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Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:07 am**

FTR I'm still unconvinced with the Yanni wagon and I'm sticking to Ximbad. MAnders would come close second but I'm not discarding that she is vote-hopping just to gauge reactions because she does do a bit of follow-up unlike Ximbad who just jumps from one to another.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:32 am**

A bit of scummy behavior doesn't make someone scum (Xim) but a lot of bad posts, reasoning's, behavior and over reactions (including being overly defensive) makes guardian the best choice.

I find the checkbox post good, and would like to see T/S lists from everyone, but in popcorn order

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:48 am**

I don't know what popcorn order is, but why not start with your own list?

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:29 am**

votes for manders or ximbad are good things
The ximbad wagon is just bad,
multiple people have said why.

Why is a Manders vote good? Because she helped expose you?
the ximbad wagon is not bad and you're bad for thinking it's bad. Ximbad has done nothing but vote hop the entire time.

voting for Manders is fine for her weak ass reasoning for softlcima saying "LOL DISCUSSION CREATION" when discussion was already going on. This means that she is obviously lying about her original intent and was probably fishing hard. See?

As to why I didn't want to expose my reads until Manders explained her soft claim, it's rather obvious. I didn't want to point out "LOL MANDERS SCUM" and have her response to why she was proposing a softclaim tainted by pressure.
We all know Ximbad has done nothing but votehop, but why does that mean he's anything but stuck in RVS because nothing was really happening anyways? You saying I'm bad and should feel bad does nothing, and you explaining Ximbad's behavior without analyzing it also
does nothing.

She also said that we should mention the possibility of discussing a soft claim, she never said "LETS SOFT CLAIM RIGHT NOW". I honestly think it was a ploy to find scum just like she explained. Again, shit that happened within the first few posts of a mafia game since nothing was happening at that point anyways.
Are you serious? You think that vote hopping isn't scummy behavior? Vote hopping without evidence is a traditional scum tell. There's no need to analyze it past "k, Ximbad is throwing his vote onto the popular wagon, he's scum"

I'm calling bullshit. You don't use a "let's discuss softclaim" when discussion is already happening unless you're fishing.

also re: yanni wagon + RVS at the same time.
laffo, serious wagons do not happen during RVS, they break RVS.

>Ximbad is throwing his vote onto the popular wagon
nDo you care to show some examples? This is completely untrue.
I was just trying to get something going since I hate thousand-year-long day ones. Half of my votes were attached to a question that I hoped would be answered (pink floyd ignored me anyways, lol). I guess I got a little carried away. I think scum would rather vote for me than try and join a weak wagon. Or push my wagon without joining it.

Some sort of soft claim would be fine. I mean, I don't see how it really makes a difference either way. I don't think anyone really knows enough about Adventure Time for it to make a difference. It's not like any roles or that obvious. The two main characters are both male, but I wouldn't assume that they have good roles (or even assume that they are in the game).

unvote:checkbox

A bit of scummy behavior doesn't make someone scum (Xim) but
a lot of bad posts, reasoning's, behavior and over reactions (including being overly defensive) makes guardian the best choice.

I find the checkbox post good, and would like to see T/S lists from everyone, but in popcorn order

What are you talking about, I don't understand.

Right now I like the Guardian or Yanni.

The Guardian just kind of slid onto my wagon while leaving an easy exit to the manders wagon.
Yanni seems to be attacking people who seem to be easy targets rather than posting any sort of content.

Both the guardian and yanni are pushing for either me or manders while more or less ignoring the other. Scumbuddies?

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:51 am**

A bit of scummy behavior doesn't make someone scum (Xim) but a lot of bad posts, reasoning's, behavior and over reactions (including being overly defensive) makes guardian the best choice.

I find the checkbox post good, and would like to see T/S lists from everyone, but in popcorn order

I know what is meant by popcorn order (basically there is some agreed upon order for the posts to follow), and I like the idea, but who generates the order?

I am not mistaken in saying that Yanni is at l-2, yes? Does everybody voting him feel strongly? Personally I motion for him to claim.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:09 pm**

The Ximbad wagon has been shown by multiple people to be bad, and I agree with them and not you. That's all I have to say on that particular matter.

nice barn

I do find the string of imopen2 posts though...
[/quote:
car42g8q]You're missing a verb. What do you mean by this?
unvote: yanni; vote Captain Murphy

Yanni wagon seems too thin to go anywhere.

