[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[Tyrael]

Merry christmas guys

enjoy the pleasure of obligatory gift giving

[Jack]

Merry Christmas bros

[Khaospawn]

Fuck yo couch, niggas!

[Valdarith]

Merry Christmas everyone!

My awesome wife got me this sweet case for Christmas...



...but the BIG surprise was inside!

[BlakLanner]

You finally have proper Bolts. Very nice indeed.

[Mcdonalds]

I thought the Emrakul squirrel comic was funny.

Emrakul flies, the joke makes no sense in its own universe

That's the joke

[Lightning_Dolt]

Merry Christmas everyone!

My awesome wife got me this sweet case for Christmas...



...but the BIG surprise was inside!

best wife ever.

[Blackhound]

Thoughts on Ugin, The spirit Dragon.

[GoblinWarchief]

+2 = lightning bolt already makes me love it. but the nuts is -x ability. probably he is better than karn

[Jack]

No

[Jack]

You can't cast Ugin off of Tron alone.

[Jack]

I do think he will be very good in standard, though.

[Valdarith]

I think it's more likely to see play in non-rotating formats than in Standard. As long as Utter End and Hero's Downfall are seeing play I don't see it making a significant impact.

[Jack]

Good point. Maybe he'll make a splash in standard after rotation. A lot of these types of cards do.

[GoblinWarchief]

you can't cast it off of tron alone... so what ? karn comes down and removes a permanent, ugin comes down and removes all nonland permanents your opponent controls.
Ugin is another oblivion stone effect that doubles as win condition. I don't think the 1 more mana can make karn better than him. Yes, Karn is slightly better against combo due to discard, but that's it.

[Valdarith]

Ugin + Painter's Servant.

Think about it.

[Jack]

Worldslayer

[Kaitscralt]

I thought the Emrakul squirrel comic was funny.

Emrakul flies, the joke makes no sense in its own universe

That's the joke

you god damned dunce of a man

[zemanjaski]

you can't cast it off of tron alone... so what ? karn comes down and removes a permanent, ugin comes down and removes all nonland permanents your opponent controls.
Ugin is another oblivion stone effect that doubles as win condition. I don't think the 1 more mana can make karn better than him. Yes, Karn is slightly better against combo due to discard, but that's it.

You just don't get it. Its Karn plus 3 land vs. Ugin plus 4 land; thats an enormous difference in consistency and how games sequence.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I'm going to play the shit out of it in edh.

[GoblinWarchief]

I get that there are games where casting a turn 3 karn can be crucial, or games where you need two untapped lands to cast karn + counter or any other situation that make costing 7 rather than 8 relevant , but i think ugin's power level is so much better than karn's one that ugin must be played in tron. I don't know if he should completely replace karn or if a split is better, and for sure i leave the decision to more competent players than me, but i am confident that he will see play.

[Khaospawn]

I don't consider Tron players to be real people.

[RedNihilist]

I get that there are games where casting a turn 3 karn can be crucial, or games where you need two untapped lands to cast karn + counter or any other situation that make costing 7 rather than 8 relevant , but i think ugin's power level is so much better than karn's one that ugin must be played in tron. I don't know if he should completely replace karn or if a split is better, and for sure i leave the decision to more competent players than me, but i am confident that he will see play.

Any Tron deck that plays counters is not worth mentioning.
RG Tron is the only proper Tron deck.

[Jack]

It's also not even relevant in the meta right now, and Ugin won't change that. Its delver matchup is atrocious, and the only reason it was a popular deck before was because it completely shellacked the (now dead) Jund midrange decks. Still, even before Khans release, I'd put gifts tron>blue tron>rg tron.

[rcwraspy]

I imagine people will try to cast it off Nykthos in Standard Green Devotion for a while. Gives mono green some tools it doesn't otherwise have.

[rcwraspy]

I think it's more likely to see play in non-rotating formats than in Standard. As long as Utter End and Hero's Downfall are seeing play I don't see it making a significant impact.

meh. If that were the case then we wouldn't really see any PWers being played. As it stands, Elspeth, Sorin, Sarkhan, Nissa, and Ashiok are all seeing varying degrees of play. Even if Ugin is immediately met with an Utter End or Hero's Downfall, you still get 1 activation. 8 mana is expensive, but to wipe an entire board with the -X ability is worth it in a non-0 number of scenarios. I could also see him paired well with Thoughtseize and/or counterspells in Standard.

[RedNihilist]

It's also not even relevant in the meta right now, and Ugin won't change that. Its delver matchup is atrocious, and the only reason it was a popular deck before was because it completely shellacked the (now dead) Jund midrange decks. Still, even before Khans release, I'd put gifts tron>blue tron>rg tron.

RG Tron has bad matchups against Twin, Storm and other "quick combo" decks, but I've found it good against UWR, Junk, Junk, every Pod variant, every other Tron variant and creature-based aggro decks.
At the moment it's not a good deck to play because Treasure Burn can beat a turn 3 Wurmcoil Engine and Delver is quick as hell as well, but I guess I'd rather play that instead of those durdly Ux Tron variants.

[Kaitscralt]

who cares about tron? tron is one of the lowest tiered decks in modern.

[hamfactorial]

[LP, of the Fires]

Tron is what you play when everyone jumps on the pod bandwagon and needs punishing.

[Kaitscralt]

or when you're an fos budgerboy

[TBuzzsaw]

I played my friend's RG Tron deck once. I got paired up against three burn decks in a row.

[Kaitscralt]

budg

[hamfactorial]

caj

[Platypus]

Random Cyanide and Happiness comics generator:

http://explosm.net/rcg

[Jamie]

Chandra does work in the matchups you need it but yeah its awkward

[zemanjaski]

http://www.reddit.com/r/spikes/comments ... episode_3/

Got interviewed by r/Spikes.

[Kaitscralt]

qualified for a ptq by 4-1'ing a sealed ptqq

[Kaitscralt]

now drafting urzas block with all my cube prize packs

[zemanjaski]

qualified for a ptq by 4-1'ing a sealed ptqq

Gas!

When is the PTQ?