[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[redthirst]

[QUOTE1=cryogen]redthirst,

There is occasionally some friendly jabs that are aimed at "casual" players, but there is a fine line between good-natured joking and flaming. Calling people "damn dirty casuals" is certainly borderline, so in the future I and the other mods would appreciate it if you moderate your language.

Thanks,
cryo[/QUOTE1]


Dafuq?

Obviously has not seen the Charlton Heston classic and is missing the pop culture reference and thus the
humorous tenor that you intended. Damn dirty mods should keep their filthy hands off and let the natural order settle things out.

My response:

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Cryo,

If you can be insulted by something that was not only pretty obviously tongue-in-cheek and not directed at you, but also - even if I was serious and talking about you - incredibly tame, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Maybe I could tell you that context matters and since I regularly contribute to that thread that's in a subforum completely dedicated to casual play most anyone should be able to easily infer that I was joking?

Maybe I could tell you that "damn dirty casual" is about as insulting as "stinky butt" and no one over the age of 6 would actually be insulted by it (unless they were the type of person who took it upon themselves to be insulted by anything)?

Or maybe I could tell you that if I'm actually breaking the rules then card me
and if I'm not then don't bother me because your feelings are not now, nor will they ever be my top priority when posting?

Yeah, let's go with that last one.

Thanks,
red

I might be getting banned.

[redthirst]

In my defense, though, I did try to be as civil as possible.

[redthirst]

I didn't go all out like Dane: burn the building down and then shit on the ashes while flipping off the staff...

[zemanjaski]

Updated Mono U list after talking to Sam Pardee. Quote "Mono U Devotion is basically White Weenie with blue cards - so they're actually good".

I'm sold.

[deck]Mono U Devotion[/deck]
Creatures
4 Cloudfin Raptor
4 Frostburn Weird
4 Judge's Familiar
4 Master of Waves
4 Nightveil Spectre
4 Tidebinder Mage

4 Thassa, God of the Sea

Planeswalkers
1 Jace, Architect of Thought

Artifacts
2 Bident of Thassa

Other
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Domestication
2 Rapid Hybridization


Lands
4 Mutavault
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
20 Island

Sideboard
1 Bident of Thassa
1 Curse of Swine
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Dissolve
1 Domestication
4 Gainsay
2 Negate
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
2 Jace, Memory Adept
1 Rapid Hybridization
[/deck]

Changes:
- Domestication back to the maindeck
- Slightly different counterspell package now

The new counterspell, Thassa's Rebuff, is interesting, but surely worse than actual hard counters. Fated Infatuation is interesting, but I don't think necessary.

Can provide a sideboard guide if anyone wants it.

*raises hand*
I'm the one stroking your ego!
Provide the guide altogether!

vs Mono U Mirror
-2 Bident of Thassa (only good if you're ahead on board, so it is ULTRA risky to keep it in)
-4 Judge's Familiar (is too small vs. any other flier and all the spells are cheap so the Force Spike is largely irrelevant)
-4 Frostburn Weird (get'
s shut down by their Tidebinder Mages and is just a bit too clunky given all the fliers or huge fleets or elemental tokens)

+1 Curse of the Swine (in some board states you can just make them have a bunch of 2/2s that are meaningless because you have 2/3s or a Master with tokens)
+1 Cyclonic Rift (overload rift is one of the easiest ways to win)
+1 Domestication (value card is value)
+1 Jace, Architect of Thought (you need some CA and Jace can dominate many board states)
+1 Dissolve (its no Gainsay, but some amount of counters are good in the machup. Key targets are: Spectre, Thassa and Master)
+4 Gainsay (no explanation needed)
+1 Rapid Hybridization (answers Master and Spectre)

vs Mono B Devotion
-1 Cyclonic Rift (they don't usually have substantial board states for this to be super relevant)
-1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx (you're not trying to overload cyclonic rift)

+2 Negate (counters their removal)

*I have seen people prefer to bring in 1 Domestication and 1
Bident or 1 Rapid Hybridization; there seems to be some room for personal preference here.

vs RW Devotion
-2 Bident of Thassa (they're a creature deck)

+1 Domestication (best card versus their deck)
+1 Jace, Architect of Thought (one of the best cards versus their deck)

*I have seen -1 Nykthos, +1 Rapid as well.

vs UWx Control
-4 Cloudfin Raptor (requires you to extend to get much from it; super weak to Azorius Charm. Games go long because of your PW package, so its a bad topdeck and encourages unwise aggro lines)
-1 Domestication (no explanation needed)
-4 Master of Waves (its fine but not exciting; you need to make space for the PW package which is just much better)
-2 Rapid Hybridization (no explanation needed)

+1 Bident of Thassa (no explanation needed)
+1 Dissolve (no explanation needed)
+4 Gainsay (no explanation needed)
+2 Negate (no explanation needed)
+1 Jace, Architect of Thought (no explanation needed)
+2 Jace, Memory
Adept (no explanation needed)

[Dechs Kaison]

red, please continue to live up to the quote you have in your signature. It's entertaining, at the very least.

