Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:29 pm
How do you figure?No, we have a Jailer. :nod:
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How do you figure?No, we have a Jailer. :nod:
Maybe he felt staying away from the wagon would garner scrutiny since he was, in fact, in support of the Suga wagon?I 100% agree that it felt like he was pressured here. I took that to mean that Suga was his buddy. But what does that mean when Suga flipped town? He was probably the easiest mislynch target I've ever seen - everyone was sure he was scum. Why would scum need to be pressured into making that vote?This feels off. It's like he feels pressured to place his vote on Suga to "seem townie". And it's the hammer.
I would support a Red wagon, too.I'm
much more inclined to go after RedNihilist today for his Suga wagon jump and his later refusal to engage with a simple question. Add "waiting to see what happens before committing to anything Day 2" to the list as well. I don't have time today, but I'll probably throw down a proper case come Monday.
I'd love to hear it.TubeHunter is my target for today after rereading day 1. Case coming in a bit.
That's what's got you on edge about me? When the game began I was overly concerned with mis-lynching town. It wasn't intentionally leaving options open, it was fear of making the wrong choice and lynching town. Ironically and unfortunately, it ended up happening. I've been doing a little homework on the Wiki and a common theme is that mis-lynching is almost unavoidable. Once I realized that, my attitude toward lynching Suga - what at the time seemed the most obvious case we had - changed, and that's when ISo, my issues with redcoloredwizard:
This post completely rubs me the wrong way. It tries really hard to keep options open. Basically, rcw could say, upon explanation, "Oh, well, then I'll vote [Iso or Checkbox]!" depending on reception to my start, as well as how people reacted to my Checkbox rationale.From what I can tell Iso's really coming out of the gates quickly here. I honestly have no idea what to make of that, but I also don't quite understand the vote for Checkbox. Could it be because of familiarity from previous games?
Too agreeable, too uninvested in doing, well, anything.Well, if someone comes galloping in agreeing but using the wrong color, that would sure be a big sign. I guess the next logical thing to look at from there is why checkbox seemed to take exception to it.Ah, right. I only explained why it's not scummy, not why it's townie. Maybe you can tell me. What motivation would townIso have for posting something like that?
But I know where TubeHunter is coming from. I feel like we need some more discourse in here to get the clues flowing.
More keeping options open.I simply meant that I didn't understand the distinction he was trying to make. We're dissecting Suga's posts and at least most of us are leaning scum on Suga, but pointing to those 2 posts and calling them contradictory didn't seem like a strong*Rolls up a newspaper and baps you on the nose.*That said, I didn't like Stardust's post where he quoted 2 of Suga's posts and bolded parts (bottom of page 2). That seemed like splitting hairs. I've liked his other posts re: Suga, but that one struck me as odd.
I hope that's not you telling me that you suspect Stardust as Suga's scumbuddy. Can you clarify?
indictment. Could it be busing? I suppose maybe, if I understand the concept, but I think you (Iso) and Stardust have both put yourselves in the "likely town" camp so far - at least through Day 1.
Throwing suspicion without explanation, etc.Hi all,
I'm back. A lot of law school reading to do today, but I'll be posting on and off. Just caught up on the reading.
@ Iso. From what I can tell you've got some strong reads going. So far I understand where you're coming from on Suga and RedNihilist. Thanks for the explanation on contradictory posts with no backup regarding why - helpful to use along with Stardust's search by poster in a thread to hunt with.
@ TubeHunter. you're new here too, right? I like your insights so far as well.
I'm ready to lynch Suga whenever the rest of you are. From there, Im going to want to hear more from RedNihilist, Checkbox, and Clownfish. I didn't understand Iso's first post for a bit either, so Checkbox's first post isn't completely incriminating from what I can tell, but it sure does lean in that direction.
This feels off. It's like he feels pressured to place his vote on Suga to "seem townie". And it's the hammer.I'd like to address these things.rcwraspy feels too apologetic here. Town tend toI'm sorry for the lack of content, but I don't know how to read into things the way you guys do quite yet and I've been on airplanes today.
do the best they can regardless of how much they suck. Scum tend to have a guilty conscience and apologize to compensate for their "bad" reads or lack of content.
