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LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:21 am

It's actually just as bad as you think it is

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:35 pm

Long time lurker so bear with me guys. I've had the hardest time against jund/rock. Any tips/suggestions on how to approach the matchup? Are dismembers and relics the appropriate cards to bring in?

Jund is pretty hard, but not unwinnable. Blood Moon is also a nice option to have against them.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:02 pm

I've got the deck sleeved up, hopefully have some time to test between rounds at the prerelease. Hope to get a pool that's better than last night. I got stuck with a green box, and to quote Z, it was "hot garbage".

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:09 pm

Bought a playset of Prophetic Flamespeaker last night to test out, was the most bonkers thing to happen since gluten-free pizza dough.

10/10 would turn sideways

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:20 pm

I was able to jam a half dozen games vs the Rock and that match up seemed about 40/60. Mogg Fanatic seemed pretty underwhelming, but maybe it's just in that match up.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:40 pm

@ham- I used my winnings from last Monday's Modern tournament to buy a set of Flamespeakers. I can't wait to try them out in any format.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:45 pm

I brewed up a really interesting deck featuring Flamespeakers, Dark Confidant, Chandra and Lili plus some Swords. I was drowning in CA in testing, Flamespeakers are absurd in a deck that can easily remove blockers (a specialty of [mana]RB[/mana]).

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:47 pm

The Jund/Rock/Junk matchup is definitely your worst out of everything tier 1 and you basically need to hit some combination of your nut opener to win. The fact that they can answer shrine is pretty backbreaking.

Twin, affinity, and various control decks are all favorable, and Pod is either slightly favorable or slightly unfavorable, depending on their list, but close to 50/50 either way. If you add pillar of flame to your deck, it's firmly positive.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:03 pm

I found holding up three mana with the shrine in play was often correct.

GoblinWarchief · Postby **GoblinWarchief** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:54 pm

Against B/G/x you have either to screw their manabase hard (blood moon, molten rain) or to win fast. You can't win the long game due to their superior card advantage paired with big creatures that gain life (courser, ooze).

BiddingMaster · Postby **BiddingMaster** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:20 pm

So what sideboard cards are we running for the jund/junk decks? I need to retool my sideboard but im down to like 9 tickets now so I dont have the option of switching. Mine right now is
4 pyrite spellbomb
3 molten rain
1 combust
2 relic
2 dragon's claw
2 smash to smithereens
1 shattering spree

I want to drop some of the spellbombs. I just dont really think that killing etched champion is relevant to justify 4 cards against it
so going forward i want to drop two bombs for another molten rain and two dismember.

BiddingMaster · Postby **BiddingMaster** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:39 pm

i played against twin earlier today and I dont think that rift bolt is bad. I had an oppoenent t1 kill mogg fanatic with lightning bolt. we have plenty of disruption coupled with alot of incidental damage that just adds up as nicholas heal said. they can only land deceiver really with all of our searing effects and we still have dismember. Im not sure what you guys have in your mainboard but I take out skullcrack since it really doesnt do anything and one searing blaze since it does so little and im only running one to begin with. i think with just the dismember as backup for the deceiver we should have enough game to where we just burn them out. Also how many spellbombs are you guys running anyway?

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:56 pm

4 Spellbombs.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:57 pm

Did you mean in the sideboard or brought in against Twin?

I don't bring in any against Twin, but some like it over Rift Bolt.

xdavisx · Postby **xdavisx** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:11 pm

I'm not sure if any of you guys watched caleb durward's latest 'banned series' video. In one of the matches he was playing against RDW and he noted that it was Heal's list. Caleb was cool enough to hook it up

Heal's list

sorry for the size, but it also has two shrines in the board.
http://i.imgur.com/c4W1JRm.jpg

Added spoiler tags for people browsing on mobile. The image just about crashed my phone's browser, lol. -Alex

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:15 pm

Flames of the Blood Hand is so awesome.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:56 pm

To call it "Heal's list" is somewhat stretching it, but you can tell that's where the deck started from. It appears to be taking on more of a burn approach, eschewing the Fanatics and Molten Rains for more Bolt action.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:02 pm

I played Heal's list again on Monday going 3-1. I had a BYE since there was 9 players. I beat Zoo and UWR, but punted a game to some stupid Ad Nauseam/Lightning Storm deck. All I had to do was sac a Mogg Fanatic in the dude's upkeep to win and I blew it. I'm surprised you guys didn't hear my punt heard 'round the world. Just call me Ray Finkle from now on....

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:06 pm

The laces were in!

xdavisx · Postby **xdavisx** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:32 pm

To call it "Heal's list" is somewhat stretching it, but you can tell that's where the deck started from. It appears to be taking on more of a burn approach, eschewing the Fanatics and Molten Rains for more Bolt action.

