Dies to Removal

He claimed vanilla and told kpaca to unvote him then revote him to hammer. Then everyone unvoted and the day ended.

As to why the word conflagration isn't a tell: "Her logic to confirm phantasmo isn't sound, as the flame princess could very well be scum, as there isn't any rhyme or reason to what role is on what side."

He claimed vanilla and told kpaca to unvote him then revote him to hammer. Then everyone unvoted and the day ended.

As to why the word conflagration isn't a tell: "Her logic to confirm phantasmo isn't sound, as the flame princess could very well be scum, as there isn't any rhyme or reason to what role is on what side."

Yes, "conflagration" itself is not a tell or evidence. However, when you combine it with everything else we know (that scum RBd me the same night he claims to have vigged CM) then the most likely conclusion is that he is exactly what he's claimed to be.

Or you and phantoms are scum together and you were never roleblocked.

So, I take it your 'toughguy' theory went out the toilet?

Also, Manders: Keep in mind the only reason I didn't hammer you into oblivion was because you REFUSED to claim, and when I went to check back, Shalako already declared it a no-lynch. So let us be clear: Your death, ESPECIALLY because you are vanilla, would have benefited the town, much more than your life would have been today. Even my lynch yesterday would have been better, because that's one less person to worry about. Jones/whoever else thinks me scum could be moving on. Instead, now I may very well be the mislynch that costs us the game.

As a town PR, I could see you slow rolling yesterday because you don't want to out the last role. But knowing that you are (ability wise) useless, we are on a deadline, and you claim you can't be around much? Horrible, HORRIBLE ways to carry out the day yesterday, and I have been strongly considering pushing for your
list because of that (in addition to clear fence sitting your series of posts showed between myself and others).

As an aside, the fact that you seem to be in between us, declare to lynch me, but refuse to take a side on the other two shows from a mafia perspective, you only have an interesting in getting that single mislynch. Tomorrow never happens if I die, afterall...

Or you and phantoms are scum together and you were never roleblocked.

Well, I know that's not a possibility, but I'm aware you don't know that. Are we going to keep arguing that?

So, I take it your 'toughguy' theory went out the toilet?

As I've already said, this is still possible, but it's more likely that PhantomS is telling the truth.

Also, Manders: Keep in mind the only reason I didn't hammer you into oblivion was because you REFUSED to claim, and when I went to check back, Shalako already declared it a no-lynch. So let us
be clear: Your death, ESPECIALLY because you are vanilla, would have benefited the town, much more than your life would have been today. Even my lynch yesterday would have been better, because that's one less person to worry about. Jones/whoever else thinks me scum could be moving on. Instead, now I may very well be the mislynch that costs us the game.

Since when is refusing to claim a reason to not lynch someone you think is scum?
My death would in no way have benefited the town more because the scum wasted yet another night RBing me.
Nice touch with the fearmongering at the end, though.

As a town PR, I could see you slow rolling yesterday because you don't want to out the last role. But knowing that you are (ability wise) useless, we are on a deadline, and you claim you can't be around much? Horrible, HORRIBLE ways to carry out the day yesterday, and I have been strongly considering pushing for your list because of that (in addition to clear fence sitting your
series of posts showed between myself and others).

So why are you not pushing for my lynch now?

As an aside, the fact that you seem to be in between us, declare to lynch me, but refuse to take a side on the other two shows from a mafia perspective, you only have an interesting in getting that single mislynch. Tomorrow never happens if I die, afterall...

Where did I refuse to take a side on anything?

Vote: The Guardian

I'm resolute and believe we need to proceed.

OMG, Shalako, can we get some prods up in here or a deadline or something?

Seriously, guys, does anyone have anything else to say?

Sorry, I've been working a lot and looking for a different job on account of hating that I work stupid hours.

I'm going to go ahead and say that Manders not saying sooner that she knew somebody was visiting her was way more detrimental than her lame explanation that somebody else could've started getting targeted if she claimed was worth. Like, she didn't even have to claim that she didn't have a power role to say she got a PM saying somebody visited her. As for the guardian I do remember him claiming and there was an element of sincerity to the character he claimed. I could be wrong, but it's not a bus that I'm convinced of.

I also really don't like how inactive Kpaca has been and hate that he's not voting anybody. That's not Kpaca. Maybe he's just stopped giving a shit about this game (I know I have), but that doesn't excuse the play. I'd be fine with a lynch of either, but I think I'm actually going to
go Kpaca here. This is way too backseat for him.

Vote: Kpaca.

So, we're looking at two scum left, unless anyone expects a different number. @Manders & PhantomS, who would be your second suspects?

Shouldn't you vote for Jones? I remember the last time someone voted for an "alias" and not the user name, the vote didn't get counted.

Oh yeah. I'm mad about that. This game is making it outrageous hard for me to care and I think my post/recent play heavily implied that manders is the other person at the top of my suspect list. Though I can't say I feel great about you either, GR.

