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Sene's just Norwegian.

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Hi everyone,

I would like to open a discussion regarding the staff decision to stifle the use of "the gay kings" when describing Kyanios and Tiro of Meletis in response to some of the feedback and criticism we have received.

When the Kings were first spoiled a few days ago from the front of the C16 packaging, it was unclear what their names were, but it was obvious that they were the kings being depicted on Guardians of Meletis. Without a proper name, 'the gay kings' was quickly used because it was an apt description: they are kings, and they also happen to be gay. MTGS's stance on inappropriate language is that there are certain words which have offensive as well as inoffensive uses, and should be judged based on context. For example, "that man is gay", is acceptable (assuming it is a true statement), but "that deck is gay" would be against the rules. In this case, I acted as I did and ordered the staff to stop the use of this term for three reasons: the first was the context of the posts, or lack thereof. There is no question that it is true that the kings are gay, but by and large the majority of posts were devoid of context and the card was reduced to being just about the characters sexuality. Other posts were capitalizing on this and making jokes based on stereotypical traits of gay men. Secondly, but tied into the first concern I had, was the speed at which posts were being made due to the card having been newly spoiled. I acted fast, and the fastest way to react was to make a blanket request that the term not be used at all. Lastly, I was not trying to stop people from discussing their sexuality. I think it is great that WotC is so aware of the many different people who play this game and want their worlds to be an accurate reflection of the real world. My only intention was that the specific nickname not be used, just as we should not be acceptable of Alesha, Narset, or Teferi to be reduced to one aspect of their character when discussing their cards.

I realize that this comes off as heavy-handed moderation and for that I do apologize. But in the end, I feel that being slightly heavy-handed at times is preferable to being lax. One of the things I pride our site on is that we are (for the most part) more civilized than other sites where the moderation is minimal and users are free to be jerks to each other without repercussion.

users are free to be jerks to each other without repercussion.

He is in NewYork.

They are gunning for the "Most polite dead MTG site" award

This is a bull***** copout of staggering proportions. By that reasoning, I'd be derailing the Sidar Kondo thread by talking about how it's a cool callback to Mirage and Jamuraa. It's like the mods don't even know the rules to which they're supposed to abide. There's no consistency, just a bunch of "I don't like that, better lock it."

Perfectly fine and valid discussions are often censored or stifled because some mod needed to throw their weight around. We get it, you have authority over a website. We're all very impressed.

The fact that this discussion is necessary is offensive to me.

Now I prefer in the future that the term "white" is also no longer used to describe certain qualities. I'm a white person myself and I wish to stress that I have in no way the lack of intelligence that gideon shows.
As such I would request the moderation team to censor the term "white" in conjuncture with gideon. - Just like we can't label "gay" at cards I wish for racial parts to also be removed from card mentioning here.

Why not let the jokes run its course, in a few days everyone ran out of these and we can continu business as usual?

Lolwut?

MTGS still protecting other people's sensibiliies

I too feel this moderation was in very bad taste. To stifle the use of the word gay as an attack on other members is great - in fact, I was the person who started that rule, about a decade ago.
But to stifle (and punish) the use of the word gay when that is EXACTLY the correct description of the characters on the Magic card in question? That's homophobic!
I was punished in the "kings" thread for making a play on words using the word "butt", based on the creature having 8 toughness (commonly referred to as "butt"). A moderator claimed I had made a flame attack. Against who, a Magic card? All gay people? Of course not. The creature depicts gay men, and that's awesome. My brother would LOVE that card. And no, that's not a flame attack against my brother.
We should mature a little. It's 2016 and it's okay to be gay. It's even okay to correctly point out that a Magic character is gay, or use the word "butt". There's literally no harm to anyone.
The harm is when overzealous moderators stifle discussion and then attempt to cover up their poor decision by claiming "it's better to overmoderate than undermoderate". In this case, it was hurtful and wrong to moderate. An apology to the affected members (and the gay community) should be made.

"It's better to over moderate" o_O

Moderate without moderation.

In his defense, Sene rarely (if ever?) "talked shit" about people. I always found him quite respectful, albeit weak-spined.

He's good people. Just no-so-much good leadership due to his non-confrontational nature.

A reasonable assessment

who gets more traffic? us or mtgs?

MTGS may be a zombie of its former self, but it's not outright dead.

Are you saying DTR is outright dead?

Yes. Only the maggots remain.

I hope that's not a typo, or I'll fight you.

Anyway, as far as MTGS goes, better dead than red

And this site may be festering with maggots but lets not forget that the oldschool gutter got a healthy dose of Zyklon-B before going straight into the oven. At least here you can still contemplate the remains.

Hahaha

Batman and Robin?

I just read an article talking about how society may have moved from proven fact to personal opinion/alternative facts. For example Shaq has come out and said that he be lives that the world is flat and not round and his personal opinion over rides proven fact. Another example of an alternative fact is that members of this site are cowards and scumbags who maliciously attack the city of New York in silent protest while having ghadaffi avatars.

Tell us the trufax, Blackhound.

Tell us the trufax, Blackhound.

The leak is Nai.

Fake news.

This was all a misunderstanding and President Trump did nothing wrong, nor did their Russian benefactors. The whole fault lies within Ms. Clinton who has been maliciously leaking emails and should be given the appropriate punishment like the internet terrorist she is.

Internet terrorism is srsbsns

But, seriously, how can it even be possible that apparently Russia managed to rig the US elections, apparently with the acknowledgement of Trump's campaign?

If this is the real deal, Watergate is really nothing compared to this.

Those are alternate facts.

Mentioning Nin, the Pain Artist's rack is an infractable offence.

Rules are rules. (?)

Dude I'm really partial to Vampire Hexmage

Dude I'm really partial to Vampire Hexmage