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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:48 am
by LP, of the Fires
Hushwyng Gryff seems like the sweetest sideboard card.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:50 am
by hamfactorial
A card with no CMC (
Living End, for example) triggers Eidolon when cast, since 0<3. Playing a creature morphed uses the stack normally, but paying the morph cost and turning it face-up is an independent non-stack game action.
tl;dr you're taking 2 brah
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:52 am
by Lightning_Dolt
But it's kind of fail since no cost =/= zero.
It's not like you walk into walmart, can't find a tag on something and it's free lol.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:54 am
by LP, of the Fires
If we continue down this road, I think we'll just end up debating the philosophy of nothingness.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:57 am
by BlakLanner
202.3a The converted mana cost of an object with no mana cost is 0.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:57 am
by hamfactorial
Cards with no CMC can't be cast the usual way (Living End, Restore Balance) and need some special mechanic to put them on the stack like Suspend or Morph.
A card's CMC isn't always related to what you pay to cast it (Flame Javelin, Reaper King).
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:58 am
by hamfactorial
If we continue down this road, I think we'll just end up debating the philosophy of nothingness.
Ve believe in nossing!
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:02 am
by LP, of the Fires
I should try Ashcloud Phoenix in more decks. Flying over rhino is close to good enough.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:09 am
by BlakLanner
If my RWU deck goes more midrange style, I know I will want a pair myself.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:36 am
by Jack
Zem's UR Delver feat. Treasure Cruise list looks pretty good. I like how you can essentially go into "fire at will" mode once you know you'll get to draw 3 in 2 turns.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:36 am
by Kaitscralt
Why did my sweet Zem burn get ignored in favor of a FoS flailing
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:37 am
by Kaitscralt
It was golden
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:46 am
by Self Medicated
Nobody remembers what happened 3-4 pages ago.
On an unrelated note, I just finished a bottle of Brother Thelonious belgian style ale and I'm feeling fine and dandy.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:08 am
by Alex
If we continue down this road, I think we'll just end up debating the philosophy of nothingness.
Ve believe in nossing!
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:11 am
by hamfactorial
If we continue down this road, I think we'll just end up debating the philosophy of nothingness.
Ve believe in nossing!
We fucks you up, Lebowski!
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:32 am
by DarthStabber
If we continue down this road, I think we'll just end up debating the philosophy of nothingness.
You say that like it's a bad thing. We should all strive to be
one with nothing .
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:37 am
by Yarpus
BRB, on my quest to become uber-trash.
But you know, we have Shrapnel Blast in format. And Darksteel Citadel. And Hammer of Purphoros.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:54 am
by Alex
BRB, on my quest to become uber-trash.
But you know, we have Shrapnel Blast in format. And Darksteel Citadel. And Hammer of Purphoros.
And
Aggressive Mining.
And
Mountain.
And
Master of Waves.
And other cards.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:02 am
by Yarpus
You're no fun.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:33 am
by Christen
I'm gonna run with Butcher and then proceed to get trashed by my teammate's Ensoul deck.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:36 am
by TBuzzsaw
I was helping a friend make a budget Mono White Heroic when I came up with this list:
[deck]Creatures
4 Soldier of the Pantheon
4 Favored Hoplite
4 Phalanx Leader
3 Ainok Bond-Kin
3 Fabled Hero
3 Abzan Falconer
2 High Sentinels of Arashin
Spells
4 Gods Willing
4 Defiant Strike
4 Ajani's Presence
3 Mortal's Ardor
22 Plains
Sideboard
2 Ajani Steadfast
2 Akroan Skyguard
3 Return to the Ranks
2 Spear of Heliod
3 Suspension Field
2 Launch the Fleet
1 Deicide
[/deck]
It still needs some adjustments but I think it has potential to be REALLY good and the sideboard's a mess. Any opinions?