I'm not sure how to respond to this, but basically, if you think my entire case on Suga is wrapped up in one contradiction, you're wrong. You know you're wrong since you said yourself that you liked the rest of my posts on the matter. So why bring it up? I'll have to revisit this once we see Suga's flip, I think. Feels like a chainsaw*.I simply meant that I didn't understand the distinction he was trying to make. We're dissecting Suga's posts and at least most of us are leaning scum on Suga, but pointing to those 2 posts and calling them contradictory didn't seem like a strong indictment. Could it be busing? I suppose maybe, if I understand the concept, but I think you (Iso) and Stardust have both put yourselves in the "likely town" camp so far - at least through Day 1.*Rolls up a newspaper and baps you on the nose.*That said, I didn't like Stardust's post where he quoted 2 of Suga's posts and bolded parts (bottom of page 2). That seemed like splitting hairs. I've liked his other posts re: Suga, but that one struck me as odd.
I hope that's not you telling me that you suspect Stardust as Suga's
scumbuddy. Can you clarify?
*Chainsaw defense is the act of cutting someone down to make their target look better. In this case, rcwraspy may be throwing suspicion at me in order
to make my case on his scum buddy (Suga) look worse.
We all know this is a newbie game. I'm one of the newbies. I was also traveling when I did my posting on Friday, and didn't have very much time. The fact also remains that, as my first mafia game, I'm still not used to reading into every last word that someone says the way that Iso and Stardust have demonstrated. Personality wise I tend to take things at face value and this is a shift for me. I started seeing walls of text and thought I had to do likewise, but knew I wasn't in a position to at the time. So I apologized. I don't feel guilty about it, I just wanted to inform people of my traveling. There was simply unfortunate timing between the start of the game and my itinerary.
Regarding the "chainsaw." I hadn't heard of that term before, but I don't agree with it anyway. I've stated multiple times that I'm on board with lynching Suga. So the argument that I'm
defending him because he's my scum buddy doesn't make sense when I'm lynching him anyway. Let alone the fact that it's simply not true.
VOTE: DroppinSuga
This is just .nI'd apologize, but apparently that's scummyYou stole my hammer.
@Stardust: Don't you worry about me. I'll answer your question Day 2 since my iPod ate it and I don't feel like re-typing it.
Also, Checkbox is town.
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Upon review, I feel like I'm explaining myself terribly. I think I need to brush up on my mindset theory.
Does anyone have any questions about the case?
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@RedNihilist: Hi! Tell us things.
Sure. imopen2 and Iso both had minor scum reads on you, so (those being my two strongest town reads) I did my best to really read into your posts since I'd considered you most likely town. The thing that seemed to bother them most was your odd questions. I happen to agree that many of your questions and tangents have been unusual. However, since I could think of no scum motivation behind these, I came to the conclusion that that's just your style. It seems like you're the type of player to dissect everything to its fullest extent. So although your odd questions haven't been displaying any normalPS @ Stardust: You wrote earlier that my writing makes my posts feel off somehow. Could you expand on that or give an example?
This I find a bit curious. How would you suggest we hunt for scum on Day 1 if not looking for scummy behaviour?The reason I want to go back and reread his posts closely is that his grilling of Suga might now also be explained as him jumping on the first sign of somewhat scummy behavior to get a wagon started.
Sure. Mostly because of this:Why were you afraid to mislynch town? (No, that's not a trick question, I just want to know why you thought it was bad.)
Since Kaze's intro posts and a few pages of the Boondocks game were my only view into the game, I was thinking of the game in a more "Team Town vs. Team Scum&- The Town Win condition is: You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
- The Mafia Win condition is: You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.
Cool, thanks for the explanation. I recognize the part you mention about dissecting every aspect of the game. I'm one curious guy is all I can say.Sure. imopen2 and Iso both had minor scum reads on you, so (those being my two strongest town reads) I did my best to really read into your posts since I'd considered you most likely town. The thing that seemed to bother them most was your odd questions. I happen to agree that many of your questions and tangents have been unusual. However, since I could think of no scum motivation behind these, I came to the conclusion that that's just your style. ItPS @ Stardust: You wrote earlier that my writing makes my posts feel off somehow. Could you expand on that or give an example?
seems like you're the type of player to dissect everything to its fullest extent. So although your odd questions haven't been displaying any normal townie thought process that I've ever seen, I don't think that makes you scum. I think it makes you a different sort of player.
