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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:54 pm
by Khaospawn
Was there ever a time in Standard where Red had so many options? Guys, I think we've been spoiled.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:02 pm
by Platypus
You saw Trivium AND Iron Maiden at the same show? I'm fucking jelly bro. I actually missed them on that tour.
It was an amazing show! I was there just as much for Trivium as for Iron Maiden. Can't remember which IM tour it was, "Early Days" or "A Matter of Life and Death"? Probably the later, or something else all together. I've lost track of my IM concerts. On the last one I went to we got Alice Cooper as warm-up, that was pretty ace as well.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:12 pm
by Platypus
I'm having this sudden realization that my relationship wasn't the only thing going wrong in my life and I have other things to fix.
I can't give much advice for you about your situation, I don't have the experience. I guess I'm blessed with a good life so far. However, I can give you the advice to not try to figure out your life by yourself. Find a good professional to talk to. My brother-in-law went through some really hard times a few years ago, depressions and all. He wouldn't have recovered as quickly as he did without counseling. It was still rough, but without help he probably wouldn't be where he is today. I'm not saying you need counseling, but it's good to have an outside part to discuss with and to help with changing thought
patterns and stuff like that.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:24 pm
by Khaospawn
Counselor? I got the FoS. :)

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:29 pm
by zemanjaski
You're so fucked :)

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:30 pm
by Platypus
Yeah, but it might still be good to talk to people who don't know you before, to get a fresh perspective.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:31 pm
by Khaospawn
I may have to agree with that, Z. Lol

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:33 pm
by Khaospawn
Platypus, you're probably right.

Weirdly enough, I feel a lot better today. Like, I can be myself more. I hadn't realized I was allowing myself to no be who I really am for the sake of another person. Everybody around me saw this except myself.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:36 pm
by Nuwen
Fate & I are heading to a Standard SCG 1k in Charlotte. You /in, Alex?

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:43 pm
by Alex
The deck doesn't NEED Wastelands either, although if he's playing Legacy burn he probably already has Wastelands.
Not necessarily, as pretty much no Legacy Burn decks run Wasteland.
Shit, I did. Taxing ambitious mana bases in Legacy while playing a mono-colored deck is excellent, especially when paired with Price of Progress.

The "damned if you do, damned if you don't" approach was awesome for me, and it was one of the first Legacy decks I ever top8'd with. Of course, this was also close to 7 years ago.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:49 pm
by Alex
Fate & I are heading to a Standard SCG 1k in Charlotte. You /in, Alex?
The Super IQ at Be There Games in Indian Trail? Be There Games is literally walking distance to my house. S yeah, I'm gonna be there, but I don't think I'm going to play. I haven't actually put together and tested a Standard deck yet, been busy with me madre.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:51 pm
by Nuwen
sweet~! I'll be the girlie with the skirt.

(also Fate says he needs 2 burning earths abd 2 Yeva's if you have any spare to trade/borrow >.>)

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:53 pm
by Alex
sweet~! I'll be the girlie with the skirt.

(also Fate says he needs 2 burning earths abd 2 Yeva's if you have any spare to trade/borrow >.>)
I don't have any Burning Earths, but he might be in luck with Yeva, let me go downstairs real quick and check.

Have him text me.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:05 pm
by Alex
Nay on Yeva, she must have hit the bulk rare box at the store. Sorry. :(

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:01 pm
by photodyer
Khaos my brother, I wish I had wise words that could pull everything into some sense of right, but endings just suck, even when they are for the better. As others have said, know that we're here in whatever capacity can best serve you.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:47 pm
by Khaospawn
Thanks, Jerry. :)

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:17 pm
by windstrider
Burn, baby, burn?

Playing around with Decked Builder on the iPad.

[deck]
Creatures: 16
4 Ash Zealot
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Spells: 21
1 Devil's Play
4 Pillar of Flame
2 Shock
1 Runechanter's Pike
4 Searing Spear
3 Wild Guess
3 Flames of the Firebrand
3 Chandra, Pyromaster

Lands: 23
21 Mountain
2 Mutavault
[/deck]

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:30 pm
by Platypus
The deck doesn't NEED Wastelands either, although if he's playing Legacy burn he probably already has Wastelands.
Not necessarily, as pretty much no Legacy Burn decks run Wasteland.
Shit, I did. Taxing ambitious mana bases in Legacy while playing a mono-colored deck is excellent, especially when paired with Price of Progress.