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:58 am
by Alex
I was helping a friend make a budget Mono White Heroic when I came up with this list:
[deck]Creatures
4 Soldier of the Pantheon
4 Favored Hoplite
4 Phalanx Leader
3 Ainok Bond-Kin
3 Fabled Hero
3 Abzan Falconer
2 High Sentinels of Arashin
Spells
4 Gods Willing
4 Defiant Strike
4 Ajani's Presence
3 Mortal's Ardor
22 Plains
Sideboard
2 Ajani Steadfast
2 Akroan Skyguard
3 Return to the Ranks
2 Spear of Heliod
3 Suspension Field
2 Launch the Fleet
1 Deicide
[/deck]
It still needs some adjustments but I think it has potential to be REALLY good and the sideboard's a mess. Any opinions?
Yes, play red or green with it. I came to basically the same conclusions, Heroic as a mechanic seems pretty strong now.
Red
offers some good combat tricks as well as
Anax and Cymede.
Green offers
Reap What is Sown and [card]Mortal's Resolve[/card], as well as
Boon Satyr and
Hero of Ioras if you want to go the enchantment route.
Setessan Tactics is also insane in the deck.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:36 am
by Khaospawn
Thanks for answering my Morph/Eidolon question, guys.
I should try Ashcloud Phoenix in more decks. Flying over rhino is close to good enough.
You definitely should! It's like, my favorite card right now for that very reason.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:48 am
by Khaospawn
[deck]
Creature 20
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 War-Name Aspirant
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Ashcloud Phoenix
Spells 18
4 Titan's Strength
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Arc Lightning
4 Stoke the Flames
Land 22
22 Mountain
[/deck]
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:03 am
by Platypus
What are the big tournaments to watch for results before PT Honolulu and GP LA? I'm going to GP Stockholm the week after GP LA, and I'd like to have some decent information where the metagame is heading before that.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:06 am
by LP, of the Fires
2 SCGs this weekend I think, then PT, then GP LA.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:45 am
by Col. Khaddafi
If we continue down this road, I think we'll just end up debating the philosophy of nothingness.
Ve believe in nossing!
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2k44tfoh]
We fucks you up, Lebowski!
Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:47 am
by RedNihilist
If we continue down this road, I think we'll just end up debating the philosophy of
nothingness.
Ve believe in nossing!
We fucks you up, Lebowski!
Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Shouldn't we, like, hang out or go to dinner or something before that?
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:14 am
by zemanjaski
Treasure Cruise will be oppressive in modern.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:16 am
by LP, of the Fires
And by oppressive, we mean banned right before or immideatly after the next modern pro tour, or 6 months, whichever comes first.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:22 am
by zemanjaski
Yup. UR Delver is the best deck in the format now, by some margin.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:03 am
by Khaospawn
Well it's been no bed of roses
Without Treasure Cruise
If I could have Young Pyromancer in every format
Then I'd never lose!
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:41 am
by Lightning_Dolt
And you'd get to Draw! And Draw! And Draw! And Draw!
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:44 am
by Platypus
I fully intend to test Treasure Cruise in UR Storm. And by testing I of course mean thinking about it in my head, and shuffle the deck a bit in front of the telly.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:47 am
by Khaospawn
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:29 pm
by Kaitscralt
If Treasure Cruise gets banned or warps a format I will send signed cards to everyone.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:39 pm
by DerWille
[deck]
Creature 20
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 War-Name Aspirant
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Ashcloud Phoenix
Spells 18
4 Titan's Strength
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Arc Lightning
4 Stoke the Flames
Land 22
22 Mountain
[/deck]
I like this Khaos. It seems like it'll run right through anyone who stumbles or any annoying green cards. Have you tried running some number of Stormbreath/Sarkhan in this shell? If you did, how'd it go?
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:59 pm
by RedNihilist
If Treasure Cruise gets banned or warps a format I will send signed cards to everyone.
It's definitely eligible for the pauper nine list.
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:06 pm
by Tyrael
Also, Burn loses to Siege Rhino
I think 2-3 Hushwing Gryff in the sb will be mandatory for burn if it turns out to be a viable strategy in this metagame
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:20 pm
by Jack
Ohshitthisisinpauper