[zemanjaski]

Happy to hear feedback on the sideboarding; I have three major events and right now its the deck I'll probably play in all three (PTQ, GPT, GP).

[Dechs Kaison]

Happy to hear feedback on the sideboarding; I have three major events and right now its the deck I'll probably play in all three (PTQ, GPT, GP).

Feedback: The sideboard is garbage, but that's more the fault of the deck.

Constructive Criticism: Do Mono B Devotion.

Keep in mind: I don't play Standard and I'm pretty terrible at Magic.

[zemanjaski]

Your assistance is discarded but nonetheless appreciated.

[redthirst]

red, please continue to live up to the quote you have in your signature. It's entertaining, at the very least.

I can't not live up to that quote. I wouldn't even know how.

[DocLawless]

I didn't go all out like Dane: burn the building down and then shit on the ashes while flipping off the staff...

Legen(wait for it)dary.

[windstrider]

redthirst,

There is occasionally some friendly jabs that are aimed at "casual" players, but there is a fine line between good-natured joking and flaming. Calling people "damn dirty casuals" is certainly borderline, so in the future I and the other mods would appreciate it if you moderate your language.

Thanks,
cryo

Dafuq?

That mod's sarcasm and humor meters are obviously broken and beyond repair. I recommend an immediate sterilization of his internet access so that this person never interacts with others online ever again.

Your reply to this was more than gracious. I'm
feeling rather surly lately from stress and lack of sleep, so I would have gone with "Context, mutherfucker. Do you know it?" and left it at that.

[Dechs Kaison]

Your assistance is discarded but nonetheless appreciated.

HA! I see what you did there! HAHAHAHA!

You, sir, are a comedic genius.

[Purp]

No Zem, don't go to the darkside! But in all seriousness, if I had the cardpool I would of switched to mono blue a looooong time ago. There is just no reason to not play mono b or mono u at a PTQ.

[zemanjaski]

Get sponsored. I only own legacy cards.

[zemanjaski]

Much like finding out that Santa isn't real, this might surprise you, but pro players usually own almost no cards.

[redthirst]

Sacre [mana]U[/mana]!

[zemanjaski]

Bravo

[zemanjaski]

I would prefer to say "formidable!" but I am unsure whether an American audience would know I was speaking French.

[zemanjaski]

Unban Bitterblossom so I can actually play UB Control in Modern.

[Dechs Kaison]

Unban Bitterblossom so I can actually play UB Control in Modern.

Reprint Hymn so I have an interest in playing Modern.

[Kaitscralt]

Much like finding out that Santa isn't real, this might surprise you, but pro players usually own almost no cards.

you're so pro

[zemanjaski]

Thanks buddy

[Kaitscralt]

what do you have built on mit-go

[zemanjaski]

RedX; UB Control (UW Control sans Elspeth and Sphinx's Revelation...); Mono U Devotion in Standard. SplinterTwin in Modern.

[Dechs Kaison]

How expensive is it to get into MTGO?

[DocLawless]

I think the initial fee is $10. Beyond that the upkeep is comparable to paper.

[zemanjaski]

http://www.mtgo-stats.com

FWIW I've been infinite for a while, so I haven't actually had to hand over money for most of the cards I own.

[Dechs Kaison]

I'd really only be interested for EDH. I guess I can try to look up how much it would cost to build Pristaxcontrombmodruu and see if I thought it was worth it.

[Dechs Kaison]

And bloody hell, I can't access those price sites here at work.

[MattT]

Orcale of Bones look ok'sh for MonoRed iterations, but there´s something annoying with being forced to cast stuff. A Red Mages gut reaction towards orders I guess. Not to mention that it messes with combat tactics.

I don't think Orcale is strong in a traditional Rx list which mixes aggressive creatures with burn, its more for the Burn orientated list which want to point everything at dome anyways (like Boros Charm and Helix MD).

Good reasoning. Hasty 3/1 + Helix or Charm is nice value.

[DocLawless]

And bloody hell, I can't access those price sites here at work.

If the list in your primer thread is current, MTGGoldfish is saying its worth $338.89.

Here's the very unformatted, copy/pasta'd list of single prices.