The "damned if you do, damned if you don't" approach was awesome for me, and it was one
of the first Legacy decks I ever top8'd with. Of course, this was also close to 7 years ago.
I certainly understand your reasoning, but the burn decks pack only 19 lands at most. Having 4 (to draw them in the beginning when they would matter) of those generating colorless mana in a deck that absolutely need to hit 2, preferably 3 red sources by turn three sounds too risky for me. An opening hand with only Mountain + Wasteland might buy you a turn or two, but might just as well turn back your clock just as much or more. So running Wastelands is too risky for too little gain.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:07 pm
by hamfactorial
All this talk of Wasteland has me thinking about Ghost Quarter in both Standard and Modern. We're likely to see a lot of Mutavaults in the next few months, and GQ seems like a nice way to deal with them without taking up a spell slot.

It also lets me deal with the Urza lands in Modern, and the rage-inducing Celestial Colonnade.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:14 pm
by Jack
What do you play in modern, ham?

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:20 pm
by hamfactorial
I play Rb burn and I'm slowly brewing a Dos Rakis list based off Z's idea a few weeks ago.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:32 pm
by Alex
The deck doesn't NEED Wastelands either, although if he's playing Legacy burn he probably already has Wastelands.
Not necessarily, as pretty much no Legacy Burn decks run Wasteland.
Shit, I did. Taxing ambitious mana bases in Legacy while playing a mono-colored deck is
excellent, especially when paired with Price of Progress.

The "damned if you do, damned if you don't" approach was awesome for me, and it was one of the first Legacy decks I ever top8'd with. Of course, this was also close to 7 years ago.
I certainly understand your reasoning, but the burn decks pack only 19 lands at most. Having 4 (to draw them in the beginning when they would matter) of those generating colorless mana in a deck that absolutely need to hit 2, preferably 3 red sources by turn three sounds too risky for me. An opening hand with only Mountain + Wasteland might buy you a turn or two, but might just as well turn back your clock just as much or more. So running Wastelands is too risky for too little gain.
Opponents not casting Jace, the Mind Sculptor is pretty good value.

Different times, I guess, but I can't see Legacy burn today not wanting to stop its opponents from resolving relevant spells, especially considering the average converted
mana cost of the deck. Suspend Rift Bolt into Waste your blue source seems like exactly the type of thing you'd want to be doing.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:59 pm
by TubeHunter
As somebody who play legacy tourneyments every week, i feel sorry for the ones who can't. You my freinds are missing out on a lot of fun time with the best format in magic

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:13 pm
by Lightning_Dolt
I think the points he makes about needing an aggressive 1 drop; needing good mana; needing to impact the board and be proactive are all good points that are worth understanding if you're a developing red mage.
Thats what I am almost on the fence about...putting in another 1-drop.

The deck is really full on 2 drops

BTE
Ash Zealot
FireFist Striker
Lightning Mauler

I do also like Mogg Flunkies..


Ugh those last minute decisions morning of a PTQ...always drive myself nuts
Not just me then lol.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:16 pm
by Lightning_Dolt
As somebody who play legacy tourneyments every week, i feel sorry for the ones who can't. You my freinds are missing out on a lot of fun time with the best format in magic
Best is subjective. I went to a legacy tournament where I played storm three times and played about a dozen cards in the whole tournament. That wasn't fun at all.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:13 pm
by Alex
As somebody who play legacy tourneyments every week, i feel sorry for the ones who can't. You my freinds are missing out on a lot of fun time with the best format in magic
Best is subjective. I went to a legacy tournament where I played storm three times and played about a dozen cards in the whole tournament. That wasn't fun at all.
Well, like I said, there are plenty of decks that can be invested into safely as both Modern and Legacy decks. Maverick isn't an amazing Modern deck, but it beats Scapeshift pretty handily even before sideboarding, ([card]
Aven Mindcensor[/card] and Knight of the Reliquary fetching Ghost Quarter is big game against them) and that's not a bad place to be right now. It's actually a pretty good Legacy deck though.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:56 pm
by TubeHunter
As somebody who play legacy tourneyments every week, i feel sorry for the ones who can't. You my freinds are missing out on a lot of fun time with the best format in magic
Best is subjective. I went to a legacy tournament where I played storm three times and played about a dozen cards in the whole tournament. That wasn't fun at all.
technical you are right, but i digress, still the best. Sucks that you got turned into a walking pincushion by storm (Assumning you are on burn), but that is just the cylical nature of the meta.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:51 pm
by LP, of the Fires
Best format ever is easily...Modern Masters draft :D