If I made the impression with that part of my post that I don't think your methods were good on day 1, I apologize. When I was writing that post I followed up "grilling Suga" with the caveat "(though it was obviously justified)". In the end I decided to leave it out because I thought it was obvious and the caveat made the sentence really abstruse. So to reiterate that: I think going after Suga was 100% correct. However, when I drew up my list before the lynch, I was operating under the assumption that Suga was scum. Now that he flipped town, one of the arguments for why you are town has been weakened. My read on you is still town but less conclusively. Given that, I wanted to give your previous posts a second look. This is in part because if you were scum, it would be pretty devastating for the town; moreso than any of the less experienced players.The reason I want to go back and reread his posts closely is that his grilling of Suga might now also be explained as him jumping on the first sign of somewhat scummy behavior to get a wagon started.[/quote:
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This I find a bit curious. How would you suggest we hunt for scum on Day 1 if not looking for scummy behaviour?
nI operate under the (perhaps false?) assumption that any logical deductions can and will also be done by the mafia. However, they wouldn't tell us about it if it resulted in any substantial information. For that reason I thought more of a "full disclosure"-type approach would be in order. I don't advocate anyone adding to this potentially public information based on their own role. Do you disagree with this approach?Also, Clownfish, why do you care so much about the power roles? A townie should be careful with how far they take their pondering lest they help the scum.
This is all I have tonight unfortunately, I just got back from a really long PTQ and I have a job interview in the morning.
This post feels forced to me. Even new town realize that lynching someone for the sole purpose of creating action in a game is "not a great reason". This isn't a huge red flag, but I don't see the need for him having to point this out. Other then this, no real action of any kind from TubeHunter on page 1.I kind of want to go along with Iso and Stardust and put some pressure on checkbox to start this game going, however I don't really want toacccedentally lynch a townie for not a great reason like that
Here, TubeHunter throws down the first vote on Suga (other than my own RVS vote) without giving any real reason other than "he's more scummy than everyone else". While this is certainly true, this post reads more to me as scum identifying an easy mislynch early rather than a townie who truly wants to get other townies behind him on this wagon for good reasons.everything suga has done looks much more scummy than anything else
so far...
Vote: DroppinSuga
Page 3; no original content. Gives no original reads, throws my name out because other people are. This just reads like scum trying to "hide in plain sight" - bussing everyone elses reads while offering up no original content.Phone post, and probably the last for the real world day.
I don't really have a good read on any other potential scum. I would look into checkbox as well, though I find it odd that Suva would try to bus his only partner so soon.( though it is my first game, so whatever)
If Suva is town, then
reevaluation like open said. Though I would like more of the other guys to chime about the game some more before truly reading the game.
28 posts later, after finally getting the "additional responses" he wanted to he could "truly read the game", what does he do? He tries to get the hammer thrown down really quick, but phrases it such that he can hide behind being new - "do you guys think weAlright, now that we have a lot more posts by the other guys, do you think we should lynch suga now?
Continues to do the same thing. Doesn't offer any original reads or townie discussion at all, still trying to get Suga lynched ASAP while hiding behind the "new player" guise.I as talking to stardust as he is the one saying that we should wait for claims and post by the others. I was thinking that now that people have do those things we could just move on with lynching him. Although I don't know if the town needs more information before night, it's still my first game so I'm not sure yet
You'll find that
doesn't actually answer my question. Try again.
Well, technically speaking your question was "Care to guess why?", and I just don't think I'm going to just throw *guess* what you see as wrong in my post.
I'm more than open to discuss every sentence of said post, but I'd like you to crearly state what sounded so wrong in it, in your opinion.
I'd like to point out that I've got nothing to hide and I don't really think I've said anything wrong, I've just asked you to help me help you with all the explaining, so please refrain from being so cold towards my poor self.
But I guess that you might just be trying to put some pressure on myself rather than trying to actually discussing the point with me.
I'm disappointed you're not giving me a straight answer. I'll consider that a point against you.
One of my problems with the post in question is that it's a total
fence-sit on Suga. It gives you the chance to either put your vote on him or back off completely. That gives scum an excuse to throw their vote around. While it's good to doubt your reads sometimes, it's also scummy to have no conviction whatsoever in them. Understand? Additionally:
"We do want our fellow townies to be dedicated people, don't we?"
The line "our fellow townies...don't we?" really stands out because it's like you're making it a point to say, "Guys, look, I'm including me as part of the town!" It doesn't strike me as natural phrasing and it's something I personally did in my first scum game ("we, the townies").
Why the defensive reaction?
Yeah, that post struck me as odd too. quite a defensive reaction. I don't think that that it is obviously a scum read, but it isn't too town one either. I too would like an explanation as well.
My top two candidates to investigate day two are checkbox and Nihilist.
Checkbox, while not seeming as scummy as suga day 1, can't be counted out as an early bus target from suga. Nihilist had that wierd defensive reaction of not answering a question and such, and without more input from him, I would like to check him out more.
