I just read through freedom again. I'm going to break the rules and defend freedom now in hopes of shifting the tide to imopen instead.
Mostly by looking at player associations, I'd think. I can definitely see where this is a harder game, both for the town and the mafias. The mafias each have a harder victory condition, since they must get the other team killed as well as seven townies, and pretty much can't afford to lose a man, since it makes winning much harder. It is also harder for town, since the scum will be scum hunting as well and we only have 1 power role.[/quote:
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This is freedom's fourth post, early in the game. I consider the bolded a minor town slip (there are 9 townies in this game, not 7).
How is that a tell in the slightest for either alignment?
Pretty sure
this is a townie post. Scum don't tend to leave loose ends when responding to accusations (unless they don't plan on following up, which freedom did).
Incorrect. Scum can and have done so. It's called keeping promises. RL delays happen regardless of alignment. This is null at best.
freedom's case on zemanjaski is for the most part honest, logical and complete. His conviction is there. There is no twisting of Z's posts. No omission of town posts. The only thing I still find odd is that he
says he can't see the two-sided nature to Z in this game, when the beginning of his case started with him calling Z town. All in all though, this case feels like a townie wrote it.
Could still be scum A or B VS scum B or A.
Then, yeah,
the probably-fake town slip. Thing is, if you come to the conclusion that it's probably fake (I think it is), that doesn't necessarily make freedom scum based on what I said earlier. freedom, as town, wants to be considered town.
So you're proposing he faked this mistake, but is still Town? That's the most unlikely conclusion to this scenario. He's either Town and this was exactly as it seems, or he's scum trying fake being Town and making that mistake.
freedom goes on to give up. However, despite giving up, he has continued to be involved. I don't think
imopen can make the same claim (he only gets involved to defend himself), which just strengthens my scum read on him.
Again, this is a null tell. I've seen lots of people say, "Fuck this bullshit case" and continue to argue afterwards.
So, all in all freedom might be scum, but I think it's more likely that he's town. I'd give him a slightly-better-than-null 75% chance at this point. Can we lynch imopen now?
No.
Captain Murphy seems to be minimizing my read
and coming to the aid of G_R. Hmmmmmm. Manders is on to something.
How is he minimizing your read?
You took to long to respond to this. He found the silly trap card thing from Zem a misread cause I forgot about pre-game BS. This was already fleshed out.
Firstly, don't attack me for being gone. I told you guys my activity would be spotty, but I'm still here. Shit may be late, but it's not irrelevant.
Secondly, you say CM was minimizing your read of GR. Then,
in your next post, you state CM's doc hunting. Where did you get that from? The only thing I see was where imopen2 said CM's wanting to fish for the doc target. How did you read that so incorrectly?
What a poor notion to event present.
What's the poor notion?
Where did you this? I remember saying it, but can't find it. Give me the post number please.
You see, in my post (and right above the last response) where your name is blue? Click on it. It's a link.
Captain Murphy has lynched himself in my view. Still waiting for G_R to respond.
This doesn't mesh. If you're so sure about Murphy, why aren't you voting him? Why MUST GR respond before you can/will do so?
I was sure about C.P., but he is very hard to read with the shield of sarcasm. He is aggressive and plays gambits. The comment
caught a few in his web, thus I am not sure it was scum post or a well played gambit to catch scum. I just don't know. My gut responded to Iamopen2's contradiction in his rationality followed with a vote. I could not ignore that as it is serious deviation from normal character. You raise a good point about how I should be after C.P., but I prefer to go after big scum posts as Iamopen2 threw out there. Catching him in the contradiction was stronger to me as we have 2 scum teams. It is hard to catch Iamopen2 in a lie or contradiction in last game I played with him, thus I went for it when I saw it. The big reason why I am putting C.P. on the back burner is that he is very sarcastic and I find he may still be poking Stardust on the doc claim.
OMFG, dude, there was NO CONTRADICTION on imopen2's part. He's explained why this is the case several times, and you seem to be simply ignoring the logic he's shown you. Please, for the love of God, go find one of the posts he
made explaining why this wasn't a contradiction, quote it, and explain to me why his logic is flawed and it WAS a contradiction. I would love to see that.
My general Rule is that I don't bandwagons as they lynch often without evidence. I have hard/excellent evidence against Iamopen2 and am presenting my findings to group for evaluation.
