Dies to Removal

Wrathberry

Loved this deck that went 7-3 in Standard at the Pro Tour and thought you guys would like it over here too. Its a sledgehammer type deck. [deck]Planeswalker (2) 2 Chandra, Pyromaster Creature (10) 4 Thunderbreak Regent 4 Stormbreath Dragon 2 Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury Sorcery (8) 3 Read the Bones 4...

Wrathberry

against which decks would you bring in mastery of the unseen? besides the obvious control matchup.

do you bring it in vs slower abzan decks too? or what else?

Wrathberry

looks awesome and seems fun, if you find enough flyers especialy at 3 and 4 mana who want this haste.

i mean naya deck with dromoka on haste?

seems legit^^

Wrathberry

bloodstained mire is around 9€. and flooded strand and delta as the two highest are at around 13€. so ~10€ is about right

Wrathberry

[deck]Creatures 4 Seeker of the Way 4 Soulfire Grandmaster 4 Goblin Rabblemaster 2 Butcher of the Horde Spells 4 Chained to the Rocks 1 Valorous Stance 1 Arc Lightning 3 Lightning Strike 4 Crackling Doom 4 Stoke the Flames Lands 4 Outpost Siege 4 Nomad Outpost 4 Temple of Triumph 2 Battlefield Forg...

Wrathberry

if the zendicar fetches get reprinted in dragons, they will drop to around 10€ a piece, like the onslaught fetches.

Wrathberry

It certainly doesn't hurt to pick them up since I'm assuming they're cheap, but we currently have no reason to suspect RB will be viable, and 3 Sarkhan's will be more than acceptable once SBD is gone. Lastly, we have an entire set based on dragons coming out next month to add more competition. well...

Wrathberry

i really wonder if he switches the mastery with teh sieges or if he then plays 4 sieges and 3 mastery of the unseen oO.
also after sideboarding his deck will look more like traditional r/w lists i guess. since he has 3 stormbreath and 2 sarkhan in sb.

Wrathberry

what do you guys think about end hostilities in sideboard vs midrange?

i mean we play sarkhan, chandra, outpost siege, which all survive end hostilites. phoenix does not really dies too.

dont you think it should be good enough as a 2-off?

Wrathberry

It there is much control, shouldn't you pak 2 mainboard sieges at least?

Wrathberry

basicly vs abzan you want to be the controldeck, since thanks to rhino and so on they have a pretty good matchup vs aggro. you want all the hard removal you can get. aka end hostilites, stance, chained if you dont have 4 already and so on.. vs abzan midrange you dont realy need your cheap burn spell...

Wrathberry

not that much expirience with the deck, but i think that its way too random and you need to take something else out of it. i dont think that its worth it^^

Wrathberry

btw: no r/w aggro made it to the top 8 of the grand prix, but many did pretty good at least what i could see. there still seem quite a few r/w lists in the run on the scg open. seems like i really need to switch to r/w instead of mardu, even if i dont like to leave my lovely butcher and crackling do...

Wrathberry

another good thing: i found exactly 2 pilgrims between my m15 bulk cards, since i didnt buy much of that set^^

Wrathberry

I wouldn't play the deck without Brimaz, but that's just my opinion.

actualy i never saw brimaz doing anything, in every single game i played vs him. i dont think the 2 brimaz are that important to be honest too.

i already liked the chained-fetcher a lot in the few games i tested now

Wrathberry

Heliod's Pilgrim. hmm is he really that good? i mean he is not a really impressive by himself, his his fetching cained to rocks so good? but when i think of it, he at least blocks tokens without dying and often you can play him, fetch the chained and use the chained on the same turn. seems like i m...

Wrathberry

seems like r/w is doing pretty well at gp sevilla. btw i have no brimaz, what would you guys play instead of him? since im not going to buy him a few month before rotation^^

Wrathberry

[deck] Creatures (16) 4 Seeker of the Way 4 Goblin Rabblemaster 2 Brimaz, King of Oreskos 2 Ashcloud Phoenix 4 Stormbreath Dragon Spells (20) 4 Chained to the Rocks 4 Lightning Strike 2 Valorous Stance 4 Hordeling Outburst 4 Stoke the Flames 2 Chandra, Pyromaster Lands (24) 4 Temple of Triumph 4 Ba...

Wrathberry

im so not sure how to play my mardu deck this gameday. anyone here who tested a build more than 3 games? :D i want to keep the good old mardu style, without those sac shinegans and so on.. but there are so many options, that i just dont get it :D btw: can anyone post a sample decklist of this r/w ag...

