Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)

[Mogadishu Jones]

Well it excellent I don't care what you think then. I don't have to read all the crap that is undoubtably in this thread to develop reads, most of my reads com from being in the fray.

Next!

[zemanjaski]

The major point of contention right now is whether or not it was scummy for me to push for a test lynch of rcwraspy's "unynchable" claim. He's confirmed unlunchable now, so 99% Town.

Stardust is the only play alleging its scummy, for reasons we're still waiting on.

The move was discussed yesterDay and agreed to between many of the players, with most contributing to the test lynch toDay.

The argument for the test is that, with raspy supposedly being unlunchable yesterDay, we needed to test today to verify whether he was Town or 1 time unlynchable scum. I argued then and contend now that confirmed Town helps Town. We're waiting to hear from Stardyst how it doesn't.

It's also worth considering that imopen2 claims to have transferred the NK from raspy to rezombad. I don't know what to make if that claim. Wraith questioned why scum wouldn't have NK'd Stardust, the most experienced member of Town.

nIt'll be worth your time to re-read the interactions toDay between Stardust and I, we've been the most vocal contributors thus far. Of note also were a few weird scum slips from Freedom yesterDay and Ham's continual refusal to contribute in a meaningful way; lots of posts to look active but do nothing.

I still want to go back and look at Pie's wagon, when I get back from holiday (I sympathise with not wanting to read 17 pages).

[( G_R )]

Hi kpaca. Here's a summary:

- Walls and walls of text.
- rezombad used a day shot to kill the first incarnation of zemanjaski.
- rcwraspy got enough votes for a lynch and then claimed unlynchable miller.
- InvisiblePi got lynched after practically rage quitting the game, among other things because he didn't like that a dead player replaced back in (zemanjaski).
- rezombad got nightkilled but we didn't get a flip.
- imopen2 claimed that he's a bus driver and that he switched rcwraspy with rezombad, making rcwraspy the original NK target.
- After someone brought up that rcwraspy could be one-shot unlynchable scum, his claim was put to the test by voting him 2 votes beyond lynch threshold.
- Stardust called zemanjaski's push for the above scummy and zem kinda overreacted about it and that's what they keep fighting about.
- Game seriously stalled because holidays.

[( G_R )]

Welcome to Magecraft. Would you like to be a mod?

[rcwraspy]

Just checking in guys - will try for a catch-up read tomorrow. Happy holidays all.

[DroppinSuga]

Is anyone going to play this game?

[imopen2]

Give us a deadline

[( G_R )]

This is a tacitly agreed hiatus on the game during the holidays, which for some end on Monday. By then we could lynch zemanjaski or something.

[rcwraspy]

I'm still game. I go back to work on Monday, and that's where I do most of my posting from anyway.

[DroppinSuga]

The deadline for the day is January 8, 2014 at noon EST.

[Wraith223]

Anyone have an opinion on who to vote for and why? My top picks are stardust and ham. It would suck to loose a day with out a vote.

[Stardust]

Jan 8? That gives me one day to do work in this game. Can I request Jan 10 instead?

[Wraith223]

The problem here is not time but certain folks not talking at all or just waiting for someone else to tell them what to do. Lame.

[rcwraspy]

Pretty sure the problem was holidays.

Wraith, can you recap why you'd be ok lynching either Stardust or Ham?

[Wraith223]

Pretty sure the problem was holidays.

Wraith, can you recap why you'd be ok lynching either Stardust or Ham?

past recent threads said why. Stardust knows the right answers as he should not if town, bailed out on votes to protect self, goes after zem with poor post evidence, and seems to not notice or avoid questioning with more questions.

Ham is just lurking with the caveat that he will respond if asked questions. Worthless to town?

If iamopen2 and rcwraspy are town as I find; why isn't stardust working with them to lynch possible scum? They represent a power swing vote and not working with them seems anti town to me.
There are really good liers in the mafia thread as I was shocked last game I played. Thus the end result evidence and lack of association are more important evidence. Bad posting is just support points that someone is possible scum.

[Jack]

past recent threads said why. Stardust knows the right answers as he should not if town

Care to clarify? Because this sounds scummy as hell.

Ham is just lurking with the caveat that he will respond if asked questions. Worthless to town?

Possible, but he said he was busy when this thread was active. We're already down 3 townies, so lynching based on quietness seems too risky.

[Jack]

Also, I'm curious as to why I'm not in your scum list anymore.

[Wraith223]

past recent threads said why. Stardust knows the right answers as he should not if town

Care to clarify? Because this sounds scummy as hell.

