Boros, Beats, Battlestar Galactica

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:21 pm

I'm in love with the CoCo

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:38 am

Maybe we can spam Thalia and Thalia's new Pegasus?

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:53 am

With Humble Defector / Flickerwisp, you have to target with FW then tap to draw in response, right?

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:19 am

No, just tap and donate, then Flickerwisp it.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:21 am

Changing controller won't affect the resolution of Flickerwisp's ability, so do it however you like. I usually wait until after the effect has resolved to see what I've drawn.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:22 am

If you were to tap after Flickerwisp came in, it would change ownership before Flickerwisp's ability resolves, but it would still work.

Where this actually matters is with Village Bell-Ringer or Restoration Angel. The proper way to do it is activate Defector, hold priority, cast Bell-Ringer or Restoration Angel and put the ability on the stack. With Bell-Ringer you can untap then activate Defector again. With Resto Angel you flicker the Defector before the ability resolves so you don't have to donate it.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:07 am

What's the most current version of the deck?

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:29 am

The deck I most recently posted.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:32 am

We aren't brewing secret versions outside the thread

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:55 am

Confirmed. Deck is amazing.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:59 am

I wish I had time to play in the Modern Festival, I'd be repping BBBSG fo sho.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:12 am

Just trounced two Jund players.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:13 am

Not surprised, that deck is trash. Did they get salty about it? My Jund opponents always do.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:21 am

Second player rage quit in game two after I grinded through 15 turns in first game and won off Kiki-Jiki.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:22 am

#LoveWins

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:33 am

KWR wins a game for me.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:10 pm

Since testing my newest iteration, I have not lost a game. And I've played against legit tier 1 decks doing it.

2-0 vs Jund
2-0 vs Jund
2-0 vs Mardu aggro (not tier 1

)
2-0 vs Merfolk
2-0 vs Soul Sisters

The Merfolk match included such highlights as my opponent trying to screw me off red only to be introduced to Flickerwisp. Jund match included me grinding him out with value until turn 15 when I was able to outlive a 13/13 Ooze and combo off with Kiki. Soul Sisters just stands no chance against this deck either.

I'd really like to test against Grixis again as in previous testing I felt that matchup was unfavorable. Thalia should help immensly. Also considering playing around more with the green splash for cards like Huntmaster of the Fells.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:49 pm

I got to play a match against Grixis, but despite having 26 creatures, only drew a Thalia and a Flickerwisp, followed by a bunch of land. Hardly definitive testing

I threw in a Knight of the Reliquary for spice, but haven't drawn it yet. The Huntmaster was the hotness though.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:52 pm

Here was my test list, for reference -

[deck]BBBSG Naya Remix[/deck]

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:55 pm

I can't play any more before downtime, but I'd like to see how the deck lines up against Affinity. If it's too top-heavy, I'll carve off a Finks, the 4th Thalia, a land and perhaps the Hero of Bladehold for 3/4 Forked Bolt.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:20 pm

I've settled on Forked Bolt being a necessity at this point. Also, in my experience I want to max out on Wall of Omens before Humble Defector. I'm actually considering going down to three Defectors and shoving in a third Finks or a Huntmaster.

How has 2 vs 3 Kiki worked out for you? Did you test 3 and go down to 2? I've found many games where I've been glad to have 3 Kiki but there are other matchups where I cut one (aggro, blue decks, attrition decks).

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:58 pm

WoO is more reliable than Defector, though far less aggressive, so I tend to favor the bear with upside over the wall cantrip. It's just preference, I'll likely settle on a 3/3 split. I just hate drawing a Wall of Omens off of my Wall of Omens

I like 2 Kiki because I often sandbag him until the late game. When I run 3 he's often dead in my hand most of the game.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:09 pm

I do not love the green splash.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:24 pm

Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion is an acceptable KWR substitute. Might even be better than KWR.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:29 pm

I'm partial to Slayers' Stronghold.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:43 pm

The green splash is nice for Huntmaster, at the very least. That card is the definition of good value.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:02 pm

I'm partial to Slayers' Stronghold.

Sunhome is better because your dude can survive combat more easily. It also does more damage with the three-power creatures in the deck.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:04 pm

Stronghold does allow Wall of Omens to block and kill x/2s though. And it's better with Thalia. And it's better if you want to attack AND defend. Both have different upsides. I just think the deck is defensive enough as is and err toward more aggressive options to even it out.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:16 pm

Played the deck a little this afternoon and feels amazing.

What about an all creatures build to abuse Thalia / Thalia's Pegasus?

A rough sketch (pegasus is a place holder for new thalia pegasus):

http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/84354

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:20 pm

I built an all-creature version but didn't get to test it.

[deck]BBBSG All the Mans[/deck]

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:25 pm

I've found Goyf, Tasigur, Primetime, and Gurmag Angler to be too hard to play against without Path. Also I feel like you'd just lose to Twin.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:27 pm

Also it's sweet to have people here testing and tweaking. I've been playing this for a year all alone

I'd drop Mogg Fanatic for PtE, but LD suggested it so I posted it.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:30 pm

Also it's sweet to have people here testing and tweaking. I've been playing this for a year all alone

I do a lot of janky brewing in my head and was thinking of the best way to abuse Humble Defector. I was reminded of this thread and basically merged your archetype with my ideas and viola! Bastardized BBBSG. Jank level: 11. Salt level: infinite.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:31 pm

What can I say? I'm a Johnny Spike at heart.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:33 pm

As you should be! The more style points you can get while winning, the better.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:37 pm

With Thalia + Pegasus Path costs 3

I think the strategy is kind of all in, but Path may be a becessary evil.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:40 pm

I like Grand Abolisher as Twin protection, and it also protects the combo and tricks on my turn.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:54 pm

I don't hate it.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:06 pm

Try it, you'll like it.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:08 pm

Why did people move away from Village Bell-ringer? It was sweet when I played it.

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