Dies to Removal

same. LGS had a binder full of them at $1 each. I bought my playset and thought about just buying them out (would probably have been around 30 copies) but didn't pull the trigger. Wish I had - could have gotten all the fetches off that.

Ok people, start churning out red aggro decks. I'm unhappy with all of mine and I need ideas.

I haven't exactly been following standard. Is there a red spell for under 4 mana that kills pretty much everything in the format, or is tempo red pretty much a lost cause?

Aw, shit, we lose YP$. Back to modern.

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... oros-burn/

So what was the tell on that particular Advent of the Wurm player?

Probably passing too quickly or too slowly.

I haven't exactly been following standard. Is there a red spell for under 4 mana that kills pretty much everything in the format, or is tempo red pretty much a lost cause?

Battlecruiser Magic is back in full swing.

Who is the best player in the clan at making manabases?

Ok people, start churning out red aggro decks. I'm unhappy with all of mine and I need ideas.

[deck]
3 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
2 Altac Bloodseeker
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Stormbreath Dragon
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
25 Mountain
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
3 Searing Blood
2 Magma Spray
2 Crater's Claws
1 Howl of the Horde
[/deck]

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... oros-burn/

So what was the tell on that particular Advent of the Wurm player?

Visible change in body language.

Even after much testing LP, big red is soft to courser/nissa decks. not soft, but if they go courser into nissa, its very tough to race.


I am down to help brew a rabble list. I havnt tested enough with titans str variants, but i would like to try to make purphros and hordeling outburst work.

My store hosts an IQ this saturday, wtf. lvl 0 with rabble because mono b aggro loses to rabble. (I REALLY like bloodsoaked champion)

Best mana-base builders would probably be Me, Pedros, and Zem.

@Purp: If you want to play mono-black and still beat rabble red, either board 4 pharika's cure, or play rakdos and board some number of pharika's cure+arc lightning.

Arc lightning is basically the best sideboard card in the set.

^ what he said

[deck]4 Bloodsoaked Champion
4 Tormented Hero
4 Gnarled Scarhide
4 Mardu-Skullhunter
4 Spiteful Returned
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Herald of Torment

3 Hero's Downfall
3 Stoke the Flames
2 Lightning Strike
1 Murderous Cut

4 Fetch
4 Temple
4 Mountain
1 Urborg
8 Swamp
2 Confluence

4 Thoughtseize
3 Arc Trail
2 Pharika's Cure
1 Agent of Erebos
3 Mogis's Maruaders
1 Dark Betrayel
1 Flex slot. Peak eruption if you're just that assehole. [/deck]

[deck]4 Bloodsoaked Champion
4 Tormented Hero
4 Gnarled Scarhide
4 Mardu-Skullhunter
4 Spiteful Returned
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Herald of Torment

3 Hero's Downfall
3 Stoke the Flames
2 Lightning Strike
1 Murderous Cut

4 Fetch
4 Temple
4 Mountain
1 Urborg
8 Swamp
2 Confluence

4 Thoughtseize
3 Arc Trail
2 Pharika's Cure
1 Agent of Erebos
3 Mogis's Maruaders
1 Dark Betrayel
1 Flex slot. Peak eruption if you're just that assehole. [/deck]

I think I just peed a little.

I haven't been too impressed with herald, but the list is very similar to what I have been playing (basically a few tweaks to hooglands list ie: skullhunter over master).

edit: I'd like to add atleast 2 of magma jet.

I have been enjoying this list, granted it's a little more casual.

Should probably just cut the doom engine/engineer package for illusory angel, more ensoul artifact and a tighter package.

Engines great, engineer isn't

That looks like a lot of fun, Purp.

Chief Engineer is def hard to pull off. Doom engine is still good because games tend to go long. Daring Thief imo is the worst card.

edit: I agree in cutting atleast 1 doom enigne though

LP, do you think War-Name Aspirant might find a spot in your list?

LP, do you think War-Name Aspirant might find a spot in your list?

Card is amazing in the current 2 drop slot.

