[Primer] Boros Burn

[dpaine88]

I will say though with my current SB ( Shouta's but with 1 Mortors),

I lost to G/R a few times lately, all because I had no mortors and they had dragon.

[NotARobot]

I've been running shouta's list with a 2nd mortars over the 2nd reprisal, but admittedly not in any events, only in tournament practice games because I'm out of tix and the season is about to flip.

[Elricity]

Yeah, dropping the second reprisal seemed like a minimum. I could see cutting something for a 3rd mortar depending on meta.

[Longtoe]

I virtually ran shota's list with more mortars at GP chicago. I ended up 3-3 drop I had two round bye so I ended up 5-3. Things I learned, flamespeaker is the truth. This guys wins games on the spot. I also learned that the field was VERY prepared for us. I played a ChannelFB guy on Bg devotion with fucking primeval bounty in the board. I also got the privilege of playing RWB midrange including: obzedat, baron, and brimaz, sin collector. Shota's list is great against any creature based strategy. If I were play in this tournament again knowing what I know, I think Eidolon would have been a better call.

[zemanjaski]

Im wondering if you could just straight up swap Mortars for Reckoners in Shotas list.

From all ive read about the creatures in his SB, it seems like you only WANT reckoner vs monsters, and only WANT falmespeaker vs mono u

Reckoner is also fine vs Burn (especially revel variants), mono black aggro and mono red aggro.

Flamespeaker is also good vs all the above and control.

Reckoner is pretty loose if you're not expecting a lot of GR though.

[zemanjaski]

Reckoner seems horribad vs Mono U

Definitely.

[zemanjaski]

Monsters seems like only matchup Id want Reckoners for. In every other matchup that you can bring in reckoner, I feel like Id rather have mortars.

Just bear in mind that Reckoner is proactive, Mortars is reactive and can't deal 20 to your opponent; so dilly ting threat density is a real problem.

[zemanjaski]

Flamespeaker is retarded. So much card draw.

[zemanjaski]

Well done on wrecking Caleb's shit.

[magicdownunder]

MDU, honest question. Have you tested any of the 3 CMC creatures?

Yes, I was even promoting Boros Reckoner when most people were hating on him at one stage (though I havn't tested Prophetic Flamespeaker)

That said imo I'll still rather have an MM over Prophetic Flamespeaker vs Ux because I rather not risk exiling my own CTTR or BL effect nor do I want a blocker vs a list with unblockable creatures and flyers.

[Lightning_Dolt]

At what point did reckoner stop being bad vs monsters? I can't figure out where you would want it?

[zemanjaski]

Reprisal and Banishing Light being printed.

[magicdownunder]

Last Time

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Got back from my two week break and won two SE event, current rank No. 25 (should be 23) and current rating 1800+ limbo (its 1843 atm).

Here is the list:

[deck=MDU's Rw Burn for MODOs Ghost and Monsters]Lands 23
8 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
3 Mutavault
2 Boros Guildgate
1 Temple of Silence
1 Temple of Malice

Creatures 08
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Enchantments and Removal 05
4 Chained to the Rocks
1 Mizzium Mortars

Burns 24
4 Magma Jet
4 Warleader's Helix
4 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike

Sideboard 15
4 Toil // Trouble
3 Mizzium Mortars
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Banishing Light
1 Keening Apparition
1 Mutavault
1 Reprisal
1 Fated Conflagration[/deck]


Manabase
Why arn't I running Mana Confluence? This version of burn is almost a control deck with the number of removal I'm running in my 75 so I need a REALLY good reason to take all that pain

Why I'm I running 1 Temple of Silence and 1 Temple of Malice? 6 Scry lands = more choices which gives you more chances too either win or lose.

MD Removal Suit
Jund is the current topdog online follow by Bx Devo and Ux Devo so not running 4x Chains and 1x MM would be silly.

SB
2 Banishing Light is a my answer against Ux Devotion (I know lots of you here believe the MU is a bye, but its one of the few MU which can just kill you if you don't have CttR or BL on the spot)

1 Reprisal and 1 Fated Conflagration are for all the Ghost and Monster decks (I wanted too go 2x Reprisal but I felt that I needed that 5th MM for SBD and BBV&#
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3 Mizzium Mortars a must have if your not on the Dancer package

4 Toil // Trouble, 2 Chandra, Pyromaster, 1 Mutavault are my preferred anti-control package

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I count the 1 Keening Apparition as my flex spot, still thinking about it.