Ham is just lurking with the caveat that he will respond if asked questions. Worthless to town?

Possible, but he said he was busy when this thread was active. We're already down 3 townies, so lynching based on quietness seems too risky.

Oh shut up.

I get tired of re-typing the same shit you guys are to lazy to look up. I even numbered it in order.
You are still on my list. No one seems to give a damn about you to vote except G_R.
What I don't get is why rcwraspy and iamopen2 are not being aggressive in going after scum. It's like they don't care or even try. Maybe I am wrong. This game is all kinds of fucked up.

[Jack]

past recent threads said why. Stardust knows the right answers as he should not if town

Care to clarify? Because this sounds scummy as hell.

Ham is just lurking with the caveat that he will respond if asked questions. Worthless to town?

Possible, but he said he was busy when
this thread was active. We're already down 3 townies, so lynching based on quietness seems too risky.

Oh shut up.

Really? because to me, it looks like you just said "he knows more than he should. We should lynch him."

[Wraith223]

past recent threads said why. Stardust knows the right answers as he should not if town

Care to clarify? Because this sounds scummy as hell.

Ham is just lurking with the caveat that he will respond if asked questions. Worthless to town?

Possible, but he said he was busy when this thread was active. We're already down 3 townies, so lynching based on quietness seems too risky.

Oh shut up.

Really? because to me, it looks like you just said "he knows more than he should. We should lynch him."

I am working with real evidence of what was said and what happened in vote results/night activity. That's all I got to work with. I find stardust to be giving perfect calls and bailing on votes that prove town to protect self. It's just to obvious and I am surprised you would not notice this. Unless you are in league with stardust; give me a reason why I am wrong? I am listening.
Lastly, why do you not share concern that rcwraspy and iamopen2 are not
actively going after scum; they are now perfect targets for night kills. Why sit on their ass?

[Jack]

Oh, raspy is dead tonight. He is confirmed town, so scum can kill and the town gains nothing from it.

Our biggest concern is finding someone to lynch before the day is over. I don't think we want to end the Day with no action, since we already fucked up yesterDay so badly. What I'd really like to see is a list of reads from zem and ham.

[zemanjaski]

You've made no effort to analyse yesterday, interestingly. You're not concerned with G_R or Jobes either? That at actual zero contributions.

[zemanjaski]

Jones*

They're at*

My phone, fuck it.

[zemanjaski]

Too many posters doing nothing make it impossible for me to work.

[zemanjaski]

Town
rcwraspy - confirmed town
Wraith - have liked his questions for a long time. He's the most Town by virtue of behaviour.
Freedom - substantially improved activity and a more clear Town motivation have alleviated my concerns for now.
Imopen2 - claimed town ability; not sure if we can test this somehow
Jones - based on his replacing of DocLawless. Jones himself is useless.
Stardust - I liked Stardust as very Town yesterDay; but the questions and logic toDay didn't make any sense for Town; still waiting to hear how confirming raspy hurts Town (as scum already would know); need the other fallacies in the case against me resolved since it looks like rushed and panicked mudslinging
GR - no contributions
Hamfactorial - no contributions plus previously detailed scum behaviour
Scum

There just hasn't been enough activity for anyone to stick out as very likely scum
to me.

[( G_R )]

My main contribution was fucked up by the mod.

[( G_R )]

Tell me zem, why did you seem so upset with Stardust's pressure on you earlier? Would it upset you to be the lynch toDay?

[zemanjaski]

My main contribution was fucked up by the mod.

Can you explain?

[zemanjaski]

Tell me zem, why did you seem so upset with Stardust's pressure on you earlier? Would it upset you to be the lynch toDay?

If you had read my posts you would already know; her case is very inconsistent. Telling me that in one breath that I should listen to more experienced players and then in another that I shouldn't and need to make up my own mind (and saying that both behaviors are indicative of my being scum) is just shitty arguing. But, on account of there being no activity in this thread and with many posters (yourself included) doing very little for weeks, we're reduced to the two most active posters sniping at each other because neither of us have anything else to work with.

I'd be furious if I were lynched. I am Town and I am
actively trying to find scum. Another mislynch would cost us dearly. What sort of question is that?

[( G_R )]

My main contribution was fucked up by the mod.

Can you explain?

IDK if I should. I basically claimed my abilities.

[( G_R )]

It's my kind of question. It's not the question that matters, but how people react to it.