Sure, go for it.

just got hosed by 10-12 black 1 drop, 4 magma jet, 4 stoke, mardu ascendacy and butcher list...gross. first time encountering butcher, he is def deadly.

Sure, go for it.

Only thing I'm having trouble with is what to cut? I don't want to cut either Skullhunter or Spiteful. Their abilities are pretty great.

Not sure if Id play it in a black based list, i thought you were talking about red base. I think you could just cut one of each and put in 2 if you wanted to try it.

Best mana-base builders would probably be Me, Pedros, and Zem.

Um, Ham...?

That table diesnt actually teach you to build a manabase.

That table diesnt actually teach you to build a manabase.

You don't need to learn to build a mana base when you can have Microsoft Excel build you the most mathematically accurate mana base available?

No.

It just tells you how many of each colour you need; it doesn't look at the available mana in the format or your mana curve and construct the mana base for you.

Seriously, I'm sure that sometimes you're deliberately dimwitted.

Ok people, start churning out red aggro decks. I'm unhappy with all of mine and I need ideas.

I've been playing around with a token theme, I have two ideas. Probably aren't that amazing but whatever.

[deck]Rw Token Burn[/deck]

Untested but the idea is to go through Courser/Caryatid with Swiftspear + spells. Uses Token Spells +
Rabblemaster to burn at Purphoros. Or just say fuck it and fly over with Stormbreath.

[deck]RW That Solider Deck From the Protour[/deck]

This is adapting the Rw soldier deck from the protour for the new standard. The basic idea is to vomit your hand, play a pump spell and just push through every bit of damage that you can.

Ride Down is a good card.

Who is the best player in the clan at making manabases?

Here ya go:

[deck]
Land 20
20 Mountain
[/deck]

Ok people, start churning out red aggro decks. I'm unhappy with all of mine and I need ideas.

Same.

Although, here's what I've learned/confirmed with my 2 afternoons of playtesting:

- Ashcloud Phoenix is the real deal.

- A Flamespeaker bestowed with a Warhound is pretty much GG.

- If you're going to play Swiftie, play Titan's Strength fo sho.

- Arc Lightning destroys the little Black Aggro deck

- Hordeling Outburst is fucking absurd.

- War-Name Ass Pirate is great, but causing sequencing issues with things like Foundry Street Denizen.

No.

It just tells you how many of each colour you need; it doesn't look at the available mana in the format or your mana curve and construct the mana base for you.

Seriously, I'm sure that sometimes you're deliberately dimwitted.

Spoken like a true simpleton. If you know how to use Excel it can do some unimaginable things. There have been manabase spreadsheets for a long time that can make corrections for duals, fetches, and curve.

Sometimes I'm sure that you're deliberately a fucking jerkoff without even so much as checking to see if you're wrong.

Next thing you know we're going to be picking our mana bases based on "
feelings" and playing Purge the Profane! All thanks to our fearless leader Zemanjaski!

I knew most of that, though the hordeling thing is something I was unsure of.

Probably gonna jam war-name into Br agro since that's the best shell with the least bad synergies.

Outburst is very much a build -around card, but it's very synergistic with things like Denizen, Rabblemaster, and Stoke

Who is the best player in the clan at making manabases?

Here ya go:

[deck]
Land 20
20 Mountain
[/deck]

You forgot one thing:

I completely forgot Warhound and Flamespeaker were cards.

No.

It just tells you how many of each colour you need; it doesn't look at the available mana in the format or your mana curve and construct the mana base for you.

Seriously, I'm sure that sometimes you're deliberately dimwitted.

Spoken like a true simpleton. If you know how to use Excel it can do some unimaginable things. There have been manabase spreadsheets for a long time that can make corrections for duals, fetches, and curve.

Sometimes I'm sure that you're deliberately a fucking jerkoff without even so much as checking to see if you're wrong.

Next thing you know we're going to be picking our mana bases based on "feelings" and playing Purge the Profane! All thanks to our fearless leader Zemanjaski!

Do you even Purge, bro?