[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:23 am

SCG Premium expired. Anyone mind PMing me chapin's article on the 5-color dragon deck from today?

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:43 am

whenever i have a hunter quest i know that i can turn my brain off and quickly rank up.
my opponent gained 20 life and i just went face and won on turn 7 without consideration for his creatures barring one acolyte of pain that got eaglehorned down.

Jamie · Postby **Jamie** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:02 am

The only way to fix dr boom is to make it a 6/7. That's a justifiable nerf.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:12 am

SCG Premium expired. Anyone mind PMing me chapin's article on the 5-color dragon deck from today?

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Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:24 am

Sent.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:56 am

Thanks everyone.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:08 am

I owed you. Sounds like I wasn't first though lol.

Pedrobear · Postby **Pedrobear** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:20 am

I need to choose a deck to play on GP Paris (Standard) but I feel any Red decks is badly positioned currently. Apart from RDW which I do not really want to play.
Any idea ?

RedNihilist · Postby **RedNihilist** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:29 am

Actually, Atarka Red is well positioned against Esper Dragons, while not autodying to Abzan Control and Abzan Megamorphs.
Did I get the matchups incorrectly?

jsilv · Postby **jsilv** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:35 am

Actually, Atarka Red is well positioned against Esper Dragons, while not autodying to Abzan Control and Abzan Megamorphs.
Did I get the matchups incorrectly?

I would say none of those are favorable for red, which kind of kills a lot of reason to play it. The g2/3 of Esper vs. Red is pretty favorable for the Esper player if they have Drown and quad Foul-Tongue to recover life.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:45 am

I think the red players is slightly better then a coinflip in a 3-game set assuming you win game 1.

I think now that the format has a 'real' metagame, you're rewarded greatly for figuring out the format and brewing something.

Notes:

Esper, Ojutai Bant, Abzan Aggro, Abzan Morphs, and Red Aggro are the top tier of the meta with esper being the best deck by far.

Places I'd start brewing include:

Jeskai with a bunch of jeskai charms

Mardu with rabblemaster, butcher, and mardu charm

Green agro with black removal and thoughtsieze

Something that beats EVERYTHING, but esper dragons.

RedNihilist · Postby **RedNihilist** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:24 am

Actually, Atarka Red is well positioned against Esper Dragons, while not autodying to Abzan Control and Abzan Megamorphs.
Did I get the matchups incorrectly?
I would say none of those are favorable for red, which kind of kills a lot of reason to play it. The g2/3 of Esper vs. Red is pretty favorable for the Esper player if they have Drown and quad Foul-Tongue to recover life.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but with Esper Dragons I'm never too happy to face Atarka Red.
I'm pretty sure I'll win every game I start with Drown, Tongue, Ojutai and four lands, but things get messy pretty quickly if something goes wrong (i.e.: Tongue with no dragons, mana screw etc).

I don't consider having a favorable G1 while not being auto-dead on G2 and G3 a bad place to be, but I guess that better players stumble less than me.

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:19 pm

ya blew it

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:35 pm

Pretend you're about to buy both.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:35 pm

Then end up playing Atarka Red instead. It's the FoS way.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:50 pm

Should I pretend I'm eventually going to buy Abzan Megamorph or pretend I'm eventually going to buy Bant Megamorph?

just get all the good cards for a given format and then you can build everything anytime you want

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:50 pm

The only way to fix dr boom is to make it a 6/7. That's a justifiable nerf.

no, then boom would dodge BGH. giving him 6 power would probably make him even better.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:08 pm

i've found buying singles of just the cards you want is cheaper than buying complete sets (albeit paying "more" because you miss out on all of the extra stuff that goes in the "potentially playable" pile), which is what i do for sets that aren't dense enough to go all-in on with buying cases, etc.
getting complete playsets of the commons/uncommons and then the rares you want is probably the most cost effective way to "have it all," assuming you can pick up most of the chase cards before they shoot up in value. but also you may know what you want to play /with before anything definitive happens w/ card values (IE you want to play a deck with Dragon Whisperer and you'll play the best Dragon Whisperer deck when the format settles, assuming one exists), and that's usually a pretty good way to make sure you have all your ducks in a row when tournaments actually start happening.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:47 pm

how does redemption cost of set + getting the cards on MTGO factor vs. buying sets online preorder/etc?
i've never one-to-oned it, but you have that information in front of you.

i usually spend ~$3-400 per release after all is said and done and i've picked up any pieces i'd thought would go down but remained stable/didn't (monastery mentor and ugin from recent memory are examples -- i didn't think ugin would be as important after karn was mostly ignored in standard and i just didn't think people would sandbag the price of mentor). those are usually mythic, though, since they're subject to the largest price swings.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:47 pm

you could also just play netrunner and have to deal with none of that

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:52 pm

i've been happy with the playset of commons/uncommons and cherry pick rares/mythics approach. has kept me pretty fluid in the format for a couple years and since I'm in law school now and not pulling down my old salary it's also noticeably easier on the wallet.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:16 pm

To be fair, you're going off of CFB instead of a competitive market. (it should be at least $20 for the sets of above, shipped, off TCG) W/ shipping, you're paying $300 for the set -- with $200 extra dollars, you can easily get Whisperwood Elemental, Tasigur, Ugin, Crux, Valorous Stance, Wild Slash, Outpost Siege, Silugmar, Mastery of the Unseen, Flamewake Phoenix, Mardu Strike Leader, Shamanic Revelation, some Monk tokens, and whatever other commons/uncommons you didn't see with a few bucks left over (but no room to sell off the essentially bulk mythics from your complete set 4x).