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Creatures
1 Zedruu the Greathearted 1RWU 0.41
1 Purphoros God of the Forge 3R 5.00
1 Fog Bank 1U 0.03
1 Auramancer 2W 0.02
1 Jace's Archivist 1UU 0.05
1 Monk Idealist 2W 0.03
1 Academy Rector 3W 12.27
1 Akroan Horse 4 0.05
1 Ulamog the Infinite Gyre 11 7.29
Spells
1 Zedruu the Greathearted 0.41
1 Expedition Map 1 0.08
1 Sol Ring 1 2.39
1 Boros Signet 2 0.02
1 Fellwar Stone 2 0.02
1 Izzet Signet 2 0.08
1 Pentad Prism 2 0.08
1 Sphere of the Suns 2 0.03
1
Talisman of Progress 2 0.11
1 Torpor Orb 2 4.61
1 Chromatic Lantern 3 0.31
1 Coalition Relic 3 3.68
1 Temple Bell 3 0.06
1 Otherworld Atlas 4 0.05
1 Copy Artifact 1U 4.03
1 Darksteel Mutation 1W 0.25
1 Greater Auramancy 1W 4.08
1 Mana Maze 1U 0.60
1 Oath of Lieges 1W 0.05
1 Aura of Silence 1WW 0.08
1 Copy Enchantment 2U 0.29
1 Detention Sphere 1WU 1.42
1 Ghostly Prison 2W 0.43
1 Karmic Justice 2W 7.79
1 Paradox Haze 2U 0.10
1 Propaganda 2U 0.59
1 Rhystic Study 2U 0.25
1 Sacred Mesa 2W 0.05
1 Second Chance 2U 0.05
1 Solitary Confinement 2W 2.65
1 Wild Research 2R 0.35
1 Humility 2WW 15.30
1 Lightmine Field 2WW 0.05
1 Opalescence 2WW 1.50
1 Parallax Wave 2WW 4.21
1 Puca’s Mischief
1 Pyrohemia 2RR 0.03
1 Assemble the Legion 3RW 1.80
1 Enchanted Evening 3WuWu 0.54
1 Sphere of Safety 4W 0.05
1 Dovescape 3WuWuWu 0.23
1 Mind Over Matter 2UUUU 0.83
1 Mind Unbound 4UU 0.05
1 Volition Reins 3UUU 0.03
1 Form of
the Dragon 4RRR 0.05
1 Vicious Shadows 6R 0.05
1 Eldrazi Conscription 8 0.13
1 Idyllic Tutor 2W 8.15
1 Replenish 3W 6.40
1 Enduring Ideal 5WW 5.08
1 Enlightened Tutor W 10.00
1 Mystical Tutor U 9.64
1 Tithe W 4.57
1 Reverberate RR 0.05
1 Twincast UU 0.12
1 Spell Crumple 0.72
1 Jace Beleren 1UU 2.06
1 Venser the Sojourner 3WU 6.10
Land
1 Arid Mesa 10.43
1 Boseiju Who Shelters All 3.57
1 Command Tower 0.06
1 Flooded Strand 7.00
1 Hallowed Fountain 3.27
1 High Market 5.27
1 Mikokoro Center of the Sea 3.81
1 Mistveil Plains 0.09
1 Petrified Field 5.34
1 Plateau 6.78
1 Sacred Foundry 5.32
1 Scalding Tarn 21.09
1 Serra's Sanctum 10.79
1 Steam Vents 3.35
1 Tolaria West 0.40
1 Tundra 19.00
1 Volcanic Island 16.00
1 Wasteland 79.53
6 Plains 0.12
5 Island 0.10
5 Mountain 0.10

[Purp]

Debating if I want to go to the SCG Open Nashville on BnG release weekend... Thoughts anyone? How worth it is it to attend an event when a new set comes out? I guess it will depend on the confidence of whatever I can brew up. Currently liking the look of a GR/BR list that can beat Bile Blight

[Dechs Kaison]

Thanks Doc. That's definitely more than I want to spend. I could cut out a good few of the dual lands/fetches, but it still looks like too much of an investment for how much I'd play.

[redthirst]

Orcale of Bones look ok'sh for MonoRed iterations, but there´s something annoying with being forced to cast stuff. A Red Mages gut reaction towards orders I guess. Not to mention that it messes with combat tactics.

I don't think Orcale is strong in a traditional Rx list which mixes aggressive creatures with burn, its more for the Burn orientated list which want to point everything at dome anyways (like Boros Charm and Helix MD).[/
quote]Good reasoning. Hasty 3/1 + Helix or Charm is nice value.

It could be okay in a Pyromancer build if those decks were looking for something at the 4-drop slot, but I think it's a little too iffy for traditional Red Aggro builds.

[DocLawless]

Thanks Doc. That's definitely more than I want to spend. I could cut out a good few of the dual lands/fetches, but it still looks like too much of an investment for how much I'd play.

It's worth noting that actually getting the singles in bulk like that would also be a real pain in the ass.

[windstrider]

Have lots of spells in your red deck? Then Minotaur is decent.
Not so many spells? Then the new Phoenix is better.

@Zem - I edited the article. I was fairly aggressive with some of the edits.

[redthirst]

I saw Jivanmukta was suspended on Sally so I dug around to see what he did and this gem caught my eye:

:rofl:

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I hate casual players. I'd rather watch magic die than see them happy.

[windstrider]

He must have started out on the pro tour at sixteen then.

[DocLawless]

Is that why he got banned, or was it just a thing you found along the way?

[redthirst]

Nah, he's actually a chill guy from what I can tell. I'm pretty sure he was just fucking with some people.

He's actually the guy I called a "damn dirty casual" which earned me a stern talking to.

Doc: That wasn't even an infracted post.