[Primer] Boros Burn

[Elricity]

Let me know how Flamespeaker tests for you all.

I only haven't tried it on Modo because I haven't built up the tickets. That said, it tends to line up poorly vs Carytid and Jace so I wouldn't consider it vs monsters and it's potentially tricky against control although it's entirely possible I was playing it incorrectly.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I don't get Flamespeaker, but I'm willing to try it.

[Elricity]

I don't get Flamespeaker, but I'm willing to try it.

When I was trying it, I was using it as something to mess with aggro and mono blue. The argument last time is we didn't really need help in those matchups so it was a waste. There was also some comment about it being walled but I couldn't hear it very well over the sound of me beating my head against a wall.

Against control, it's draw 2 but only if you can keep Jace off the table. I wasn't super happy with it in that matchup but I'm notoriously awful playing against control so YMMV.

It's bad vs monsters but I believe that was already stated.

I didn't get a chance to test it on burn. I would be ok slamming it down turn 3 and making them deal with it but late game it would
probably be hard to cast. I'm not worried about tapping out on my turn if the cards are free.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I actually don't hate the 1x Mizzium Mortars.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Except when you draw it + 3 chains against control.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Not a fan of Wear // Tear right now. I think Glare of Heresy is generally better for me. Tear can hit Courser, but Glare can hit Elspeth and Fiendslayer Paladin.

[cloudscraper]

Zem pointed at it in a recent comment... isn't Flamespeaker just a better "topdeck-it-when-i'm-out-of-gas" kind of card, even easier to cast than Brimaz? He seems good if both players' resources have been drained, but I can't test em cause, well, i don't own any *sadface*

[Kaitscralt]

you don't have to play either

[Elricity]

you don't have to play either

Hater.

Although I am having a Great Revel moment over here. At least MDU is sticking to his position.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Boros Reckoner is still terrible.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Haven't found a matchup where I really like Flamespeaker yet... Not great VS control or aggro.

[BrainsickHater]

I've been thinking about Flamespeaker against Monoblack, and I think the question is, when we board in Speaker+Chandra, is our deck threat-dense enough to overload Monoblack's removal suite in post-boarded games?

I don't know how Bx decks sideboard so I don't know how much removal they'll have in their deck on average. Our deck will have 9 targets post-board if we run 2x Chandra and 3x Flamespeaker, so if someone who does know how Bx decks sideboard has any idea how much spot removal they would have post-board, that would be some really helpful information.

[BrainsickHater]

Except when you draw it + 3 chains against control.

The way I'm thinking about it, is it actually that much worse than drawing 2 chains 2 searing blood?

I know that searing blood is still much better than mortars and chains in the matchup, but there will still be a lot of games when SB is just as dead as a removal spell, and the tradeoff is much better removal against the decks you want it against.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Yes.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Searing blood is still damage when they activate mutavault or Elspeth.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Flamespeaker is ok vs aggro, but feels like win more.

[Elricity]

Flamespeaker is ok vs aggro, but feels like win more.

You feel that if you're losing, this card doesn't turn it around? When I played it against aggro, it caused the game to stabilize instantly if they didn't immediately remove it.

Have you tried it against blue devotion yet?

[Lightning_Dolt]

Haven't hit a mono u yet.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I know dies to removal is a bad argument, but yeah, dies to removal.

[Lightning_Dolt]

After a few hours of testing:

[deck]Lands (23)
8 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
2 Boros Guildgate
1 Mana Confluence

Creatures (8)
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Young Pyromancer

Spells (29)
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Warleader's Helix
2 Searing Blood
3 Chained to the Rocks

Sideboard 15
3 Keening Apparition
4 Toil // Trouble
3 Mizzium Mortars
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Glare of Heresy[/deck]

[Lightning_Dolt]

Still not 100% on Keening Apparition.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I think I might give Spark Trooper another go.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Think this guy lurks?:

http://mtgo-stats.com/decks/110598

[BrainsickHater]

I think he reads r/spikes

[Elricity]

Yeah, that's the build that spikes was bouncing around a few days ago.

[zemanjaski]

Are there any cards you do like Keith?