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:33 pm
by TubeHunter
i think that if there is anything that i am going to be a stubborn fuck about, it will be legacy

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:44 pm
by Khaospawn
Oh, the lolz I've been having for the last few hours with my buddies; one of them being Jack Daniels.

Suddenly, Modern seems a bit more fun.

[deck]RDW All-Stars[/deck]

Fuck Goblins. RDW All-Stars likes curving out at 2*!

*Except when I'm forcing Blood Moon!

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:44 pm
by TubeHunter
also, khaos, i am sorry to hear about your troubles. While I cannot say that I know how you feel, I will say that i'm with you, just like the rest of the clan. :)

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:45 pm
by Khaospawn
As somebody who play legacy tourneyments every week, i feel sorry for the ones who can't. You my freinds are missing out on a lot of fun time with the best format in magic
Best is subjective. I went to a legacy tournament where I played storm three times and played about a dozen cards in the whole tournament. That wasn't fun at all.
Well, like I said, there are plenty of decks that can
be invested into safely
as both Modern and Legacy decks. Maverick isn't an amazing Modern deck, but it beats Scapeshift pretty handily even before sideboarding, (Aven Mindcensor and Knight of the Reliquary fetching Ghost Quarter is big game against them) and that's not a bad place to be right now. It's actually a pretty good Legacy deck though.
Playing Modern is perfectly fine as long as it's done safely.

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:49 pm
by Khaospawn
also, khaos, i am sorry to hear about your troubles. While I cannot say that I know how you feel, I will say that i'm with you, just like the rest of the clan. :)
Thanks, buddy. I appreciate it.

:)

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:11 am
by Kazekirimaru
I feel like a complete idiot taking a break from competitive Standard right before shit got serious-business for red. Damn.

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:34 am
by windstrider
Yard work gets serious when I need a machete to cut through some of the damn weeds. Good thing I have a machete. :D

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:56 am
by Valdarith
Oh, the lolz I've been having for the last few hours with my buddies; one of them being Jack Daniels.

Suddenly, Modern seems a bit more fun.

[deck]RDW All-Stars[/deck]

Fuck Goblins. RDW All-Stars likes curving out at 2*!

*Except when I'm forcing Blood Moon!
Been reading the modern AIR thread?

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:19 am
by Khaospawn
Occasionally. I built this on a whim. Just felt like playing ALL the value dudes.

Sadly, Ember Hauler didn't make the cut. :(

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:29 am
by rcwraspy
Well fuck. I completely scrubbed out of the PTQ today. I brought Jund Midrange but just didn't get there - after going 0-0-2 (drew against mirror and UWr control), things didn't improve.

On the positive side, there was a vendor there who was selling cards cheaper than you can find them online, which is the opposite of most event vendors I've seen. I picked up a playset of Mutavault for $42, so now I can build the red deck(s) that I really want to start running.

And with the Mutavault pickup, I'm also a playset of Wastelands away from having a full legacy Merfolk list.

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:49 am
by Kazekirimaru
Well fuck. I completely scrubbed out of the PTQ today. I brought Jund Midrange but just didn't get there - after going 0-0-2 (drew against mirror and UWr control), things didn't improve.

On the positive side, there was a vendor there who was selling cards cheaper than you can find them online, which is the opposite of most event vendors I've seen. I picked up a playset of Mutavault for $42, so now I can build the red deck(s) that I really want to start running.

And with the Mutavault pickup, I'm also a playset of Wastelands away from having a full legacy Merfolk list.
$10.50USD each? Very nice. Sorry you borked up at the PTQ, though. That's what you get for not representing Mono-Red

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:50 am
by Kazekirimaru
You fairing better, dpaine?