Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)

[( G_R )]

Someone got a bit upset over a vot... Wait... That's not even a vote.

[Wraith223]

So far, we have Zem, freedom, and ham bandwagon voting without considering inflateablePie's banning. Testing a rcwraspy vote seems like a smooth scum plan, but the character traits make no sense to me so far. Will have to ponder this more and watch Stardust carefully. Iamopen2 is way to silent. Holidays are not helping.
I am not voting till more shit is posted.

How does testing his claim NOT help Town?

Cause if he has some pro-town ability and scum are scared; it does not help us to vote off another town. Why is no one looking into Iamopen2 as of now?
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Why was there no night kill of Stardust if she feared it the most? Doclawless, me, and Rcwraspy (if cop) would have been great choices as well. Something is not adding up.

[Wraith223]

Someone got a bit upset over a vot... Wait... That's not even a vote.

>> >>Me?

Or another post from drunk, bad Santa?

[imopen2]

I don't have much time, tons of work to do.

RCW was the NK target. I used my bus driver ability to deflect any actions taken against him onto Rez. I suspected that rcw would be the NK target since he is unlynchable and confirmed town. I also didn't like rez's role-fishing at the end of the day and I felt that the unlynchable was probably balanced by a scum vig. I have no idea why his role was not revealed to us tho

More later

[imopen2]

Oh, and Vote RCW

[rcwraspy]

If we're voting me just to prove it's static that's fine, and I'll join in.

After I ask a question. To the experienced players - are there roles out there that clear PRs? Like, a vanilla-izer or something?

If yes, do we really want to risk this?

Did you get any PMs last night?

No I did not.

[rcwraspy]

Oh, and Vote RCW

I think that's a hammer, so if there's a "vanilla-izer" I'm screwed anyway. So in that case, to put your fears of "higher lynch threshold" to rest:

vote: RCWRaspy

[Wraith223]

I don't have much time, tons of work to do.

RCW was the NK target. I used my bus driver ability to deflect any actions taken against him onto Rez. I suspected that rcw would be the NK target since he is unlynchable and confirmed town. I also didn't like rez's role-fishing at the end of the day and I felt that the unlynchable was probably balanced by a scum vig. I have no idea why his role was not revealed to us tho

More later

Why would you vote Rcwraspy if you saved him to kill Rez? Explain the third sentence more please.

[rcwraspy]

I don't have much time, tons of work to do.

RCW was the NK target. I used my bus driver ability to deflect any actions taken against him onto Rez. I suspected that rcw would be the NK target since he is unlynchable and confirmed town. I also didn't like rez's role-fishing at the end of the day and I felt that the unlynchable was probably balanced by a scum vig. I have no idea why his role was not revealed to us tho

More later

Why would you vote Rcwraspy if you saved him to kill Rez? Explain the third sentence more please.

We'
re all voting me to make sure my unlynchable is static and not one-shot.

Hop on in, the water's fine.

[Wraith223]

I don't have much time, tons of work to do.

RCW was the NK target. I used my bus driver ability to deflect any actions taken against him onto Rez. I suspected that rcw would be the NK target since he is unlynchable and confirmed town. I also didn't like rez's role-fishing at the end of the day and I felt that the unlynchable was probably balanced by a scum vig. I have no idea why his role was not
revealed to us tho

More later

Why would you vote Rcwraspy if you saved him to kill Rez? Explain the third sentence more please.

We're all voting me to make sure my unlynchable is static and not one-shot.

Hop on in, the water's fine.

Do you even know your ability? Why support a lynch of yourself?

[rcwraspy]

I don't have much time, tons of work to do.

RCW was the NK target. I used my bus driver ability to deflect any actions taken against him onto Rez. I suspected that rcw would be the NK target since he is unlynchable and confirmed town. I
also didn't like rez's role-fishing at the end of the day and I felt that the unlynchable was probably balanced by a scum vig. I have no idea why his role was not revealed to us tho

More later

Why would you vote Rcwraspy if you saved him to kill Rez? Explain the third sentence more please.

We're all voting me to make sure my unlynchable is static and not one-shot.

Hop on in, the water's fine.

Do you even know your ability? Why support a lynch of yourself?

