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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:47 pm
by LP, of the Fires
Would never draft at a store that collects the rares. Punishes noobs to much which is something I disagree with.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:49 pm
by Valdarith
Would never draft at a store that collects the rares. Punishes noobs to much which is something I disagree with.
We had a discussion about it a couple of days ago. I personally prefer not collecting rares, and I told him that's what keeps many of his customers away. He replied that they were having so many people rare draft then drop before even playing a game and it was the only solution to the problem. They usually have low turnouts anyway since I'm in a smaller town, and a lot of people just go to the bigger LGS with SCG ties 20 miles down the road to do most of their gaming.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:50 pm
by rcwraspy
Sacher's deck was well positioned and he played it very well, so this comment isn't meant to take anything away from his performance.

Game 3 of the finals was potentially a bad keep for the Jund player. He had lots of gas and 2 or 3 non-green lands, but some of his gas included green cards (Thragtusk, I believe). Had he mulliganed, it could have been a completely different outcome. (If game, I know). I feel like Jund needs to be able to count to 3 or 4 lands (either straight land or land -1, +1 Farseek) in the opening hand, including a green source.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:54 pm
by LP, of the Fires
Nice comment RC. As a guy who tests as jund a lot and plays against it at every event, I can say that part of playing jund is accepting that your keeping twice as many hands as every other deck because your deck tends to bell you out and because mull is SO bad for you as every card counts. This doesn't mean "don't mull ever" as I think Reid Duke mulled to 5 on the play against Brad Nelson at the MIama GP and won, but what it does mean is that most hands with 2 lands, green source and a removal spell are keepable and most 3 land hands with a playable removal spell are keepable. Note that 2 lands no currently castable removal spell and a green source are almost always keeps, at least in the dark and on the play and are usually keeps on the draw as well.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:03 pm
by Khaospawn
Spent all day yesterday watching The Walking Dead. I made it past the first season and halfway through the second.

I'm thoroughly addicted.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:24 pm
by rcwraspy
[quote="LP, of the Fires ยป Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:54 am"]Nice comment RC. As a guy who tests as jund a lot and plays against it at every event, I can say that part of playing jund is accepting that your keeping twice as many hands as every other deck because your deck tends to bell you out and because mull is SO bad for you as every card counts. This doesn't mean "don't mull ever" as I think Reid Duke mulled to 5 on the play against Brad Nelson at the MIama GP and won, but what it does mean is that most hands with 2 lands, green source and a removal spell are keepable and most 3 land hands with a playable removal spell are keepable. Note that 2 lands no currently castable removal spell and a green source are almost always keeps, at least in the dark and on the play and are usually keeps on the draw as well.[/
quote]

I recently sleeved up Jund and was immediately surprised at how many hands you can keep and the deck just bails you out because you top deck like crazy.

But if you can keep a good number of hands because you top deck well, then you should also be able to say that you'll top deck yourself through a mulligan fairly well.

He thought long and hard about his mulligan decision for game 3 and it ended up biting him in the butt. I have a personal rule that if I catch myself thinking that long about it, then I just have to ball-up and mulligan.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:45 pm
by hamfactorial
Spent all day yesterday watching The Walking Dead. I made it past the first season and halfway through the second.

I'm thoroughly addicted.
You made it through season 2 without stabbing yourself? You're a prince among men XD

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:45 pm
by rcwraspy
Ok, so I did some digging and here's what someone said the hand was:

Blood Crypt, Dragonskull, Kessig, Slip, Curse of Death's Hold, Farseek, and Huntmaster?

That's really not cut and dry whatsoever. You can easily top-deck through that hand and be in a very good spot. But you can also miss on every card in there other than land and Slip, which is what happened. Having Farseek and Huntmaster both in a 3-land hand is almost always keepable. It really was just missing that green source, in a deck with what, 16 green sources?

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:04 pm
by Lightning_Dolt
MNM report up in the AIR thread for those who care.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:13 pm
by windstrider
Ok, so I did some digging and here's what someone said the hand was:

Blood Crypt, Dragonskull, Kessig, Slip, Curse of Death's Hold, Farseek, and Huntmaster?

That's really not cut and dry whatsoever. You can easily top-deck through that hand and be in a very good spot. But you can also miss on every card in there other than land and Slip, which is what happened. Having Farseek and Huntmaster both in a 3-land hand is almost always keepable. It really was just missing that green source, in a deck with what, 16 green sources?
No mana to cast the cards? Mulligan. You should not be hoping for a top deck card at the beginning of the game. Go for a safer hand to get through the early turns, especially when the later top deck cards are so much more
powerful.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:41 pm
by redthirst
Spent all day yesterday watching The Walking Dead. I made it past the first season and halfway through the second.

