[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:54 am

Which is better, extripate or surgical extraction?

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:59 am

they both suck, but surgical costs 0 mana.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:11 am

You think they're not good enough? I want to remove bridge from below, Ichorid etc.

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:18 am

I've never played mono red competitively and never will

Mcdonalds · Postby **Mcdonalds** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:39 am

You think they're not good enough? I want to remove bridge from below, Ichorid etc.

If you're looking to beat up dredge, Relic of Progenitus, RIP and Leyline are much better for doing that.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:23 am

You think they're not good enough? I want to remove bridge from below, Ichorid etc.
If you're looking to beat up dredge, Relic of Progenitus, RIP and Leyline are much better for doing that.

Which has the broadest application?

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:28 am

It really depends on what you're running.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:28 am

For instance, if you're REALLY worried about dredge and are playing a black deck, I'd play Nihil Spellbomb before I played Relic of Progenitus.

Mcdonalds · Postby **Mcdonalds** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:37 am

If you are really worried about dredge and are playing black, Leyline is probably better, you are likely going to mulligan to it (possibly due to having a bad MU without any interaction), and if you are going to mulligan, you may as well go straight for the throat

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:12 pm

More cards that produce Thopters just spoiled. Also an artifact lord. Also a five mana Cataclysm except its caster gets to choose for everyone.

This set is bonkers and I can't wait until the prerelease.

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:42 pm

Depending on what you're running and what you board out yixlid jailer can also be good against dredge, especially if they're on the wispmare plan.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:13 pm

This is my list:

http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/84344

The Surgical / Extripate slot was originally Slaughter Games but I found it sloww enough that I never got to cast it.

Trying to tweak it as I see fit. There is a lot of counter top in my meta.

Mcdonalds · Postby **Mcdonalds** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:58 pm

Definitely Nihil spellbomb

You may try a split between that and graftdiggers cage

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:19 pm

Heard good things about cage too. Basically looking for something that can come in in other matches too.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:36 pm

This is my list:

http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/84344

The Surgical / Extripate slot was originally Slaughter Games but I found it sloww enough that I never got to cast it.

Trying to tweak it as I see fit. There is a lot of counter top in my meta.

Take this from someone who picked up Deadguy Ale a few weeks ago: try an Enlightened Tutor package in your sideboard.

Here's my list for an example (I won a local Legacy event with it):

[deck]
Creatures
4 deathrite shaman
4 dark confidant
4 stoneforge mystic
2 tidehollow sculler

Spells
3 thoughtseize
3 inquisition of kozilek
1 cabal therapy
3 swords to plowshares
3 abrupt decay
3 hymn to tourach
3 liliana of the veil
3 lingering souls
1 umezawa's jitte
1 batterskull

Lands
4 wasteland
3 scrubland
1 bayou
1 savannah
2 windswept heath
2 verdant catacombs
4 marsh flats
3 swamp
2 plains

Sideboard
1 engineered explosives
2 enlightened tutor
1 pithing needle
1 grafdigger's cage
1 rest in peace
2 zealous persecution
1 seal of cleansing
1 spirit of the labyrinth
1 ethersworn cannonist
1 circle of protection: red
1 choke
1 oblivion ring
1 humility
[/deck]

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:48 pm

That's kind of cool.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:56 pm

It's become a popular strategy in decks like Maverick and a lot of Deadguy Ale pilots are adopting the strategy.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:57 pm

Kinda sexy: http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/84365

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:01 pm

Where do you bring in Spirit of the Labarynth?

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:06 pm

Actually, Blood Moon might be better than Choke in my build.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:30 pm

Where do you bring in Spirit of the Labarynth?

Blue decks, Oops All Spells, Show and Tell, Storm, etc.

Mcdonalds · Postby **Mcdonalds** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:33 pm

Choke is better than blood moon right now, Miracles, Omni, and grixis aren't punishing your mana that much, all of which don't care about a resolved blood moon (miracles even being known to play it) and there is less BUG strategies to punish than there were several months ago.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:08 pm

Ok then.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:18 pm

Where are people bringing in Engineered Explosives.

Is Pernacious Deed worth considering?

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:01 pm

Thopters, new Meta

4 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
4 Whirler Rogue
4 Chief Engineer
4 Hangarback Walker
4 Chief of the Foundry
2 Scuttling Doom Engine

1 Obelsik of Urd
2 Thopter Spy Network
4 Springleaf Drum
4 Shrapnel Blast
4 Ensoul Artifact

4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Temple of Epiphany
4 Shivan Reef
1 Island
4 Mountain

Mcdonalds · Postby **Mcdonalds** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:16 pm

Not a fan of deed in nom-control decks

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:07 am

Where are people bringing in Engineered Explosives.

Is Pernacious Deed worth considering?

Deed is better in Deadguy Ale because it's much better at the attrition game than Jund. If you were playing a less aggressive list without Rabblemaster, I'd consider it.

EE comes in against Elves, Lingering Souls decks, Death and Taxes, and matchups where you want a catchall that can also blow up hateful permanents.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:22 am

Basically the same as Engineered Plague then, no?

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:53 am

Thopters, new Meta

4 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
4 Whirler Rogue
4 Chief Engineer
4 Hangarback Walker
4 Chief of the Foundry
2 Scuttling Doom Engine

1 Obelsik of Urd
2 Thopter Spy Network
4 Springleaf Drum
4 Shrapnel Blast
4 Ensoul Artifact

4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Temple of Epiphany
4 Shivan Reef
1 Island
4 Mountain

I'll play that

- though it looks like it would suffer Mana Problem quite badly (its rather heavy).

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:33 am

you have to take what LM says about Legacy with a grain of salt - he plays lands.dec

Col. Khaddafi · Postby **Col. Khaddafi** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:36 am

Yes, but they are mostly Korean

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:52 pm

Basically the same as Engineered Plague then, no?

A more flexible one, yes.

Mcdonalds · Postby **Mcdonalds** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:05 pm

you have to take what LM says about Legacy with a grain of salt - he plays lands.dec

I prefer my level of interaction to be nonexistent

Col. Khaddafi · Postby **Col. Khaddafi** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:51 pm

Then just play High Tide, 'ts what I do

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:59 pm

Shardless4lyfe

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:14 pm

Evolutionary Leap is pretty overpriced. I think SCG had it right at $2 IPO.

Bare in mind the card could go up to $20 at some point (because Standard). I'm saying Birthing Pod was $4 and capped at $10 before it was banned and that this card is not Birthing Pod.

I think it'd be a good idea to buy that card that reduces the cost of Enchantments now. In the short term while Theros is still legal, that card is probably going to go wild for GB. It'd be a good place to shortsell.

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:36 pm

Birthing Pod capped higher than that, didn't it? Wasn't it nearing $20 somewhat recently?

Jack · Postby **Jack** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:16 am

oh hey we're at page 1500

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:57 am

I'm shocked no one here has mentioned #JesseGate.

Dammit, I did though!

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:36 am

Ya blew it

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