SOA Mafia: Season One -- Day Four

[rezombad]

The fact that he wasn't doesn't mean anything. The fact that he didn't care means he's not a survivor. That's why it means he's scum.

Also, I really don't appreciate you responding to something I had directed at red. Ive posted a few things that you could reply to.

[Stardust]

Rezombad posted a lot.
Rezombad claimed cop.
Naturally he would be night killed.
Rezombad didn't care.

[Stardust]

The fact that he wasn't doesn't mean anything. The fact that he didn't care means he's not a survivor. That's why it means he's scum.

Also, I really don't appreciate you responding to something I had directed at red. Ive posted a few things that you could reply to.

I don't really have much to comment on other than the fact that you seem to be going on... not much. You rundown all of Red's posts and apply scum motivation to a few of them. While that's possible, it's not really convincing by themselves. You ask him a question about your own post that you don't understand yourself, then accuse him of strawmanning when that definitely doesn't apply.

All in all, I'm happy to watch you guys go back and forth a bit since I'm definitely not as sure as I'd like to be. I only stepped in because you were clearly misunderstanding what Red meant. He's basically just echoing the same concerns I brought up earlier: that your Day 3 didn't look like a Survivor at all.

[hamfactorial]

There's a lot of text today, and I'm reading it with interest. There may be more, but it doesn't look like anyone has any last minute information to pull out. Waiting any longer will likely just make my characteristic waffling worse.

I think Stardust is town, and it looks like rez and Red both agree. If he's fooling all three of us, well played.

I think the last scum is between Red and rez, and I think rez is the more likely candidate based on his D3 play not jiving with a Survivor claim.

vote rez

[rezombad]

I have more to add. But I actually got a day off so I'm spending it with family.

I should be free tonight, where I will do a full game rear on red.

Dusty: it really bothers me that you keep defending red instead of letting him answer so I can get a solid stance from him on something, which he has been consistently lacking on throughout the game.

[Stardust]

I'm not defending him, I was clarifying the same point that I've been trying to make the last few days, but that you continue to give unsatisfactory answers for.

Where else did I defend Red?

[RedNihilist]

I don't know the mafia wincon.

So you're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong:

Rezombad posted a lot.
Rezombad claimed cop.
Naturally he would be night killed.
The fact that he wasn't means that he is scum.

Holy wine in front of me, batman.

Rezombad posted a lot, "hunting for scum", without it being useful for his win condition.
Rezombad actually made a very aggressive case against Stardust, making a lot of noise and going under everyone's radar for no expected value at all, because if neutral rezombad had actually caught scum, he would have negated himself the chance of winning on the spot.
His plan go wrong because rather than supporting him, people turn their heads towards WitchHunt.
Rezombad claims cop, practically asking for a nightkill from the remaining scum, and even jokes about the fact he's going to die overnight.

You're not town - you CLAIMED not being town - and you're not even the Neutral Survivor you claimed to be, so you're scum.
This is not called WIFOM, I think this is called "logic", Aquaman.

[Stardust]

I'll probably hammer in a couple days since "Aquaman" has requested more time. If he's able to display a solid scum motivation in Red and is able to explain his actions Day 3 in the context of his Survivor claim, I would consider changing my vote.

[rezombad]

I'm not defending him, I was clarifying the same point that I've been trying to make the last few days, but that you continue to give unsatisfactory answers for.

Where else did I defend Red?

I had a plan.
A scum hunting technique that I found while playing on sally in.. I want to say.. Celestial mafia. In which I caught prophylaxis a similar way. Needless to say I didn't push it hard enough and was the lynch for either that day or the next.

[rezombad]

I don't know the mafia wincon.

So you're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong:

Rezombad posted a lot.
Rezombad claimed cop.
Naturally he would be night killed.
The fact that he wasn't means that he is scum.

Holy wine in front of me, batman.

Rezombad posted a lot, "hunting for scum", without it being useful for his win condition.
Rezombad actually made a very aggressive case against Stardust, making a lot of noise and going under everyone's radar for no expected value at all, because if neutral rezombad had actually caught scum, he would have negated himself the chance of winning on the spot.
His plan go wrong because rather than supporting him, people turn their heads towards WitchHunt.
Rezombad claims cop, practically asking for a nightkill from the remaining scum, and even jokes about the fact he's going to die overnight.