I'm thoroughly addicted.
You made it through season 2 without stabbing yourself? You're a prince among men XD
Season 2 is... not the best. Watchable maybe, but it does get a lot better.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:51 pm
by Khaospawn
I'm not through all of it yet - I have 5 episodes to go. But this whole search party / hanging at a farmhouse / 1 or 2 episodes without a walker in it is kinda boring. Still liking it tho.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:18 pm
by hamfactorial
The second half gets better after they fired the writing staff and replaced them with ... let's be honest, a ham sandwich would have been an improvement.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:34 pm
by Khaospawn
Mmmmm.....hamfactorial sammich

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:35 pm
by Khaospawn
Barn full of walkers looks like the end is gonna be cool.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:36 pm
by hamfactorial
Get this man a sandwichfactorial

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:37 pm
by hamfactorial
The flavor text for Devour Flesh seems fitting here.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:58 pm
by Kazekirimaru
I still never saw The Walking Dead. Can't say I'm compelled to. Sounds to me like 1% zombie action 99% people bitching.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:04 pm
by redthirst
So, I read a couple of civilwargoat's posts over on Sally, and I think Kamahl might have some real competition on his hands. If he's not careful, goat's going to usurp his position as a vaulted member of the Fucking Wad Trilogy.
I think I may have spoken too soon:
Originally posted by Kamahl, the Fallen on MTGS
Burning Earth is a card I even considered in our SB. Burning Earth against decks with access to continuous sources of life gain outside of casting something is really not that great. Really do not see what all the fuss about this card against us is.
Keep in mind he's talking about a deck with 26 nonbasic and 0 basic lands.

The "continuous sources of life gain outside of casting something&
quot; is 4 Blood Baron which, while certainly good, has no protection from [mana]R[/mana] - which is the only (or at least main) color any deck running Burning Earth will consist of.

Long live the king.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:08 pm
by hamfactorial
May his reign never end.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:23 pm
by Alex
Did you guys happen to see the Block Constructed premier results?

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/Ma ... rn/5686304

Apparently we're way ahead of the curve. Who knew? :rolleyes:

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:38 pm
by Khaospawn
That's hilarious, Alex.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:21 pm
by Alex
I have to admit that control deck looks hella sweet, though.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:41 pm
by Platypus
I still never saw The Walking Dead. Can't say I'm compelled to. Sounds to me like 1% zombie action 99% people bitching.
There's definitely more zombie action than that.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:02 pm
by Kazekirimaru
2%? :D

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:08 pm
by redthirst
I've regularly described it as a drama that just happens to take place during a zombie apocalypse.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:15 pm
by Self Medicated
Did you guys happen to see the Block Constructed premier results?

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/Ma ... rn/5686304

Apparently we're way ahead of the curve. Who knew? :rolleyes:
4 spots in the top 8? Very nice. I'm actually running the EXACT same list as the guy that took 1st place.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:59 pm
by Khaospawn
I read the last 2 pages of the Dega thread and now I want to stab myself in the eye with a crayon.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:06 pm
by Valdarith
I read the last 2 pages of the Dega thread and now I want to stab myself in the eye with a crayon.
...but Burning Earth gives you more time, khaos. I don't see what the big fuss over this card is all about.

:scared:

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:09 pm
by hamfactorial
It's k boss, Warleader's Helix just becomes a 4 damage spell which is totally still legit!

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:13 pm
by Khaospawn
Did you read his tournament report?

I just can't believe any of it. I just don't. There's no way that deck went undefeated. Seriously, read his boarding plans and how he scooped after turn 3 to some Aristocrats deck.

There is not one ounce of credibility or intelligence in any of his posts. The same goes for cmeks.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:14 pm
by Khaospawn
Playing Burning Earth in a 3 color deck is perfectly fine as long as it's done safely.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:23 pm
by Platypus
I've regularly described it as a drama that just happens to take place during a zombie apocalypse.
Yeah, this is true. I think the drama is what keeps it interesting. I love zombie movies, but the zombie action gets very boring after a while.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:25 pm
by Calamity
damn why arent' there people like Kamahl at my LGS

I like free packs too

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:25 pm
by Kazekirimaru
Just when I thought that Dega thread couldn't get any worse. Burning Earth in a deck with 0-2 basics. Hilarious. It's like he's trying to be stupid.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:32 pm
by Alex
Did you read his tournament report?

I just can't believe any of it. I just don't. There's no way that deck went undefeated. Seriously, read his boarding plans and how he scooped after turn 3 to some Aristocrats deck.

There is not one ounce of credibility or intelligence in any of his posts. The same goes for cmeks.
That's okay, I'm sure he thinks the same thing about all of our sound logic and numbers.

He probably thinks Ham doesn't actually exist, too.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:36 pm
by hamfactorial
One thing I've got going: Burning Earth doesn't deal damage when you tap me.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:42 pm
by rcwraspy
Kamahl's one of those types who latches on to a christmas-land interaction and then uses every ounce of faulty logic in the book to justify and rationalize its use and extrapolate it to other scenarios. He thrives on circular logic.

However, I think he was talking about playing AGAINST Burning Earth, not WITH. He also doesn't know how to properly construct a sentence.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:43 pm
by Khaospawn
One thing I've got going: Burning Earth doesn't deal damage when you tap me.
If I was Burning Earth, I'd totally tap ham. Burning sensation or not.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:56 pm
by hamfactorial
Kamahl's one of those types who latches on to a christmas-land interaction and then uses every ounce of faulty logic in the book to justify and rationalize its use and extrapolate it to other scenarios. He thrives on circular logic.

However, I think he was talking about playing AGAINST Burning Earth, not WITH. He also doesn't know how to properly construct a sentence.
I wish this were the case! He said specifically that he considered Burning Earth for his sideboard.

Originally posted by Kamahl, the Fallen on MTGS
Burning Earth is a card I even considered in our SB. Burning Earth against decks with access to continuous sources of life gain outside of casting something is really not that great. Really do not see what all the fuss about this card
against us is.