SE Report 7223931
G1 Ux Devotion vs Rw Burn SE 7223931
G2 Naya vs Rw Burn SE 7223931
G3 Bant Control vs Rw Burn SE 7223931

Sideboarding is included in the videos but please not this is my first game within two weeks so cards and boarding are pending change.

SE Report 7224516
[url=https://www.
youtube.com/watch?v=ulZWT_3bnL4&list=PLBO2Co_8Gb6zIxGs3g-nnYDy6m7Azu4Ma]G1 Bx Devo vs Rw Burn SE 7224516[/url]
G2 AiR vs Rw Burn SE 7224516
G3 Split

Still prepping for Thursdays MOCS8 Grind-a-Ton so the basic SB guide is still in its works (hopefully I'll get it done by Wednesday).

SE Report 7227206
G1 Esper Control vs Rw Burn SE 7227206
G2 BW Control vs Rw Burn SE 7227206

G3 Naya Aggro vs Rw Burn SE 7227206

Still havn't worked out what 75 I want too take into MOCS8 grind-a-ton and what SB plan to use but it should be fine.

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One of the older video which I left in the back-log, I still have one left (the newer videos will hopefully be up next week):

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[Elricity]

Flamespeaker is retarded. So much card draw.

It's one of the stats I plan on tracking this weekend for sure. Assuming I don't bitch out and go to a party I think is this week? Shrug.

[Elricity]

MDU, honest question. Have you tested any of the 3 CMC creatures?

Yes, I was even promoting Boros Reckoner when most people were hating on him at one stage (though I havn't tested Prophetic Flamespeaker)

That said imo I'll still rather have an MM over Prophetic Flamespeaker vs Ux because I rather not risk exiling my own CTTR or BL effect nor do I want a blocker vs a list with unblockable creatures and flyers.

I meant lately =p. I remember you
running it alongside fanatic as a finisher there for a while.

[Elricity]

And while I"m spamming, for those trying the Shota list, has anyone else tried sneaking in a keening apparation over wear? Haven't seen either enough in my sideboard games to decide if I care for one over the other.

[magicdownunder]

@Elricity: Not lately, I have tried Boros Reckoner in Burn (not just PyroWhite, with FoM).

I don't like Shota's SB for the online meta-game personally but if its working for you guys keep up with it

EDIT: This thread has been a treat, thanks Rhyno

[Elricity]

Oh wow, prices dropping for reckoner (understandable) and flamespeaker enough that I'm willing to buy up the cards online. Glad I sold my set of reckoners for 8 tickets a piece when I did.

[dpaine88]

So thanks to Rcwraspy, I have the cards for MDU's Burn online!!

Grinding for SCG Worcester now.

Deck is so resilient. First match I do is vs Mono Black and game 3 he opens with 2x Duress and 2x Thoughtseize taking every card I had. Yet I pulled it out!!

Username: Dpaine88

[magicdownunder]

So thanks to Rcwraspy, I have the cards for MDU's Burn online!!

Grinding for SCG Worcester now.

Deck is so resilient. First match I do is vs Mono Black and game 3 he opens with 2x Duress and 2x Thoughtseize taking every card I had. Yet I pulled it out!!

Username: Dpaine88

Can you post your username on the DtR Clan thread so Mr Leader can send you an invite (I find it really odd how you can only have 1 person sending invites).

[Rhyno]

Grinding for SCG Worcester now.

Deck is so resilient. First match I do is vs Mono Black and game 3 he opens with 2x Duress and 2x Thoughtseize taking every card I had. Yet I pulled it out!!

Good luck at Worcester, I'd be there but I'm unfortunately travelling to visit family (which has a 0x Planeswalker Points multiplier )

Are you thinking about tweaks for the meta at all?

[magicdownunder]

Are you thinking about tweaks for the meta at all?