It's a matter of convenience, I guess. You can avoid being bogged down with a bunch of extra crap and get just what you need, not have to wait for Wizard's shipping, and save a negligible amount of money buying singles, or try to use the extra cards and pay a few bucks to gain value in excess of the few extra bucks.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:44 pm

Cards are generally pretty cheap relatively speaking aside from a few standout Mythics and the occasional Tasigur (which isn't even that pricey now) due specifically to the "unsolved constantly shifting" meta we were talking about a few pages ago, and similarly why Ojutai is like a million dollars (it is the standout card of the clear best deck). When everything is sort of this gray sludge in terms to standing at the top of the meta, nothing is, so value flattens out except where cards have eternal application, are mythic and standout, or subvert that sludge comparison.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:45 pm

You have cards like Crackling Doom and Crux of fate, that would be $5-10 cards in most other metas, that are circling the drain in terms of pricing because who even has the time everyone's all about Ojutai.

Jamie · Postby **Jamie** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:02 pm

The only way to fix dr boom is to make it a 6/7. That's a justifiable nerf.
no, then boom would dodge BGH. giving him 6 power would probably make him even better.

joke

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:54 am

Standard Super League on now. Wrapter on Esper Mentor.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:03 am

Yeah, it's not nearly as interesting as Vintage unfortunately.

TBuzzsaw · Postby **TBuzzsaw** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:23 am

[deck]Creatures
4 Siege Rhino
4 Anafenza, the Foremost
4 Deathmist Raptor
4 Den Protector
4 Fleecemane Lion

Spells
1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
3 Dromoka's Command
3 Abzan Charm
4 Hero's Downfall
4 Thoughtseize

Lands
2 Caves of Koilos
3 Forest
3 Llanowar Wastes
1 Plains
4 Sandsteppe Citadel
3 Temple of Malady
3 Temple of Silence
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Windswept Heath[/deck]

Debating if the more aggressive approach is worth it, or the one putting up results with Courser in place of Anafenza with more removals in the main. Thoughts?

Self Medicated · Postby **Self Medicated** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:35 am

Happy birthday Jerry!!!!

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Christen · Postby **Christen** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:09 am

Dominion Adventures is out, and I'm waiting for the local boardgame store to have it.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:00 am

Anyone got a good Twin list for modern?

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:42 am

UR or Tarmo? Do you like more tempo or more control? Do you play much Modern? How big is the event/how good the expected players?

This is a pretty stock list that an acquaintance used to top8 the Providence SCG $5k:

[deck]
Creatures (13)
4 Deceiver Exarch
2 Grim Lavamancer
2 Pestermite
4 Snapcaster Mage
1 Vendilion Clique

Lands (23)
5 Island
1 Mountain
1 Breeding Pool
1 Desolate Lighthouse
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Steam Vents
3 Sulfur Falls
1 Tectonic Edge

Spells (24)
4 Splinter Twin
2 Cryptic Command
1 Dispel
2 Electrolyze
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Peek
4 Remand
1 Spell Snare
1 Flame Slash
4 Serum Visions

Sideboard (15)
2 Batterskull
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Vedalken Shackles
1 Sower of Temptation
2 Blood Moon
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Dispel
1 Negate
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Keranos, God of Storms
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
[/deck]

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:43 am

happy birthday photo!

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:58 am

It's the grand cheehaw's birthday!

Jack · Postby **Jack** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:22 am

Happy birthday, Jerry

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:39 am

That's close enough to what I was looking for.

Also, happy B-Day Photo.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:40 am

It's the grand cheehaw's birthday!

Thanks Val. Gonna watch All Dogs now.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:41 am

Also, probably gonna run Abzan Aggro or...whatever heroic at PPTQ this weekend.

No idea what my abzan deck will look like as there are a lot of options that are all appealing to me in different ways.

The important thing will likely be finding something good for the mirror without playing a bunch of wingmate rocs.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:43 am

Also probably gonna go light on dromoka's command. It's efficient, but it requires you to have a board state which can be problematic, especially since I plan on playing 26 lands.

Jamie · Postby **Jamie** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:43 am

[deck]Ryan Hipps 5th place RPTQ Kansas April 25 2015[/deck]

real deal or no

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