Yes, I know my ability. And as long as there isn't a role out there that can clear out my ability at instant speed (or done to me over night I suppose) I'm fine.

[( G_R )]

You reading the thread Wraith?

Unvote Freedom

Vote rcwraspy

Vote rcwraspy

Mod, votecount, plz.

[Wraith223]

You reading the thread Wraith?

Unvote Freedom

Vote rcwraspy

Vote rcwraspy

Mod, votecount, plz.

Yes. First game confusion and weird abilities abound. Unsubstantiated claims not helping either (Iamopen2 saving Rcwraspy and there is nothing mentioned about Rez besides a weird banning?). No proof from Mod.

[Stardust]

rez was probably scum. His flip was blocked. My guess is that would have been a static ability he had since it doesn't make sense for the scum to use an ability like that today.

[( G_R )]

Someone got a bit upset over a vot... Wait... That's not even a vote.

>> >>Me?

[Wraith223]

Someone got a bit upset over a vot... Wait... That's not even a vote.

>> >>Me?

OK. Well yeah I was upset! I lead the charge on a towny. FUUUUCK!

My reads were wrong on him and now I feel stupid. Back to the drawing board and might as well vote for my strongest scum read.

Vote FREEDOM

[Wraith223]

rez was probably scum. His flip was blocked. My guess is that would have been a static ability he had since it doesn't make sense for the scum to use an ability like that today.

But Rez day killed. Isn't that a towny ability?

[Stardust]

I went into more detail before (read back) but rcw being lynchproof (now confirmed town assuming he survives this lynch) called rez's role into question.

[Wraith223]

I went into more detail before (read back) but rcw being lynchproof (now confirmed town assuming he survives this lynch) called rez's role into question.

Do you believe what Iamopen2 said about saving Rcwraspy?

[zemanjaski]

As for rcw, maybe you can explain how him being 1-shot confirms he's scum? Keep in mind I wrote that before he had confirmed he wasn't 1-shot (and said as much) so there was no misrep there despite your bold words. You wanted to test it no matter what, ignoring other evidence. That's what's scummy.

Explain what evidence I am ignoring to the crowd please. RCWs behavioural stuff I must ignore; he was deliberately acting in a certain way to get lynched yesterDay; why would I look into that behaviour for tells?

Pretty sure he confirmed he wasn't a 1 shot days ago so I need to check that; how long have you been sitting on your accusatory post?

Definite misrep. I explained before the lynch that we should test the claim and why,
others agreed with me then and you voiced no concern until now and you had time; you were active in the days before the lynch when it was discussed. Why have you been hiding your concerns? You're the experienced player, you should be helping Town make good decisions.

Put simply, RCW could be lying about his ability; maybe he is scum with 1-shot immunity? Now we will know. Town wouldn't lie about that ability and confirming him helps Town.

Last thing, you lynched Pie for info, yet haven't mentioned any info you got from that lynch. Did you even look into it? What have you got?

It's coming when I have time to make a substantive post. Yes, I've looked in to it. Like everyone I'm extremely busy right now; I'm posting at 6am before getting to bed from a Chistmas party...

[Stardust]

I went into more detail before (read back) but rcw being lynchproof (now confirmed town assuming he survives this lynch) called rez's role into question.

Do you believe what Iamopen2 said about saving Rcwraspy?

Until I see evidence to the contrary, yes. rezombad didn't make much sense as a nightkill target unless the scum were super scared of him having multiple shots. If he did, he probably would have shot me today, helping the scum (though I appreciate you might not see it that way from your point if view). Until imopen claimed, I was thinking he might
have been shot by our real vig (and that the mafia night kill was prevented).

[Wraith223]

I went into more detail before (read back) but rcw being lynchproof (now confirmed town assuming he survives this lynch) called rez's role into question.

Do you believe what Iamopen2 said about saving Rcwraspy?

Until I see evidence to the contrary, yes. rezombad didn't make much sense as a nightkill target unless the scum were super scared of him having multiple shots. If he did, he
probably would have shot me today, helping the scum (though I appreciate you might not see it that way from your point if view). Until imopen claimed, I was thinking he might have been shot by our real vig (and that the mafia night kill was prevented).

Ehhhh, ok.

No Vote count yet?