I'm curious about the same thing if your running my list you can help me find that sliver bullet vs Jund/Junk/BW/Bg that I'm really looking for (you'll see why we need after you watch my next SE Report where I face two Junk list (Sheep, BBV, GhostDads, Oozes, Devour Flesh, FSP, Angels all horrible possibilities packed into one list.....) and split the finals) we can win but its not fun.....

[LaZerBurn]

So thanks to Rcwraspy, I have the cards for MDU's Burn online!!

Grinding for SCG Worcester now.

Deck is so resilient. First match I do is vs Mono Black and game 3 he opens with 2x Duress and 2x Thoughtseize taking every card I had. Yet I pulled it out!!

Username: Dpaine88

Can you post your username on the DtR Clan thread so Mr Leader can send you an invite (I find it really odd how you can only have 1 person sending invites).

I'll send the
invite as soon as I log on after down time

[NotARobot]

Can I get an invite as well? Notarobot on mtgo

[LaZerBurn]

Can I get an invite as well? Notarobot on mtgo

Yep, I'll send it after down time

[dpaine88]

As far as tweaks, mostly just making sure I am running 4 Chained and 1 Mortors.

Seems to always be a lot of Black, Blue and Monsters -at least at SCG Prov. Some control too but usually not much aggro. Not much Junk or Naya either.

I think we are in a good spot because B/g is turning back towards Mono Black so Chained is as good as it used to be with less Abrupt Decay.

Lately in paper, I have been testing the Shouta sideboard but dont have $$ for Flamesspeaker or Reckoner(though he's cheap I'd want both creatures or none).
So online I am testing with MDU sideboard.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Reprisal and Banishing Light being printed.

Which do not interact with Stormbreath Dragon... what am I missing?

[magicdownunder]

I guess you can still point two burns at the SBD (which is a tad wasteful considering that the list doesn't run Searing Bloods), that said Reprisal does help with the Ghor-Clan Rampager issue.

[BrainsickHater]

Neither does Reckoner. Reckoner wasn't great before because he wasn't an effective stumbling block to the large ground creatures from monsters decks on his own. Reckoner doesn't matter all that much when you're opponent just has 3 other beaters waiting in the wings. With Banishing Light and Reprisal you have enough removal to make Reckoner a significant board presence, and you still have double burn and some number of mortars as answers to Stormbreath Dragon.

EDIT: Ghor-Clan also made Reckoner embarrassing but Reprisal makes Ghor-Clan embarrassing.

[Purp]

After playing 3 8-mans (2-0 split, 2-1, 3-0) and the Daily (2-2) last night I have changed my list a bit (SB really).

[deck]
4 Chandra's Pheonix
4 YP$

4 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 WLH
1 Mizzium Mortars

3 Chains
1 Banishing Light

4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
3 Mutavault
1 Mana Confluence
2 Boros Guildgate
1 Temple of Silence
8 Mountain

SB
[set]
2 Chandra
1 Chain

[fluctuations on expected meta]
3 Toil//Trouble
1 Wear/Tear (I feel like I am needing this card less and less)
3 Mizzium Mortars
1 Reprisal

[test]
3 Flamespeaker
1 Banishing Light
[/deck]

I ended up winning 2 and losing 1 to mono u. I have found the hardest draws to beat contain multiple tidebinders. I really enjoyed the 1 banishing light MD over the 4th chain, it is basically the same as a 4th answers to master in game 1, but it also allows me to exile a thassa, which can
be huge.

I am expecting Mono U to be huge at my two upcoming IQs, so I am looking for some ways to make this matchup better. I have noticed though, without the inclusion of searing blood, I find it much harder to try and race them. Previously, I was able to look at both the boardstate and my hand to determine if the race was possible. Any ideas on this?
(this is why I am about to begin testing flamespeaker, but I AM worried about exiling crucial cards like MDU said)

I am off of the 1 drop plan for now if I continue to see a shift towards 4x Pharikas Cure. I am hoping possibly Flamespeaker (doesn't die to Cure or Drown) can help remedy this (if black players will continue to cut down on devour, and bile blight this might help Flamespeaker stick around longer).