PLEASE EVALUATE Iamopen2's posts: 113 and 150. Thoughts? Opinions?
You're scum with Freedom.
Why? I find my evidence was sufficient for asking for evaluation and support. Why does this read scum to you If I ask for those instead of demand them as others do? My distaste for poor rational bandwagons is known, but I noted that, presented my findings, and asked for support. Now why do you place me with Freedom? My first game with Freedom showed that
he plays devils advocate alot and poor inferences in rationality which appear scum. He rolled town when the game ended. He is another player I am putting on the back burner for now as Iamopen2 is a stronger scum than C.P. or freedom at the moment. Please give me a well thought out post as to why I am scum, because I am solid town.
Oh, I don't think you're scum for having evidence against CM. I started the damn wagon on him. I think you are scum because you're playing like scum. A case on you won't benefit anyone but you Today, though, so that's not happening.
I think everyone has to decide between imopen and freedom who should be the day one lynch and whoever gets more votes is lynched, simple as that. Any other wagon while these two wagons are happening isn't helping the town, its
just drawing out the day.
I support a lynch on either Freedom, Wraith223, or zemanjaski, in that order.
Unvote Vote: Freedom
Why am I scum to you(still no reason given)? Why is freedom the better choice? Why is Zem third?
Because I said so. It's my list.
Why are you so worried about me thinking you're scum?
At this point, you have only given association calls (scum buddy), odd commentary (see responses to Stardust), conversation starters with DroppinSuga, and requests for more content from others. You NEED to post more and give reasoned reads on your scum picks as well.
Don't tell me what I NEED to do. I NEED to play the fucking game, which I'm doing.
Lastly, Why did you tell DroppinSuge this: "Because more discussion could help scum, duh. Why keep talking if everything's decided?" It goes against your commentary and vote movement.
DroppinSuga was responding to the Iamopen2 votes, not freedom. That statement from you was admission that you might agree with Iamopen2 as being scum. Very strange.
1) I told him that because it's true.
2) I didn't say I look forward to his contributions before this Day ended, did I?
3) At the time his post was made that I responded to, it seemed pretty clear imopen2 was the lynch target, and he agreed and had voted him, but then decided not to because we needed more discussion.
Let me show you something.
THIS IS FOR EVERYONE WHO AGREES THAT MORE DISCUSSION IS ALWAYS NEEDED.
Kaizers Mafia
The guys found scum off his first post around post 10 or so. (indomitablebug is the scum in question.) We lynched him very quickly, caught scum, and eventually won the game. It is NOT always better to have discussion. The scum
learned nothing about the Town D1, and it absolutely helped the Town.
Post your case now since a few of us agree that Zem is scum
Terrible idea.
Well, my guess would be that if Dusty wasn't the doctor, the real doctor would have counter claimed him already.
That would be stupid. I feel like you know that. I feel like you made this post to try to convince anyone who is the doc and is unsure whether they SHOULD do so at this point that they should.
Mainly just because that's SUCH a stupid idea and you should know how stupid that would be.
Because if I post my case at this moment, it's just going to draw focus away from you, who should stay our target for today. Hence why I'm going to case Z tomorrow.
It also gives you the ability to tailor your case to whether I flip town or scum (I'm flipping town but if you are scum you know that already). I'd rather you get your stance out there with as little info as possible so you can't backtrack.
MINDSET TELL!!
There's two scum teams. imopen2 forgot about that because he's Town and, really, there's just one scum to all. There's 4 scum we have to kill, we don't care what team they're on, we have to kill them.
More and more sure he's Town, guys.
It also gives you the ability to tailor your case to whether I flip town or scum (I'm flipping town but if you are scum you know that already). I'd rather you get your stance out there with as little info as possible so you can't backtrack.
Ack more townslips (see bolded). This game is hard.
Unvote. Need a minute.
So far I am not impressed.
" players like that are generally only uncovered with other flipped players they associated with or had votes/unvotes on. 
Thought we were looking for scum slips? I can see the reverse being useful, but looking for town in a player that is being evaluated can lead you astray. Just agreeing with Stardust to make yourself look town or the top player is noticeable. Iamopen2 is an excellent scum player. DON'T TRUST THE HOLY DEER!