[( G_R )]

O wait, I thought you were zem. I was referring to zem.

[( G_R )]

*Oh

[Wraith223]

O wait, I thought you were zem. I was referring to zem.

Zem has a very avatar than me. The fish thing is also a big clue. WTH is that anyway?

*oh>>>>>>>>>>>>what does that mean?

[Wraith223]

Edit" Zem has a very "different" avatar than me

[Stardust]

Z, you said rcw was acting more townie (following his "lynch") in the same post you said you wanted to lynch him again. That's my problem. That's what you're ignoring.

Read the timing of everything else. Your worst posts happened a short time before the Day ended. Then you accuse me of not stepping forward sooner? Like I said, I didn't catch your scummy intentions until Night fell. You lynched someone that you were reading as town. You defend yourself saying you were following me, but I had already unvoted. There's no other way to read this.

[Jack]

Re: zemanjaski "bullying" me: he does have a pushy kind of style, but I don't feel like I did certain things simply because he told me too. He did have a lot of influence on my decision to vote for Pie, but that was because he made me realize that my vote for ham, while more likely to hit scum in my mind, wouldn't matter much. As I said before I voted, I recognized that Pie would hit 6 very soon, regardless of whether or not I put him there. In the end, I decided to make the vote myself, since contemplating why the person who made the hammer vote chose to do so would likely result in a huge WIFOM situation in my head.

[Jack]

How about we hold off on making accusations until Suga tells us what happens as a result of there being over 5 votes on raspy. You'll be much less likely to say something stupid when you know what's going on.

[DroppinSuga]

The lynch has failed yet again

The votes are reset and the day continues!

[Wraith223]

WTH?

People I will vote for
Freedom- Should have stood his ground in disagreement on InflateablePie.
Ham- to damn quiet
Zem- Stardust has made some very good points.

People I think are town or just can't lynch
Rcwraspy
Doclawless
Stardust (for now)
G_R (for now as I can't get anything out of his posts)

Unknowns
Iamopen2- his claim is probable but unsubstantiated.

[zemanjaski]

Z, you said rcw was acting more townie (following his "lynch") in the same post you said you wanted to lynch him again. That's my problem. That's what you're ignoring.

I don't understand your concern, but let me try to explain again. These are the steps in my logic:

1. RCWraspy is acting very scummy. We, as a group, decide that he is the best first lynch candidate
2. Turns out he cannot be lynched. He claims that he is unlynchable miller.
3. Rezom points out that there can be 1-shot unlynchable scum.
4. My contention is that we may as well try to lynch him again to test RCW's claim; RCW always claimed lynch immunity; which is what scum would say to prevent us trying to lynch him again.
5. There is no harm to Town in testing
RCW's claim; we now have a confirmed Townie.

So yeah, I immediately wanted to lynch him again to be 100% certain that he is now Town. We've done that now so I have no problems with RCW at all. I am not sure why you and Wraith223 are having difficulty with this, everyone else gets it.

Read the timing of everything else. Your worst posts happened a short time before the Day ended. Then you accuse me of not stepping forward sooner? Like I said, I didn't catch your scummy intentions until Night fell. You lynched someone that you were reading as town. You defend yourself saying you were following me, but I had already unvoted. There's no other way to read this.

No, I had moved Pie to my null pile. Both you and Rezom had made arguments that he might be scum, and that had been enough for me to move him out of confirmed Town in my mind; while I thought that my read on him was correct, I was swayed by the arguments of more experienced players - you even made the point to
me that I should not be so trusting and uncritical of experienced players, so I took on board the concerns of others and reassigned a read on him.

You unvoting is irrelevant. I was following your arguments, not your vote. You unvoting doesn't make your argument that Pie might be scum disappear.

[zemanjaski]

Stardust and Wraith seem to be acting with a lot of co-ordination today. They're both taking issue with the same points in tandem, and both have now moved in on me; Stardust at least had me null yesterday, but Wraith had me as likely Town. Moving me from Town to scum based on my pushing a vote for CRWraspy, that was not only explained in detail and AGREED TO AS BEING GOOD FOR TOWN BY MULTIPLE POSTERS is very questionnable; and they're both doing it seemingly out of nowhere.