So far I like what teefo has to say, but he hasn't really brought up anything meaty.
First vote hop off of the yanni wagon because it's too thin to go anywhere, obvious scum play that he didn't care why and just voted for the lulz.
As for his vote on murphy, I'm inclined ot beleve he was looking for targets and went after murphy for an english fial.

unvote

vote:killjoy

His only post was on the first saying he would check-in later.
hops off murphy and heads toward killjoy without providing any other content and ignoring wagons, obvious scum stirring the pot move.

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quot;Ximbad » Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:18 pm"]
unvote

vote:killjoy

His only post was on the first saying he would check-in later.
Vote Ximbad

I don't think it will get you off the hook, but I would like to hear your explanation for that vote.
Lynching lurkers is pretty standard. The day was winding down, and while there were some good conversations, nothing really points to anyone being very scummy. I've got Phantasmo and teefo pegged as town,
but not much else.

If shalako was willing to replace killjoy, I'm sure he'd do so before killjoy was lynched. Asking for prods doesn't seem to be doing much.

The game slowed down quite a bit so something had to happen. Lynching someone who wasn't going to post, or prodding shalako into replacing both seem like good outcomes to me.

ignoring content

votes for manders or ximbad are good things
The ximbad wagon is just bad, multiple people have said why.

Why is a Manders vote good? Because she helped expose you?
the ximbad wagon is not bad and you're bad for thinking it's bad. Ximbad has done nothing but vote hop the entire time.

voting for Manders is fine for her weak ass reasoning for softlcima saying "LOL DISCUSSION CREATION" when discussion was already going on. This means that she is obviously lying about her original intent and was probably fishing hard. See?

As to why I didn't want to expose my reads until Manders
explained her soft claim, it's rather obvious. I didn't want to point out "LOL MANDERS SCUM" and have her response to why she was proposing a softclaim tainted by pressure.
We all know Ximbad has done nothing but votehop, but why does that mean he's anything but stuck in RVS because nothing was really happening anyways? You saying I'm bad and should feel bad does nothing, and you explaining Ximbad's behavior without analyzing it also does nothing.

She also said that we should mention the possibility of discussing a soft claim, she never said "LETS SOFT CLAIM RIGHT NOW". I honestly think it was a ploy to find scum just like she explained. Again, shit that happened within the first few posts of a mafia game since nothing was happening at that point anyways.
Are you serious? You think that vote hopping isn't scummy behavior? Vote hopping without
evidence is a traditional scum tell. There's no need to analyze it past "k, Ximbad is throwing his vote onto the popular wagon, he's scum"

I'm calling bullshit. You don't use a "let's discuss softclaim" when discussion is already happening unless you're fishing.

also re: yanni wagon + RVS at the same time.
laffo, serious wagons do not happen during RVS, they break RVS.
>Ximbad is throwing his vote onto the popular wagon
Do you care to show some examples? This is completely untrue.
I was just trying to get something going since I hate thousand-year-long day ones. Half of my votes were attached to a question that I hoped would be answered (pink floyd ignored me anyways, lol). I guess I got a little carried away. I think scum would rather vote for me than try and join a weak wagon. Or push my wagon without joining it.

Some sort of soft claim would be fine. I mean, I don't see how it really makes a difference either way. I don't think anyone
really knows enough about Adventure Time for it to make a difference. It's not like any roles or that obvious. The two main characters are both male, but I wouldn't assume that they have good roles (or even assume that they are in the game).

unvote:checkbox

A bit of scummy behavior doesn't make someone scum (Xim) but a lot of bad posts, reasoning's, behavior and over reactions (including being overly defensive) makes guardian the best choice.

I find the checkbox post good, and would like to see T/S lists from everyone, but in popcorn order
What are you talking about, I don't understand.

Right now I like the Guardian or Yanni.

The Guardian just kind of slid onto my wagon while leaving an easy exit to the manders wagon.
Yanni seems to be attacking people who seem to be easy targets rather than posting any sort of content.

Both the guardian and yanni are pushing for either me or manders while more or less ignoring the other. Scumbuddies?

I don't knmow who you consider easy targets, but Manders is far from an easy target. ximbaf's horrendous behavior in addition to this luulzy accusation of me going after easy targets cements my idea that he's scum.

