Dies to Removal

Also, at you painting me in a negative light for not liking your plan at the start.

i thought semantics weren't important to you, dechs?

my posts are short because i don't put a lot of thought into them. i post what i think and feel, and i follow the town when i'm indifferent.

btw, you've taken notice of the right pattern, but you've come to the wrong conclusion. but, like you say, you're a mafia noob, so i won't hold it against you.

Already off to a pretty interesting start here, such a bold claim right off the bat could go either way couldn't it? I'm not going to weigh into it too much this early on, I just feel like we could go in circles with the mind games the claim starts though.

To Raspy, no I did not edit my message. It was specified that if not enough town were in the game though, new cards would be sent out and roles would be repicked, don't know if that had something to do with it. I only received the one message however, so I don't know if this happened or not.

Usually people vote for someone - it doesn't matter who - because it forces them to reveal information or they die. That's literally the defense rcwraspy used "I won't say anything because 2 votes isn't enough". I'd err on the side of rcwraspy is playing it safe and not something like he has a big powerrole he can't even hint at.

vote Dechs Kaison

Yea. I see that. He felt it gave less info tl the mafia and he didn't want the other role that was attached to the second town card. I guess that makes sense.

I'm caught up.

Stardust's claim is wonky, but probably true. At least I think it's very likely that he was dealt the black goo card (based off dechs' numbers on false claiming power roles). He could have not used that ability, and simply claim it anyway, or he could be a mafia black goo or whatever, but it's not something I am anxious to test. We lose too much if he's telling the truth. That being said, there was a moment when stardust did not come across as his normal townie self...this game might be hard.

If there is a vig, I would say shoot dusty, his op is basically a huge piece of wifom, that I feel ultimately confuses the town more than anything

Those were my thoughts as well when I first read it. The only issue is we potentially lose two town members instead of one, because if Stardust flips town black goo, then we know damn well that vig is a cultist now.

What do you mean by "weed out some townies"?

The way I first read it was "If all of town targets him it puts town in a position to win", since turning a town member into a cult member isn't beneficial to town I viewed it a bit suspiciously and it would of course take some pretty stupid town to fall for it. Then it kind of dawned on me a bit late that they had to target you for you ability to affect them, which it's possible everyone in town can target you, but not likely. I still don't like they way it was worded and it makes cautious, but I'd say it's not much different from your blazing WIFOM, with that one we're damned if we do damned if we don't.

It is day one though, I probably shouldn't weigh too much into posts like that at this point.

Unvote

I like Dech's efforts on the numbers regarding cheesing your claim though. It also makes the risks of false claiming a little more apparent imo.

Dechs why are you flailing? Are you hiding something? Are you scum?

So based on that, is this a good idea? Would you like me shot?

Personally? No, I'd rather you not get shot by a vig. If you were going to get killed for whatever reason, I'd much rather it be through a lynch than through a targeted ability, less risk for town that way. That being said I'm not exactly on board the lynch wagon at this point, the only post that really irks me is your claim. Every time I come back to it it leaves me a bit unsure, which I am fairly certain that was your plan.

4. Witchhunt - Discarded: Town Conspiracy Theorist
5. Hamfactorial - Discarded: Town Vanilla
7. Jamie - Discarded: Town Vanilla
8. Rednihilist - Discarded: Town Conspiracy Theorist

Alright guys, pony up. What's the "other" Town card you discarded? We know it's not a role you chose and you all seem to have the "gives the scum less information" defense, but it's bullshit. I want each of you to tell me the town card you discarded, because you must have had another town card and if you're making it up, chances are we'll be able to spot you.

Were you dealt three town cards?

Should have time for a proper response on Friday.]/quote]

Heh. +Scum

Dechs, I still want you to ask a unique question to everyone. At least tell me who you think is scum if that's too much work for you.

Alright, I'm tired of this shit. I'm not going to let you bully me around anymore. You wanted me to ask questions, I started asking questions. Then I started pushing for claims. We got a few early claims on those and they're people we can reasonably clear. I'm playing this game the best way I know how. If it doesn't work out, I'm going to learn from it and try again. If that's not good enough for you, then piss off. I've got a game to play.

Yes I'm confident in my claimed card. It's the fucking card I was dealt. Witchunt claimed Lover, too, but you think he's town. There was a Town Vanilla claimed that you're not going after. No. Of course not. It's just "Go after Dechs Day" in Stardust land. You're tunneling on me as bad as my wife does, and I'll tell you the same thing I tell her: You look hard enough at anyone, you'll find things you don't like. I bet the scum team is loving the job you're doing on me, just like in the WePick. Hell, tunneling almost got me lynched in Lego mafia, too.

Look at the card I discarded. It's a Roleblocker. If I was scum, that'd be the ideal fucking role to pick. But no, I let that go. Pretty stupid play for scum. I'd love to play a scum role, but you have to have more faith in me than that. That's the only mafia card dealt to me and I didn't get a werewolf. I've got no team, no quicktopic. I've only got the Town. I'm doing my best to find the scum here.