Wrathberry

5-0 at Modern FNM tonight. Guess I'm not allowed in FoS anymore.

with which list if i may ask?

i currently want to start playing modern, but i have no idea what deck i should build, to be competetive, which does not cost over 1000€...

besides burn^^

Wrathberry

75 I'm taking to GP: Ottawa this weekend: [deck] Creatures (14) 4 Butcher of the Horde 4 Goblin Rabblemaster 4 Seeker of the Way 2 Stormbreath Dragon Planeswalkers (5) 1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion 2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker 2 Sorin, Solemn Visitor Spells (16) 3 Chained to the Rocks 4 Crackling Doom ...

Wrathberry

Didn't lose a single game at FNM and got a SoFI for my trouble.

Erase is actually very strong.

how many erase do you play? 2 or 3?

Wrathberry

where do i find brads newest list?^^

Wrathberry

Won my forth FNM in a row. Deck is too stronk.

RDW 2-0
Abzan 2-0
Abzan 2-1
UB Control 2-0

With which list exactly?

Wrathberry

Never said that sbd is > sarkhan. I play 2 of each since 4 sarkhans is just too much :). I still haze roc. He is boring, slow, a shitty bird. Will never ever play him. Good thing we have alternatives which are not really worse :). And btw: it happens a lot that you have nothing on board vs all those...

Wrathberry

dragon always is the better choice. Your argument is compelling. Go on... i just think, that stormbreath and sarkhan are both way better in our deck than roc. he is slow, clunky and has only 3 power. also i never play creatues without haste or immediate impact after 3 mana when im playing red. that...

Wrathberry

dragon always is the better choice.

Wrathberry

and i still dont think that ashcloud is really good... without haste he is a 4/1 flyer for 4 who dies to just everything. sure you can flip him and stuff, but that costs so much mana, and does not do that much. im not a fan of him. butcher is just so much better. i dont think we should play other cr...

Wrathberry

Look at it this way. Roc is 6 power with evasion and conditional life gain for 5 mana. I'll definitely be playing it. its not. its 2 creatures, and both can be blocked and handled with seperatly. thats a huge difference. also its not even ALWAYS 2 creatures. even on a token deck there will be times...

Wrathberry

Roc needs two cards (not counting Wrath) to deal with everything it represents so it generates card advantage by itself... it may be less aggresive but it is in no way a bad card compared to SBD. It may even have more lategame power. that is where i disagree, a 3/4 flyer without vigilance or someth...

Wrathberry

i kinda think this list would be ten times better in mardu.
and why would anyone play roc over stormbreath or sarkhan... people still overestimate this card. its good in abzan, cause no alternatives... but stormbreath and sarkhan are just better..

Wrathberry

yeah he doesnt, but sometimes it forces you into stupid attacks because you need the raid. also he only is 3/4 which means he cant even kill a rhino, if you dont block with both of them. stormbreath kills them anyway since prot from white and 4 damage. one of them do not even kill butcher. means you...

Wrathberry

and i still think that roc is just way worse than stormbreath or sarkhan. i see absolutly no reason why you would play him.. over one of those. he is slower, he is weaker, he just does nothing better than sarkhan and stormbreath... i think he was only seen in those mardu lists, because they jumped o...

Wrathberry

i dont think we have place for roc in mardu btw..

we got sarkhan and stormbreath on 5 mana.

who the hell needs roc there? i think he is just not good on our deck since our alternatives are just better.

Wrathberry

well, sarkhan has his advantages too.

but i agree that stormbreath is very good in current meta. actualy only heroes downfall and stoke the flames kill him. he cant be blocked by mantis rider. can hold up siege rhinos and so on..

Wrathberry

played mardu tokens on my gameday, and finished the swiss as first with 4:0 and lost in the finals for the playmat 1:2 to the same jeskai deck i beat in the swiss.. by 1 life :D. he topdecked the card he needed to do exactly lethal before i would have killed him next turn. but anyway, was lots of fu...

Wrathberry

i am playing mardu tokens and im doing pretty fine. beating all the good decks around with it.

Wrathberry

i think your deck is not fast enough and does not go deep enough to be good lategame. its not fish nore flesh its something between aggro and midrange. if i were you: remove tymaret and bloodsoaked (mb put bloodsoaked into sideboard vs control), add sorin (why the hell is there no sorin in a token l...

Wrathberry

btw: swiftspear is your best 1-drop. when you sideboard for the go big plan, you remove the denizens and satyrs and not the swiftspears in my oppinion. especialy because you add more spells with harness by force, and ride down. btw: it just feels as good as sacrificing things into aristocrats after ...

Wrathberry

im doing very well with this version of a mardu deck currently: [deck] 4 Firedrinker Satyr 4 Foundry Street Denizen 4 Monastery Swiftspear 4 War-Name Aspirant 4 Goblin Rabblemaster 4 Butcher of the Horde 3 Mardu Ascendancy 2 Ride Down 4 Stoke the Flames 4 Titan's Strength 4 Battlefield Forge 4 Blood...

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