Control players are really implementing leaving up dispel mana, so I am hoping the Toils work out( I might cut it up to 4 simply because if you hit t3 toil into t4 toil, it's almost impossible to lose that match). Question for people
playing Flame speaker: It's postboard G2 (Against CONTROL), your opponent is tapped out on your turn 3, are you playing phoenix or flamespeaker first?

[rage_jl]

[cards]3 Boros Reckoner
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Prophetic Flamespeaker
2 Keening Apparition
1 Reprisal
1 Banishing Light
1 Chained to the Rocks
1 Wear // Tear[/cards]

This is my current SB online and paper. The WT, FS, and KA are all flex in one direction or another. If I feared Ghostdad more I would probably include another Reprisal or a Fated. But for an open metagame like an SCG IQ or online play I feel this is pretty well rounded. (MB has 4 shock, 3 CTTR, 1 BL, 1 MM)

[rage_jl]

@Purp I play the Phoenix first he puts damage on the board this turn and can eat removal making it safe to drop the FS after stabilizing. But it really depends on what the opponent is playing.

[Purp]

edited it to make it more clear that the opponent is on control.

[Elricity]

It's postboard G2 (Against CONTROL), your opponent is tapped out on your turn 3, are you playing phoenix or flamespeaker first?

Almost always the phoenix.

Your gameplan game 2 is to counterspell Jace asap, gas your opponent out, and then resolve Flamespeaker, preferably with mana open, since he does a more powerful Chandra impersonation. You'd have to read your opponent on zero answers to flamespeaker to want to land him first.

Now here's the hard part. The answer if he all his mana open on his turn 3 is to do nothing which is counter to how people have been playing of slamming phoenix into removal. You want him to Jace turn 4, burn it end of turn, then finish it with phoenix if at all possible. You're not racing with this sideboard.

nThis assumes your hand isn't heavy on banishing light/disenchant.

I'm still getting a grasp on the planar cleansing build.

[dpaine88]

So you guys bringing in Flamespeaker vs Control - do you wait till after turn 4 to drop him so you can kill Jace?

[NotARobot]

I've had fun running the shouta list but the SB could definitely be stronger against control. I'll probably end up dropping the reckoners - Purp that list you posted above is almost exactly what I had in mind, t//t and more mortars instead for the midrange vamps.

[Elricity]

So you guys bringing in Flamespeaker vs Control - do you wait till after turn 4 to drop him so you can kill Jace?

You should have better things to be doing than dropping an early flamespeaker but it does depend on your hand I suppose. It performs better when hands start thinning on both sides which is something I feel burn has lacked gainst control. It is definitely a play style shift.

[Khaospawn]

I find it funny that everyone is literally picking apart that Shouta list when the man played it in one tournament over 3 weeks ago and probably had a very good read on the metagame. I'm sure that if he were to play Boros Burn again, it'd look completely different and we would all spend the next 3 weeks wondering why he chose a different set of 4 cards in his 15 card sideboard.

[Purp]

We took a successful list, and are breaking it down 3 weeks later to adapt to the metagame we face today. Is that not the point of the forums?

I am simply looking for ways to have more cards that shift Mono U towards my favor (it has decreased with the cut of Searing Blood[might warrant coming back in]) as well as the control matchup which has dramatically shifted over the 3 weeks. (No Dspheres, who would of thought that would ever happen.)

Not sure what we are doing wrong here, Val.

edit: random thought: I wonder what would be better vs Mono U, Eidolon or Flamespeaker?

[Elricity]

Flamespeaker, by far, embarasses mono blue while Eidolon can be a liability. It leaves mono blue either letting you draw cards, which removes their dudes, or blocking, which with burn, removes their dudes anyway. Their best hope is to hit it with domestication.

The only deck Eidolon is decisively better against is the mirror. I'm aware people are inclined to believe the latter is far better against control but I still think it's more even or even favoring flamespeaker slightly.

About the non d-sphere control version, anyone know what their general game 2 board is against burn? I assume they don't want to drop all their cleansings since I doubt Chandra coming in is a secret anymore. I assume verdicts still come out for a more creature plan. It seems like my last couple opponents had zero enchantments which leaves me a couple flex spots that I had assumed were a lock.