So, one more time. You don't like how I'm playing? Piss the hell off. I'm done talking to you.

Man, Dechs may be the most talented person in terms of telling other townies that he's a townie I've played with. I love it! It's like playing with a mason, every game.

I don't know who's scum.

I think Ham, Red, Imopen and LMD are Town. With me in that group, that's the five town players we were guaranteed.

Stardust, I still don't know what to think of your claim and you're just tunneling me so I'm getting a little emotional about it. I hope you're town because I know you're good at it and that means we'll win.

That leaves WitchHunt, Jamie, and RCW. RCW's the top of my list for scum candidates. He's been around while I've been asking for claimed cards and he hasn't responded to it. Now is the time that he could claim safely if he's scum. That's the behavior I expected to see out of scum.

Nice. Not a bad first take on who the scum may be, I suspect, too.

So my fully discarded card you know about from rez.

I took the faction from one and ability from another.

The resulting faction discarded was werewolf.

The resulting ability discarded was vanilla.

Note the truncated style, here. Other players were a lot more open about the reasons that they picked what they picked. Here, it's nothing but bare bones.

Hell I'm just now beginning to understand the dammed setup. Of course the claim request makes no sense to me, especially since Dechs misused terminology and I didn't think it applied to me in the first place.

[quote="rcwaspy']
imopen2, what exactly do you like about the "case"? This seems like too opportunistic of a vote tbh. We haven't interacted at all so far and now you're jumping in based on what exactly?

Well, I've got a little bit of announcement, while re-reading and playing catch up in the thread I caught onto this.

The card i took alignment from was cop/lover

Since people started revealing their alignment card its best for everyone to follow suit, since whatever advantage there is gets you killed.

I'm counter claiming, I didn't have Town Lover, I had Town Cop/Lover as my card. I realize a Cop is a reasonably powerful role, and the reason I didn't pick it as my card was because there were so many factions besides Mafia and when doubled with the Lover portion of the card I didn't feel too keen on it.

I'm okay with revealing my previous sketchy claim simply because the counter claim profit is too strong.

Vote: Jamie

I'm in it for the town. If this backfires and I get lynched or NKed, you'll know to take out Jamie next.

I'm 80% sure this is a witchhunt-in-ww/alien/serialkiller world you make this claim in. Mafia has 2 or 3 people in this world. You counterclaim against someone you have a scumread that isn't ww/alien and if it turns out mafia you're golden and set to win because you're counterclaim-immune.
If witchhunt is ww I want to have this fight now but if he's alien he's guaranteed to take someone out anyway as he goes down so maybe we could save that lynch for another day (or maybe he gets nk).

The other 20% world is where mafia wants to trade 1 for 1 for some reason.

To answer rednihilist's question, cop is an information role when you could die at any time. It feels weak but I really thought hard on taking it over my other nonvanilla ability. My conclusion was to take the ability that was less scary/random option

That reasoning is piss poor, I have no real reason as anti town to come out of no where and make a counter claim this bold. My best case scenario as anti town would be going 1 for 1, which would be retarded and just a terrible trade. I'm town, you're not, even if this gets flipped around on me you're still dying on day two.

rcwraspy

Questions me on RVS immediately following my claim. As I said before, "I voted him because his questions were targeting all the wrong things. I had just claimed. He talks about nothing but my RVS vote that wasn't even a vote. It felt like he wanted to smear me with something without taking a proper stance."

I've had a problem with paying attention to important things so far this game. Hopefully that stops. I didn't realize Iso wasn't even playing, lol. I didn't even bother to look at the player list when you posted that vote - I just reacted to it. Suffice it to say that I didn't need to follow up on this after I realized my mistake.

Ah, right, he follows my vote with good questions now. Carries on for a couple posts trying to catch me in a lie which I think is town motivated behaviour, though it could go either way.

Glad I can still do something right.

Answers a question of mine directed at LMD. It's odd that he feels the need to defend himself from a question that wasn't even targeting him - I got the impression that LMD was talking about me exclusively, so why is rcw nervous about how he came off?

This is a bad habit of mine. I get tied up thinking things through and sometimes when someone asks a question of someone else that touches on what I'm thinking about I respond. I need to stop that. I had been wondering whether or not to resopnd to your vote, decided it wasn't worth it, and jumped the gun on your question to LMD.

Calls my case on Dechs "decent", but doesn't go anywhere with it.

Because I didn't feel a need to. Dechs was still providing a ton of content for everybody to digest, and there was also the claiming thing. I felt that if I wanted to go back to it there was time.

Defends hamfactorial.

I should have let Ham do this himself, but I have a habit of correcting inaccuracies and/or oversights. I'm a bit of a pain that way.

Asks some frankly awkward questions of Dechs, but never returns to it.