I'm not claiming until Shal's posts a vote count confirming that I'm at l-2

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:54 pm**

Popcorn order starts with the the most scummy person and they choose someone next, then that person chooses someone and so forth

Who do we want to give us a list first?

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:49 pm**

Obviously Yanni, since he's closest to lynching.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:03 pm**

A bit of scummy behavior doesn't make someone scum (Xim) but a lot of bad posts, reasoning's, behavior and over reactions (including being overly defensive) makes guardian the best choice.

I find the checkbox post good, and would like to see T/S lists from everyone, but in popcorn order

Not participating

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:13 pm**

And yet, Yanni has a point.

My original vote on Yanni was an RVS vote, and yet checkbox is holding it against me on why he doesn't like me? Call me a bad player too, but I actually agree with EVERYTHING Yanni said in this quote:

Are you serious? You think that vote hopping isn't scummy behavior? Vote hopping without evidence is a traditional scum tell. There's no need to analyze it past "k, Ximbad is throwing his vote onto the popular wagon, he's scum"

I'm calling bullshit. You don't use a "let's discuss softclaim" when discussion is already happening unless you're fishing.

also re: yanni wagon + RVS at the same time.
laffo, serious wagons do not happen during RVS, they break RVS.

Also, my reasoning has been spot on.

but a
lot of bad posts, reasoning's, behavior and over reactions (including being overly defensive) makes guardian the best choice.

Show where I have been overly defensive. I made one mistake on thinking Kpaca was against a Yanni wagon, when in reality, it was you.

Also, since you are SO convinced of my scumminess, why would you not suggest my name first? You keep pushing people to jump on my wagon, and then you balk at the popcorn suggestion.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:25 pm**

Mod, vote count.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:06 pm**

5th Vote Count.

Yanni (5)- Mogadishu Jones, (G_R), Manders, Checkbox, PhantomS
Ximbad (2)- Col. Khaddafif, The Guardian
Manders (1)- Yanni
The Guardian(1)- Captain Murphy
PhantomS (1)- Imopen2

Not Voting: teefo, Ximbad

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:32 pm**

What do you not understand?

Here's the conversation so far:
You: "I wouldn't put behind Yanni just being awful town"
Me: "What are you basing this on? Have you ever played with Yanni before?"
You: "No, but I see him posting everyday. He seems to keep the same style in this game. Also, why does this comment strikes high in your scumdar?"
Me: "Because a person's personal style of posting is completely irrelevant to their in-game style of posting"

Please, what do you not understand? I think your reason for believing Yanni to be dumb town
is bogus and I think you are scum.

Oh, right, you start with getting uber defensive about me prodding you for a response. Then, you nitpick about my own statement. Like, seriously, Yanni? The discussion about the relevance of SPAM was so important that's it's preposterous to believe I might want to talk about something else?

You're ridiculous, and I'm pretty sure you're scum.

Unvote Vote: Yanni
wait what? you recap our exchange without adding anything else and asking what I don't understand and then your next post is a vote for Yanni????

I'd totes vote for you if Ximbad hadn't came first with his vote-hopping.

I've said from the beginning that I think you and Yanni are scum.
I am the only one
convinced that you are scum.
I do not have the time nor the inclination to push for your lynch since there's already a wagon on Yanni.

So, yeah, I changed my vote to Yanni, but that doesn't mean I changed my mind about you.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:41 pm**

I'm Jake the Dog, town watcher
I'm able to contort my body in a lot of ways and turn into a bunch of shapes so I can watch people during the night.
I get to see who visited my target at night

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:55 pm**

gj guys, we just gave mafia their first nightkill

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:04 pm**

Or we didn't...

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:05 pm**

I'd like to hear what Jones and PhantomS have to say about this claim.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:11 pm**

Or we didn't...

scum would be likely to claim vanilla. Its too dangerous to claim such an important role as early than day one. Odds of pulling such a gambit are very low.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:26 pm**

So its better for Yanni to claim a role and (as you've put it) ensure his death than to claim vanilla which (seems to be) more statistically likely anyways?

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:26 pm**

(actual mafia question, I'm not used to these types of strategies, as I've never seen them)

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:27 pm**

So if we believe him, and think the scum is going to kill him anyways, don't we all just jump off the Yanni train?