This post feels forced to me. Even new town realize that lynching someone for the sole purpose of creating action in a game is "not a great reason". This isn't a huge red flag, but I don't see the need for him having to point this out. Other then this, no real action of any kind from TubeHunter on page 1.I kind of want to go along with Iso and Stardust and put some pressure on checkbox to start this game going, however I don't really want toacccedentally lynch a townie for not a great reason like that
Here, TubeHunter throws down the first vote on Suga (other than my own RVS vote) without giving any real reason other than "he's more scummy than everyone else". While this is certainly true, this post reads more to me as scum identifying an easy mislynch early rather than a townie who truly wants to get other townies behind him on this wagon for good reasons.everything suga has done looks much more scummy than anything else so far...
Vote: DroppinSuga
At least RedNihilist gave "being too aggressive" as his reason... something > nothing.
Page 3; no original content. Gives no original reads, throws my name out because other people are. This just reads like scum trying to "hide in plain sight" - bussing everyone elses reads while offering up no original content.Phone post, and probably the last for the real world day.
I don't really have a good read on any other potential scum. I would look into
checkbox as well, though I find it odd that Suva would try to bus his only partner so soon.( though it is my first game, so whatever)
If Suva is town, then reevaluation like open said. Though I would like more of the other guys to chime about the game some more before truly reading the game.
28 posts later, after finally getting the "additional responses" he wanted to he could "truly read the game", what does he do? He tries to get the hammer thrownAlright, now that we have a lot more posts by the other guys, do you think we should lynch suga now?
down really quick, but phrases it such that he can hide behind being new - "do you guys think we
should lynch suga now?"
Still offering no original content, this reads so much to me like scum just bussing off of other peoples' reads because there is one "obvious" target.
Continues to do the same thing. Doesn't offer any original reads or townie discussion at all, still trying to get Suga lynched ASAP while hiding behind the "new player" guise.I as talking to stardust as he is the one saying that we should wait for claims and post by the others. I was thinking that now that people have do those things we could just move on with lynching him. Although I don't know if the town needs more information before night, it's still my first game so I'm not sure yet
If he truly has his doubts
about Suga, then he might be asking questions and trying to get specific information from people rather than just saying "lets just lynch him now, idk what we're supposed to be doing anyways."
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quot;Iso » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:48 am"][quote="
This part of your post bothers me. Care to guess why?
Well, I'm asking myself why you should be bothered from that and I find the fact quite interesting.
nI don't mind explaining those sentences, but before that I'd like you to tell me why you found 'em so disturbing.
You'll find that doesn't actually answer my question. Try again.
Well, technically speaking your question was "Care to guess why?", and I just don't think I'm going to just throw *guess* what you see as wrong in my post.
I'm more than open to discuss every sentence of said post, but I'd like you to crearly state what sounded so wrong in it, in your opinion.
I'd like to point out that I've got nothing to hide and I don't really think I've said anything wrong, I've just asked you to help me help you with all the explaining, so please refrain from being so cold towards my poor self.
But I guess that you might just be trying to put some pressure on myself rather than trying to actually discussing the point with me.
I'm
disappointed you're not giving me a straight answer. I'll consider that a point against you.
One of my problems with the post in question is that it's a total fence-sit on Suga. It gives you the chance to either put your vote on him or back off completely. That gives scum an excuse to throw their vote around. While it's good to doubt your reads sometimes, it's also scummy to have no conviction whatsoever in them. Understand? Additionally:
"We do want our fellow townies to be dedicated people, don't we?"
The line "our fellow townies...don't we?" really stands out because it's like you're making it a point to say, "Guys, look, I'm including me as part of the town!" It doesn't strike me as natural phrasing and it's something I personally did in my first scum game ("we, the townies").
Why the defensive reaction?
Yeah, that post struck me as odd too. quite a defensive reaction. I don't think that that it is obviously a scum
read, but it isn't too town one either. I too would like an explanation as well.
My top two candidates to investigate day two are checkbox and Nihilist. Checkbox, while not seeming as scummy as suga day 1, can't be counted out as an early bus target from suga. Nihilist had that wierd defensive reaction of not answering a question and such, and without more input from him, I would like to check him out more.
This post feels forced to me. Even new town realize that lynching someone for the sole purpose of creating action in a game is "not a great reason". This isn't a huge red flag, but I don't see the need for him havingI kind of want to go along with Iso and Stardust and put some pressure on checkbox to start this game going, however I don't really want toacccedentally lynch a townie for not a great reason like that
to point this out. Other then this, no real action of any kind from TubeHunter on page 1.
Here, TubeHunter throws down the first vote on Suga (other than my own RVS vote) without giving any real reason other than "he's more scummy than everyone else". While this is certainly true, this post reads more to me as scum identifying an easy mislynch early rather than a townie who truly wants to get other townies behind him on this wagon for good reasons.everything suga has done looks much more scummy than anything else so far...