Same reasons as above - Dechs was still posting a lot and I didn't see a reason to go back to it. Plus, if they're bad questions to begin with, why follow up? He also responded.

rcw, I want you to post a town/scum list with reasoning for each player.

Here's my current T/S list. In order of Rez's post of players. Some I don't have much of a read on because of lack of content.

1. Dechs Kaison - null. I can see both town and scum motivation for his desire for everybody to claim and for his posts in Stardust's "cases" on him. I think I need to wait for D2 or a lot more D1 activity to tell here, especially after we get a flip on today's lynch, whoever that may be.

2. Lord_Mcdonalds - I want to say town because the few posts have been good, but that's just it - they've been few and far between and mostly at opportune scum times. Leaning town but watching.

3. Stardust - I have a gut feeling as to your real role, and it's not what you claimed. I'm not saying it, though, because that wouldn't be beneficial. You're pretty lucky you didn't get counter-claimed. I won't be lynching you unless my gut feeling is proven wrong, but I'll be wary of any wagons you're on.

4. Witchhunt - fine thinking of WH as town for now b/c of the counter-claim. But that's certainly not dispositive of scuminess.

5. Hamfactorial - sort of like LMD. Hard to say. However, in my few games with Ham he's typically been aloof in day 1.

6. rcwraspy - this guy's as town as they come.

7. Jamie - lets lynch this guy.

8. Rednihilist - in the same boat as LMD and Ham. A few good posts, but not much to go on.

9. imopen2 - this might come across as omgus, but I really do think his vote on me was very scummy. After Jamie this is my strongest scum read so far.

So, RCW, you read stardust and myself as scummy? Please case us.

I don't think Stardust is scum. But he's not town right now, either.

You're my strongest scum read and I've already explained why itt. You've been sitting back and posting/voting at opportune times for scum, with thin reasons for your actions.

I do want to point out Jamie didn't even really try to dispute my counter claim, which is probably a good thing because the Cop/Lover card was mine and I'd have fought him to the death for it. Nor did he try to point out he made a false claim and follow it up with an honest one, but even at this point I wouldn't believe the third card after that whole case. In my book he's anti town, not much to gain in pushing further on this since he can't be lynched, but that's my stance on him.

Stardust pointed out something that threw me off about choosing which Townie should absorb the supersaint, that's been talked up quite a bit so I'll move on to my 2 cents here.

I personally didn't read into Ham having an idea about my alignment at all from that post, I more noticed Raspy over here trying to push the same premise on Ham knows Stardust is town and making it Ham also knows WitchHunt is town. I'm getting the vibe of Raspy trying to stoke the flames of suspicion on Ham here.

Maybe this is just a speech pattern for Imopen and I'm looking into it too hard. What I'm seeing here, though, is a ton of non-committal statements. He's taking both sides of every issue to be able to appeal to everybody. I don't like it and my gut likes it less.

Vote Imopen

Nope, this will probably make me care less. You guys can never figure out when I'm town, and, once again, you're pushing for information that will only help the scum. Lynch me if you really think I've been more scummy than RCW, but the case against me is weak as fuck and you deserve to lose for following it.

RCWaspy, why did you think Stardust's lurk-wagon case against Dechs, coming as early as page 2, was a decent case?

how is saying i'll respond later, and actually following through with it, scummy? I'm in law school ffs - time is a commodity.

Hell, I'd think that the kind of conviction you seem to want me to have would actually be scummy. Scum are the only ones who know for a fact who else is scum and who isn't.

rcw, why do you think I'm a lyncher and for who?

Claiming Black Goo would have kept other anti-town factions (and town vigs) off my ass. Perfect, right? Not quite, because I would have to lie and generally would have enjoyed the game less. I decided that I ultimately would rather just play as Town Bulletproof than pretend to be playing as Town Bulletproof. That is my favourite role, after all.

Now there's the wagon.

3. Stardust - I have a gut feeling as to your real role, and it's not what you claimed. I'm not saying it, though, because that wouldn't be beneficial. You're pretty lucky you didn't get counter-claimed. I won't be lynching you unless my gut feeling is proven wrong, but I'll be wary of any wagons you're on.

I don't really see Stardust and Ham sharing a faction. I could be wrong, of course, but I still have my own guess as to Stardust's true role. Jamie's giving the bare minimum of information, which is usually what scum do when they're pushed to L-2 or L-1. Town would be much more proactive at helping future days.

I don't think Stardust is scum. But he's not town right now, either.

*thinks* Maybe Witch is a lyncher, AND Jamie is mafia.

Are you a lyncher, Witch?

wait a minute, aren't I the only one with two revealed factional discards? Neither of them were town (Mafia and Werewolf). That puts me as statistically the most likely to be town in the whole game so far,

Mafia is the revealed discard from Rez's OP. Werewolf is the other discard that I revealed when I misunderstood what Dechs wanted us to claim.

You need to remember that each faction has a different number of cards and each card can only be used once.