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:03 pm**

I'd like to hear what Jones and PhantomS have to say about this claim.

this is fishy as hell

So its better for Yanni to claim a role and (as you've put it) ensure his death than to claim vanilla which (seems to be) more statistically likely anyways?

no because protective roles are a thing.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:30 am**

There is no way that he would claim Jake if he wasn't Jake. He is essentially the protagonist's sidekick. That is way too ballsy. At the risk of gaming the mod, I would make a substantial wager that Jake is town. Assuming that nobody else is going to come forward as Jake I will Unvote: Yanni and take some time to review for now.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:32 am**

gj guys, we just gave mafia their first nightkill

For the record, all this does is ensue a minigame with any potential doc role or other such potential roles. I also still am behind the wagon up to the claim. The claim is literally the only thing taking me off the wagon.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:00 am**

but a lot of bad posts, reasoning's, behavior and over reactions (including being overly defensive) makes guardian the best choice.

Show where I have been overly defensive. I made one mistake on thinking Kpaca was against a Yanni wagon, when in reality, it was you.

Also, since you are SO convinced of my scumminess, why would you not suggest my name first? You keep pushing people to jump on my wagon, and then you balk at the popcorn suggestion.

You had one vote (6 votes away from a lynch) and you questioned me. We had a back and forth argument, if you were scum its natural to overreact to single votes because scum wants to avoid all heat and not be questioned.

The popcorn order is decided by the group as a whole, mafia is a team game.

The reason we don't lynch Yanni is because there is most likely 3 scum and the risk of a PR being killed, its not worth it. No reason to rush the first day, we can question 10 other people.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:14 pm**

unvoteYanni

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:15 pm**

I'd like to hear what Jones and PhantomS have to say about this claim.
this is fishy as hell

I was asking them since I wanted to see if they believed you or not since they were the biggest pushers of the wagon for a long time

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:38 pm**

gj guys, we just gave mafia their first nightkill

unvote: vote gaddafi

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:01 pm**

gj guys, we just gave mafia their first nightkill
unvote: vote gaddafi

Still need to review more when I'm not hungover. FtR, I don't hate this vote.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:02 pm**

And I don't think checkbox is fishing I think he's just really new jumping on him for doing what you probably did in your first game is probably scummy.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:02 pm**

I guess what I'm trying to say, Yanni, is that you need to play better.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:40 pm**

Ximbad seems really adept at throwing around votes testing the waters, then removing them

FOS Ximbad

You've been on this train for half the thread, and still don't see anywhere better to put your vote? Why do you think he's scummy despite his content posts since your original FOS?

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:41 pm**

Sorry, its actually been MORE than half the thread.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:43 pm**

Vote Ximbad then.

Also the insistence of PhantomS on Yanni is unsettling. Yanni is just dumb. period. Everything he does up to the final day one votecount is to be discarded

Although this point now has a bit more weight...

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:45 pm**

Yeah the whole thread actually.

Five different votes is enough at this point in day 1. Am I 100% sure he is scum? far from it. Have I seen more scummy behavior? no. hence my vote.

If someone does something more suspicious, I'll change my vote. Second in line of my suspicions is everyone who was insisting so much on the Yanni wagon.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:54 pm**

So that would be PhantomS and kpaca? (one of which seems town enough to me and the other of which doesn't post a lot)

Can you explain to me why you think Ximbad's behavior is scummy and not just RVS'ing to push the thread along in the first few pages, especially considering not a whole lot has happened yet anyways?

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:28 pm**

As I said, its not high on the scumdar, but its the highest I have seen on day one and I b«need to vote for someone at the end of the day. If someone posts something worse, I'll change my vote.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:43 pm**

So, the read that I'm getting is that N_S stayed off the Yanni wagon because he knew all along he was town despite the fact that Yanni played unreal scummy the entire game.

You know how a player knows another player is town on day one? Because they're scum. That's how. Now he's trying to cast suspicion on those on the Yanni wagon without actively pursuing anybody that voted Yanni. Typical passive-aggressive scum.

Vote: Col. Khaddafi

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:03 pm**

Entertaining your hypothesis that I'm scum, you'd rather I had pushed a wagon for actual scum?

Or are you shooting for another easy pick now that you can simply nightkill the town watcher?

I mean, there is no way Yanni is going to be lynched day 1, you seem awfully adept at picking up another quick mislynch.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:07 pm**

You seem awfully adept at pointing fingers without actually applying pressure anywhere...

Vote: Col. Khaddafi

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