[zemanjaski]

The thing is G_R; your activity so far has all been of that kind - it may serve your purposes, but it doesn't help any of the newer players (which right now is about half of the player pool). You need to make the information available to us. You spoke earlier about your only tool for scum hunting being your vote; when does that start to be used?

[( G_R )]

So do we believe imopen2's claim and what can we do with it? Freedom said rcw is likely to be the NK target toNight, but if he gets switched then he could live. I moved freedom out of my sight because of an earlier very townie post, but I didn't like how he worded the last one.

Ham is the player I have zero reads from BTW.

[( G_R )]

The thing is G_R; your activity so far has all been of that kind - it may serve your purposes, but it doesn't help any of the newer players (which right now is about half of the player pool). You need to make the information available to us. You spoke earlier about your only tool for scum hunting being your vote; when does that start to be used?

I was breadcrumbing when I said that and later I came forward and used my ability in the open, but the mod was lazy and didn't post a proper post count when we last tried to lynch rcwraspy.

You're right about the new players though, and if an experienced scum already figured it out, I rather have the townies know too: I have two votes.

[( G_R )]

Wait. We have a miller. Has anyone claimed cop yet?

[zemanjaski]

I hadn't figured it out, so thanks for explaining. I can see now what you meant about bread crumbing, but that sort of thing is beyond my skillset.

No one has claimed cop, but I assume that there is one; maybe they can give us two reads toMorrow? Unless Rezombad was the cop - is that configuration possible?

My scum read on Ham comes more from his avoidance and deflection; if you look at what he has written you'll get nothing; its more of a contextual call.

[( G_R )]

There HAS to be one, otherwise there's no use for a miller. Unless it was Rezombad, they better come forward with their results right now, because that would narrow the lynch pool significantly.

We should attempt to lynch rcw first thing toMorrow as well.

[Wraith223]

There HAS to be one, otherwise there's no use for a miller. Unless it was Rezombad, they better come forward with their results right now, because that would narrow the lynch pool significantly.

We should attempt to lynch rcw first thing toMorrow as well.

Who do you want to lynch currently?

[imopen2]

I don't know what to make of stardust. I think wraith has made some good points but I always have so much trouble reading stardust that I am weary of lynching our best player...

I don't like freedom's last few posts. I think it was obvious what wraith was trying to say and he seems to be trying to twist the words around to get an easy lynch.

Ham needs to post something, anything. A read or a case. Until he does, my vote is going to be on him.

Vote: Ham

Kpaca, you replaced into the game and then said nothing except that you are vannila town. If you are town then you need to help us. There are starting to be some new posts so start contributing something.

RCW is now confirmed town, he should post some reads and help us out.

Thank you for reminding me about your double vote, GR, I had forgotten.

I'm not sure if the NK would be RCW or not...I never said how many bus driver shots
I have.

[rcwraspy]

Sorry for recent lack of content. Getting back to work after an extended holiday break, so should be able to start posting more (though light today because of work catch-up).

For right now I'll just drop my scum-reads. This isn't a full T/S list, just a quick note of people who stand out to me right now:

I've never quite bought into Freedom's towniness. I know I said that his gaffe earlier in the game (the "people tell me I should look townie" thing) was very noob-town, and that may still be right, but he's done it more than once and has had some subsequent scummy posts. I'd put him as leaning scum.

I think Stardust is null to me right now. I thought he was town, but his arguments with Zem have made him look a bit worse. Not bad enough to lean scum yet, but bad enough to put him back to null.

Zem's been posting differently. He's not as frantic. That's partially due to the anemic pace of
the game over the past few weeks, but it started before the hiatus. One key question for folks who have been at DTR for a while. Zem said that before he was killed and replaced back in he was roleplaying Kaitscralt. Does that jive? Could how he was posting (as the Doc, before he was killed) be seen as Kait RPing?

I still can't get a read on Wraith. If I take his posts entirely out of Mafia context, I get the thought process and what he's doing. But at the same time his posts get very confusing if you put them in a Mafia context. It's gotten better, but this is either due to noobiness or could be a scumtell.

I really hope that Ham posts something because at this point I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him just due to lack of activity. I don't like doing that because I know it's been a legitimately busy time for everybody, but it's out there for the taking and lurking is often a scum strategy. The bad thing is that it won't tell us much because we don't have his reads to work on after
a flip. If we can get a list at the very least before we decide how to proceed that would be helpful.

@lynching me tomorrow. Ummm, ok? What's the thought process there? Not opposed, just don't know what you hope to get from it. We've already done it twice.