Can I just lynch everybody but me?

I'm going to go ahead and say that Manders not saying sooner that she knew somebody was visiting her was way more detrimental than her lame explanation that somebody else could've started getting targeted if she claimed was worth. Like, she didn't even have to claim that she didn't have a power role to say she got a PM saying somebody visited her.

Uh, it was the first thing I said the next Day, dude. What are you talking about?

I also really don't like how inactive Kpaca has been and hate that he's not voting anybody. That's not Kpaca. Maybe he's just stopped giving a shit about this game (I know I have), but that doesn't excuse the play. I'd be fine with a lynch of either, but I think I'm actually going to go Kpaca
here. This is way too backseat for him.

Vote: Kpaca.

How much experience do you have playing with kpaca?

So, we're looking at two scum left, unless anyone expects a different number. @Manders & PhantomS, who would be your second suspects?

I've already said what three players I've narrowed it down to.

So, we're looking at two scum left, unless anyone expects a different number. @Manders & PhantomS, who would be your second suspects?

I've already said what three players I've narrowed it down to.

Also, GR, why did you specifically ask us?

Why didn't you ask Jones who, you know, hasn't said jack shit about who he thinks is scum?

Or Ximbad?

Or The Guardian?

I really want to know.

Because you're the ones who have already voted today.

So you don't care what their thoughts are at all?

I did not say that. I answered your question.

I do want to hear from everybody. I'm still waiting for those claims...

I'm going to go ahead and say that Manders not saying sooner that she knew somebody was visiting her was way more detrimental than her lame explanation that somebody else could've started getting targeted if she claimed was worth. Like, she didn't even have to claim that she didn't have a power role to say she got a PM saying somebody visited her.

Uh, it was the first thing I said the next Day, dude. What are you talking about?

How are you failing to see that waiting until the next day was the problem?

How much experience do you
have playing with kpaca?

I've played with him like twice, but I've probably had more interaction with him out of game than the other players here and that means as much if not more IMO. Jones would be posting if he gave a shit/ was town.

I'm going to go ahead and say that Manders not saying sooner that she knew somebody was visiting her was way more detrimental than her lame explanation that somebody else could've started getting targeted if she claimed was worth. Like, she didn't even have to claim that she didn't have a power role to say she got a PM saying somebody visited her.

Uh, it was the first thing I said the next Day, dude.
What are you talking about?

How are you failing to see that waiting until the next day was the problem?

Are we confused?
I was originally roleblocked N2. I claimed it, in my first post, D3.
If you're talking about something else, please, fill me in.

How much experience do you have playing with kpaca?

I've played with him like twice, but I've probably had more interaction with him out of game than the other players here and that means as much if not more IMO. Jones would be posting if he gave a shit/ was town.

Or you could remember that he's on Spring Break.

My gut tells me he's town, and my gut's right about him more often than it's not.

I'm going to go ahead and say that Manders not saying sooner that she knew somebody was visiting her was way more detrimental than her lame explanation that somebody else could've started getting targeted if she claimed was worth. Like, she didn't even have
to claim that she didn't have a power role to say she got a PM saying somebody visited her.

Uh, it was the first thing I said the next Day, dude. What are you talking about?

How are you failing to see that waiting until the next day was the problem?

Are we confused?
I was originally roleblocked N2. I claimed it, in my first post, D3.
If you're talking about something else, please, fill me in.

I'm talking about the day that we got a no lynch while you said nothing and possibly cost the town the game.

Or you could remember that he's on Spring Break.

I didn't know that and if anything he'd have more free time on Spring Break?

My gut tells me he's town, and my gut's right about him more often than it's not.

Oh cool. You have me convinced.

OH WAIT

I'm going to go ahead and say that Manders not saying sooner that she knew somebody was
visiting her was way more detrimental than her lame explanation that somebody else could've started getting targeted if she claimed was worth. Like, she didn't even have to claim that she didn't have a power role to say she got a PM saying somebody visited her.

Uh, it was the first thing I said the next Day, dude. What are you talking about?

How are you failing to see that waiting until the next day was the problem?

Are we confused?
I was originally roleblocked N2. I claimed it, in my first post, D3.
If you're talking about something else, please, fill me in.

I'm talking about the day that we got a no lynch while you said nothing and possibly cost the town the game.

Oh you mean when it resulted in the scum wasting the roleblock on me again?

No, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.

Or you could remember that he's on Spring Break.

nI didn't know that and if anything he'd have more free time on Spring Break?

You'd think so, but no. He's doing beach stuff.

My gut tells me he's town, and my gut's right about him more often than it's not.

Oh cool. You have me convinced.

OH WAIT

Yeah, eating a roleblock was way better than ending up in lylo without gaining any actual information that we couldn't have had yesterday.

I'll be able to Prod People/Vote Count in ~8 Hours.