[Longtoe]

I 3-1ed the daily today with the shouta list. I liked it somewhat. I feel that flamespeaker is okay. I am just not sure how to use him well. The reckoners seemed borderline. I missed mizzium mortars badly. Lost to blood baron x 2 against baleful playing junk constellation. I am still on board with YP maindeck over eidolon though. I could see myself ditching a reprisal in favor of another mizzium mortar.

[BrainsickHater]

I'm really interested in more details in flamespeaker.

- How did you use him?
- What matchups did you bring him in against?
- Did you feel he was weak in any of the matchups you brought him in?
- Are there any matchups you didn't board him in and you think you should have?

There is no obligation to submit to this interrogation, I just really want to play this card.

[Nezeru]

2-1 8-man local event today with Yasooka list.

Round 1 2-0 MonoU Devotion. Game 1 he kept a loose hand and had no real action before I killed him.
Boarding: -4 Boros Charm -3 Skullcrack +3 Prophetic Flamespeaker +2 Banishing Light +2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Game 2 he played 2 Cloudfin Raptors, Thassa, Master of Waves, Tidebinder Mage, Master of Waves, Frostburn Weird. I Chained his 2 Masters, his Thassa and his Tidebinder. Flamespeaker was nuts (drew 4 cards in two combat steps) and he had to tap it down with Tidebinder. The 1x Mortars wiped his board once, I let him get to 5 Devo to Chain the Thassa, and he had to use Thassa to get rid of Chandra. Overall the post-sideboard game went very, very well and according to plan.

Round 2: 1-2 vs UW Control
Game 1 went as normal for this type of matchup.
Boarding: -4 Chained to the Rocks -4 Shock -1 Mizzium Mortars +3 Prophetic Flamespeaker +2 Banishing Light +2 Chandra +2 Wear//
Tear
Game 2 his Jace stonewalled my Flamespeaker, and I never drew a Skullcrack to counter his 3 Sphinx's Revelations. He had all of the answers and I had no real pressure.
Game 3 he went T2 Nyx-Fleece Ram T3 Nyx-Fleece Ram T4 Blind Obedience and Extorted himself back up to 20 life. I went Flamespeaker, used it + Helix to kill his first Ram, he Sphered it, I played a few more creatures that all got exiled, drew ten lands in a row and lost.
Overall, I liked Eidolon much more vs control than Flamespeaker, but we kind of have to board this way? That or we keep in Shocks...

Round 3 2-0 Jund Monsters
Game 1 he killed himself with an untapped Blood Crypt at 2 life on turn 7 when I was about to kill him. I love having 4 Chains maindeck and a Mortars.
Boarding: -2 Boros Charm -2 Skullcrack -4 Shock (I don't think he ran Mystics) +4 Boros Reckoner +2 Reprisal +2 Banishing Light
Game 2 was a long contest that I won because I drew 3(!!) Mutavaults and was able to put enough pressure to race him despite him
having 2 Demons, a Vraska(that killed a Chain) and 2 Mistcutter Hydras.

Mistcutter Hydra has been causing me trouble as of late.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Are there any cards you do like Keith?

I'm testing a bunch of different sideboard cards, and most of them seem rather meh. Glare of Heresy has been very good for me.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Maybe my expectations are just too high.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Still looking for some kind of edge vs UW.

[Rhyno]

Still looking for some kind of edge vs UW.

I've been frustrated lately by the UW matchup too, between Rams, Elixer, etc. ugh.

[Lightning_Dolt]

If that was it, I think wear // tear would probably be good. I'm dealing with Fiendslayer Paladins locally too.

[Elricity]

Flamespeaker is not your answer to UW.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Yeah, I tried boarding it vs control. It didn't help. Just got Azorious Charm'd and put me too far behind to catch up.

[zemanjaski]

I don't like Chandra against Mono U very much.

And keeping in all 4 Helix against UW while cutting all Shocj...I shouldn't need to explain why that's not a good idea.

[Kaitscralt]

you want to beat uw, you need to play more banishing light and bring in chandra, then do nothing else but cast burn spells eot and phoenix

[Lightning_Dolt]

Easier said than done Kait. The UW players I run into are still using Fiendslayer Paladin, they seem to be very lucky, and it's very probable that they're just better than me.

[Kaitscralt]

well no uw player should be using fiendslayer paladin so there is no advice to give you except stop playing with such niche metagamers

or don't play a deck that auto loses to fiendslayer paladins