Watch caleb's videos. He says the guy got the list from "his friend" Heal. I'm just sharing a potential updated list since it peaked my interest when I was watching it.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:40 pm

Got my foil Rift Bolts and Lava Spikes from Khaos today. Thanks!

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:42 pm

To call it "Heal's list" is somewhat stretching it, but you can tell that's where the deck started from. It appears to be taking on more of a burn approach, eschewing the Fanatics and Molten Rains for more Bolt action.

Watch caleb's videos. He says the guy got the list from "his friend" Heal. I'm just sharing a potential updated list since it peaked my interest when I was watching it.

Interesting. Much appreciated on sharing it, definitely.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:43 pm

Got my foil Rift Bolts and Lava Spikes from Khaos today. Thanks!

I'm surprised that it took exactly a week though. Damn USPS.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:44 pm

The laces were in!

Roger Podactor didn't commit suicide. He was *makes random facial expressions and head bobs from side to side* MURDERED!

NerdBoyWonder · Postby **NerdBoyWonder** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:31 am

Looks like I will be taking RDW to the PTQ in San Diego next month with the way Kiki Control has been panning out. Could just rock affinity or Zoo also.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:42 am

Looks like I will be taking RDW to the PTQ in San Diego next month with the way Kiki Control has been panning out. Could just rock affinity or Zoo also.

I know those feels

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:42 am

Don't play zoo.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:45 am

I'm not sure if any of you guys watched caleb durward's latest 'banned series' video. In one of the matches he was playing against RDW and he noted that it was Heal's list. Caleb was cool enough to hook it up

Heal's list
sorry for the size, but it also has two shrines in the board.
http://i.imgur.com/c4W1JRm.jpg

Added spoiler tags for people browsing on mobile. The image just about crashed my phone's browser, lol. -Alex

I like the looks of this, but not sure I like cutting Molten Rain. Card has been
quite good...

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:53 am

The decks are functionally different. When you're playing burn, you're not trying to disrupt your opponent. You're not even trying to interact, hence playing cards like Flames of the bloodhand and skullcrack. TO THE FACE I SAY!

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:11 am

Don't play Zoo, don't play Kiki Control. You're welcome.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:36 am

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:43 am

My experiences with kiki control have been mostly positive.

Ya'll nigga's suck.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:00 am

I trust you to win with a ham sandwich. Kiki control is turd.

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:09 am

To call it "Heal's list" is somewhat stretching it, but you can tell that's where the deck started from. It appears to be taking on more of a burn approach, eschewing the Fanatics and Molten Rains for more Bolt action.

That was my mistake, I didn't really know what to call it and I had to put something in the spoiler tag to get it to work.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:30 am

How does rift bolt interact with Eidolon? Does it trigger when you cast for free?

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:31 am

Cmc is still three, so I'm guessing, yes?

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:33 am

It still triggers

NerdBoyWonder · Postby **NerdBoyWonder** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:35 am

My experiences with kiki control have been mostly positive.

Ya'll nigga's suck.

My experience has been polarizing. Either extremely well or extremely poor. When I approach playing or picking a deck I want consistency if anything. I don't think the deck is the biggest 60 card steaming pile like Zem is suggesting but the deck is pulling in 2 directions that hurt its consistency but I see the power in its interactions.

The thing is I know my play style and kiki control was my attempt to try new territory and branch out but I am not a type of player that sits and reacts to eventually take control of the match. I like to apply pressure and force my opponent to fumble and capitalize on their screw ups. Hence UWR control in any form is
not a deck that suits me. Combo or aggro is where I tend to sit.

NerdBoyWonder · Postby **NerdBoyWonder** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:36 am

How does rift bolt interact with Eidolon? Does it trigger when you cast for free?

It still triggers even when it is suspended. It won't trigger when you suspend it but when it is casted from suspension the CMC is still 3 even if it was not paid since Eidolon of Great Revel's trigger does not care about mana spent on the spell but on what the cost of the card is.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:06 am

My experiences with kiki control have been mostly positive.

Ya'll nigga's suck.
My experience has been polarizing. Either extremely well or extremely poor. When I approach playing or picking a deck I want consistency if anything. I don't think the deck is the biggest 60 card steaming pile like Zem is suggesting but the deck is pulling in 2 directions that hurt its consistency but I see the power in its interactions.

The thing is I know my play style and kiki control was my attempt to try new territory and branch out but I am not a type of player that sits and reacts
to eventually take control of the match. I like to apply pressure and force my opponent to fumble and capitalize on their screw ups. Hence UWR control in any form is not a deck that suits me. Combo or aggro is where I tend to sit.

This. Exactly my feelings too.

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