I thought I had time to mess around here but I don't and i'm a bad person sorry.
EDIT: At 5:~15AM 3/16/2013
VoteCount! Modagumbo jones (1)-PhantomS

The Guardian(1)-Manders

Not Voting: GR, The Guardian, Modagumbo Jones, Ximbad
With 6 Alive it is 4 to Lynch.

*shrugs*

Vote G_R


I still have yet to seem do any prodding of other players, he is still playing passively in his posts today (despite it being MLoL). Still want to hear from Jones...

So, you want to lynch an un-CC'd PR?

#tellmemore

Oh, missed that... For some reason, I can't get it out of my head that Manders isn't a PR.
Unvote GR

This game needs to progress.

Xander, why didn't you re-vote someone?

Nothing he has done has started adding up. There doesn't seem to be any more to discuss, let's put the day out of its misery.

Unvote you clown...

Actually, you very well may be scum. You were strangely quiet about the whole Manders questioning yesterday, only saying that I was the only wagon you saw as legitimate, despite plenty of discussion from others.

@Manders: Because, I am at a loss. I really can't wrap my mind around a Jones/Manders scum team remaining, and yet, I can't decide between you two. Ximbad is a newbie, so I can't read him. G_R's behavior was hella scummy, but he has an un-cced claim which clears him. I am just dead in the water right now. I asked Jones to hammer because my lynch yesterday would have made a world of difference.

So, we need some Jones commentary right now...

Unvote you clown...

Actually, you very well may be scum. You were strangely quiet about the whole Manders questioning yesterday, only saying that I was the only wagon you saw as legitimate, despite plenty of discussion from others.

@Manders: Because, I am at a loss. I really can't wrap my mind around a Jones/Manders scum team remaining, and yet, I can't decide between you two. Ximbad is a newbie, so I can't read him. G_R's behavior was hella scummy, but he has an un-cced claim which clears him. I am just dead in the water right now. I asked Jones to hammer because my lynch yesterday would have made a world of difference.

So, we need some Jones commentary right now...

Other than kpaca I think we've heard from everyone. What else
is there to talk about?
unvote

Forgot to send out prods, Proding people who need prods as of this post.

I'll be in Seattle for the Next Week and I'll have limited computer time.

So,eone should help get me up to speed.....

(G_R) claimed doctor
manders refused to claim yesterday, ending the day in no lynch; today she claimed vanilla and wanted to soak a roleblock. Yesterday she somewhat derailed a bandwagon against the guarian, but now she has completely recanted.
Phantoms wants to lynch you for not posting/caring
The Guardian still seems lynch happy. He voted for G_R after he claimed doc, and he's been up to lynch just about anyone for whatever reasons.
I can see two possibilities. Either manders and phantoms are scum together and the whole roleblock hullaballoo was just a setup to hide the extra night kill, or the guardian seems really scummy since he is really scum.

That enough?

Based on your recap I'm thinking the guardian, but I want manders to explain why the hell she refused to claim as vanilla like wtf. Solely to soak a roleblock? That's terrible.

Did we massclaim yet?

Im vanilla and Finn

Because there was no case on me, Jones, and I was hoping, what with everyone being convinced I was a PR, that I could fulfill the ultimate goal for a vanilla. Penultimate goal is acceptable, though.

Why didn't you vote?

So instead, you chose to not claim, caused a no-lynch, and instead of rallying for even my own lynch (which would have been better than a no-lynch), you say nothing...

Your goal as a vanilla is also to be the default lynch, to PREVENT a no-lynch from happening. When no one knows what to do in the game, guess which roles they start with first?

@Ximbad: It's funny I say that I will go after anyone for any reason, when in the same paragraph, you mutter that either myself, or PS+ Manders are scum. What you fail to mention is that if I am scum, does that mean both Manders and PS are town, despite PS being a claimed vig. You also don't mention that if I am scum, does that mean that neither of them are?

So instead, you chose to not claim, caused a no-lynch, and instead of rallying for even my own lynch (which would have been better than a no-lynch), you say nothing...

Your goal as a vanilla is also to be the default lynch, to PREVENT a no-lynch from happening. When no one knows what to do in the game, guess which roles they start with first?

@Ximbad: It's funny I say that I will go after anyone for any reason, when in the same paragraph, you mutter that either myself, or PS+ Manders are scum. What you fail to mention is that if I am scum, does that mean both Manders and PS are town, despite PS being a claimed vig. You also don't mention that if I am scum, does that mean that neither of them are?

I mentioned that theory to see if
anyone saw anything that agreed with it. No such luck.

If you're scum that clears phantomS, since both he and manders, then, can't be lying.

The reason that I want to lynch you is your post where you said something like "let's lynch xim or manders or whoever."
Then today you voted ( G_R ), after he claimed doc.

Everything else is details, but those two facts are enough for me. Nothing you've done makes me feel as though you're town.

Is there anything else to discuss? This is dragging on and it's not like it's there's a ton of activity.