You're not town - you CLAIMED not being town - and you're not even the Neutral Survivor you claimed to be, so you're scum.
This is not called WIFOM, I think this is called "logic", Aquaman.

That is totally wifom

[rezombad]

I'll probably hammer in a couple days since "Aquaman" has requested more time. If he's able to display a solid scum motivation in Red and is able to explain his actions Day 3 in the context of his Survivor claim, I would consider changing my vote.

Yeah I'll get to that tomorrow morning, kind of tired after driving all day.

But I did have some time to think;

Witchhunt rolecops me n2. After the tiniest nudge from red d3 he immediately claims, armed with the knowledge that I am the cop and in an attempt to get me to counterclaim and communicate this information to red, includes a botched cop role.

Red then nk's the towniest person (IMO) in an attempt to create some wifom around my cop ability.

[rezombad]

Paranoia:
If witch lives and I don't get killed n3, do i kayne geet night killed and is there even a day 4? Do I live through that? Do I get killed n3? Or do I kill scum and guarantee a day4 and maybe get night killed?

My wincon is that I win when an faction achieves their wincon, I don't know their wincons.

'If witch lives and I don't get killed night 3, is there even a day 4? Do I live through that? Or do I guarantee another day, get rid of a scum and.....

Oh holy shit





red, claim your wincon.
Straight up fucking quote it.

[rezombad]

Game solved

[rezombad]

I'm still gonna post things but I'm pretty sure the town wincon hasn't been revealed.

So either:
He claims a town wincon and gets modkilled, you lynch me.
He claims a town wincon and doesn't get modkilled, because imopen grants him a pardon of sorts. He either guessed it correctly or is town. (This one is wifom and puts us right back here, no loss to anyone)
He won't claim, we immediately lynch him, town and I both win.



Also dusty, if you end up hammering me for some reason and don't let this play out im going to both ridicule and deathtunnel you in every game we play together forever.

And also troll your storyboard forum if you ever get one.

[rezombad]

I forgot that if he guesses right and isn't modkilled and imopen reacts like he did with witchhunt's claim, we also lynch him with great prejudice.

[rezombad]

Doesn't actually need to be limited to the wincon, just claim the entire role

[rezombad]

Bedtime

[Stardust]

No, we are not intentionally modkilling here. Doing so is against the spirit of the game and, in imopen's place, would cause me to declare the victory of whatever faction the offender wasn't. I'm all for Red talking about his win condition, but he is not going to attempt to get modkilled.

[rezombad]

Fine. Ruiner of things game breaking and unfun.

Can we establish now that this is not meant to clear him as town though?

[hamfactorial]

Ah, well the win-con discussion is interesting at least.

My role PM says that I win when all X to Y are Z.

If Red can tell me the three words X, Y and Z, he's totes town.

[rezombad]

Facepalm

[rezombad]

@imopen: Does witchhunts rolecop also reveal the win condition of the copped player?

[imopen2]

No it does not

[rezombad]

Thank you

[RedNihilist]

Ah, well the win-con discussion is interesting at least.

My role PM says that I win when all X to Y are Z.

If Red can tell me the three words X, Y and Z, he's totes town.

Nice, so I can avoid quoting the official PM.
X = threats
Y = SAMCRO
Z = eliminated

[Stardust]

Well that's interesting. Did you paraphrase those words at all, Red?

[RedNihilist]

No o_o

[Stardust]

Well mine says Charming, so...

ham, can you confirm? Given that I'm not technically part of SAMCRO, maybe I have a different wincon.

[rezombad]

[rezombad]

unvote: no lynch

[hamfactorial]

unvote

[hamfactorial]

Mine says Charming.

[rezombad]

How about that...

[Stardust]

So... I guess that's that? Anything else to say, Red?

[RedNihilist]

Well, mine actually said 'to your life' but at this point I had to gamble

Unvote
Vote no lynch

[rezombad]

That was like pulling teeth...

[rezombad]

That being this day

[Stardust]

And this, dear friends, is why sample vanilla role PM's are a good idea. You played a fantastic game, Red.

Vote RedNihilist.

[RedNihilist]

Come on, show some sportmanship and let me live.

[hamfactorial]

Vote Red

Man, I didn't expect that finish.