Did they have much if any interaction in the last game day? Or did they avoid each other?

It's a little strange that Wraith is already discussing serious lynching too, the day has only just begun.

[Wraith223]

Stardust and Wraith seem to be acting with a lot of co-ordination today. They're both taking issue with the same points in tandem, and both have now moved in on me; Stardust at least had me null yesterday, but Wraith had me as likely Town. Moving me from Town to scum based on my pushing a vote for CRWraspy, that was not only explained in detail and AGREED TO AS BEING GOOD FOR TOWN BY MULTIPLE POSTERS is very questionnable; and they're both doing it seemingly out of nowhere.

Did they have much if any interaction in the last game day? Or did they avoid each other?

It's a little strange that Wraith is already discussing serious lynching too, the day has only just begun.

I was posting my intentions cause Saturday might be busy and
Sunday-Tuesday will be hard for me to get to a computer. Since the votes reset, I have not cast a vote so.....

You are fairly aggressive on a pointless lynch now. My opinions so far have been wrong or are now very confused. Stardust has made very good points on you, but you know my thoughts on her so far. Freedom is a duh. Ham is just acting scummy with the side line sitting. I am listening with an open mind. Just giving you all my standings to help.

[Wraith223]

Stardust and I are not working together but share a few agreeable theories. Nothing else.

[Stardust]

Cool. I'm ready.

Vote zemanjaski.

[zemanjaski]

Stardust and Wraith seem to be acting with a lot of co-ordination today. They're both taking issue with the same points in tandem, and both have now moved in on me; Stardust at least had me null yesterday, but Wraith had me as likely Town. Moving me from Town to scum based on my pushing a vote for CRWraspy, that was not only explained in detail and AGREED TO AS BEING GOOD FOR TOWN BY MULTIPLE POSTERS is very questionnable; and they're both doing it seemingly out of nowhere.

Did they have much if any interaction in the last game day? Or did they avoid each other?

It's a little strange
that Wraith is already discussing serious lynching too, the day has only just begun.

I was posting my intentions cause Saturday might be busy and Sunday-Tuesday will be hard for me to get to a computer. Since the votes reset, I have not cast a vote so.....

You are fairly aggressive on a pointless lynch now. My opinions so far have been wrong or are now very confused. Stardust has made very good points on you, but you know my thoughts on her so far. Freedom is a duh. Ham is just acting scummy with the side line sitting. I am listening with an open mind. Just giving you all my standings to help.

I am not aggressive at all about lynching Raspy. It isn't going to happen. I just wanted to test his claim and make sure he was being truthful. You understand why right? I don't want there to be any misunderstanding between us; sure I was the one pushing that we test his claim, but G_R, Freedom, DocLawless and CRWraspy himself all thought it was a good idea for reasons I
have previously explained. I know we see Mafia theory differently, and obviously you come from a law enforcement background, so maybe what I was doing doesn't appeal to you for some reason? I basically just wanted to be sure that he was, 100% definitely, unlynchable Town.

We've done that now and I have zero interest in any arguments against rcwraspy now. Is that clear?

I need to go and make a re-read; do some analysis of what was happening with Pie.

[zemanjaski]

Cool. I'm ready.

Vote zemanjaski.

And just for the audience, confirm your reasons are:

1. my pushing for our testing of raspy's claim
2. my pushing of an information lynch on Pie, when I had at one point, had him as Town

Y/Y?

[zemanjaski]

If yes, I have already explained my reasons for both points, so I won't have more to say on this distraction until a few other posters have had more input.

[zemanjaski]

Stardust and Wraith seem to be acting with a lot of co-ordination today. They're both taking issue with the same points in tandem, and both have now moved in on me; Stardust at least had me null yesterday, but Wraith had me as likely Town. Moving me from Town to scum based on my pushing a vote for CRWraspy, that was not only explained in detail and AGREED TO AS BEING GOOD FOR TOWN BY MULTIPLE POSTERS is very questionnable; and they're both doing it seemingly out of nowhere.

Did they have much if any interaction in the last game day? Or did they avoid each other?

It's a little strange
that Wraith is already discussing serious lynching too, the day has only just begun.

You are fairly aggressive on a pointless lynch now.

This is very incorrect.