Vote: DroppinSuga
At least RedNihilist gave "being too aggressive" as his reason... something > nothing.
Page 3; no original content. Gives no original reads, throws my name out because other people are. This just reads like scum trying to "hide in plain sight" - bussing everyone elses reads while offering up no original content.Phone post, and probably the last for the real world day.
I don't really have a good read on any other potential scum. I would look into checkbox as well, though I find it odd that Suva would try to bus his only partner so soon.( though it is my first game, so whatever)
If Suva is town, then reevaluation like open said. Though I would like more of the other guys to chime about the game some more before truly reading the game.
28 posts later,Alright, now that we have a lot more posts by the other guys, do you think we should lynch suga now?
after finally getting the "additional responses" he wanted to he could "truly read the game", what does he do? He tries to get the hammer thrown down really quick, but phrases it such that he can hide behind being new - "do you guys think we
should lynch suga now?"
Still offering no original content, this reads so much to me like scum just bussing off of other peoples' reads because there is one "obvious" target.
Continues to do the same thing. Doesn't offer anyI as talking to stardust as he is the one saying that we should wait for claims and post by the others. I was thinking that now that people have do those things we could just move on with lynching him. Although I don't know if the town needs more information before night, it's still my first game so I'm not sure yet
original reads or townie discussion at all, still trying to get Suga lynched ASAP while hiding behind the "new player" guise.
If he truly has his doubts about Suga, then he might be asking questions and trying to get specific information from people rather than just saying "lets just lynch him now, idk what we're supposed to be doing anyways."
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quot;RedNihilist » Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:33 am"]
Well, I'm asking myself why you should be bothered from that and I find the fact quite interesting.
I don't mind explaining those sentences, but before that I'd like you to tell me why you found 'em so disturbing.
You'll find that doesn't actually answer my question. Try again.
Well, technically speaking your question was "Care to guess why?", and I just don't think I'm going to just throw *guess* what you see as wrong in my post.
I'm more than open to discuss every sentence of said post, but I'd like you to crearly state what sounded so wrong in it, in your opinion.
I'd like to point out that I've got nothing to hide and I don't really think I've said anything wrong, I've just asked you to help me help you with all the explaining, so please refrain from being so cold towards my poor self.
But
I guess that you might just be trying to put some pressure on myself rather than trying to actually discussing the point with me.
I'm disappointed you're not giving me a straight answer. I'll consider that a point against you.
One of my problems with the post in question is that it's a total fence-sit on Suga. It gives you the chance to either put your vote on him or back off completely. That gives scum an excuse to throw their vote around. While it's good to doubt your reads sometimes, it's also scummy to have no conviction whatsoever in them. Understand? Additionally:
"We do want our fellow townies to be dedicated people, don't we?"
The line "our fellow townies...don't we?" really stands out because it's like you're making it a point to say, "Guys, look, I'm including me as part of the town!" It doesn't strike me as natural phrasing and it's something I personally did in my first scum game ("we, the townies").
Why the
defensive reaction?
Yeah, that post struck me as odd too. quite a defensive reaction. I don't think that that it is obviously a scum read, but it isn't too town one either. I too would like an explanation as well.
My top two candidates to investigate day two are checkbox and Nihilist. Checkbox, while not seeming as scummy as suga day 1, can't be counted out as an early bus target from suga. Nihilist had that wierd defensive reaction of not answering a question and such, and without more input from him, I would like to check him out more.
Oh? What's this? Original reads and content?
Nope. Still just regurgitating what other players are saying. TubeHunter is really apt at saying lots of things while actually saying nothing.
More of the same.
Now he is trying to say some townie things... right after OTHER people are saying them. Not offering his own original content, just /barning everyone all day every day.
His final post before the lynch, stating the obvious, that which everyone else has already said.
Vote: TubeHunter
After so many posts of /barning others without saying anything of his own (other than the gentle push of the Suga wagon), I can't ses how he is anything but scum who correctly identified a mislynch early and then hid under layers of agreeing with others.
I"m just an impatient guy? When suga is clearly not going to give you anymore information, and you have (IMO) a valid reason to not claim, I figured that we really had nothing else to solve that couldn't be got on day 2, given thatI know that you were impatient to lynch Suga. I don't know why, if you are town, that you would be impatient to do so. What does the town have to gain from lynching without more information? It would seem that the scum have more to gain from that happening...
I know that Suga was the lynch yesterday for quite a while throughout the day, everyone did. Suga had given up, and scum or town, he wasn't helping the town either way. The reason I didn't claim (as explained by myself and others yesterday) was that the town had absolutely nothing to gain (and lots to lose) considering we had already decided that Suga was the day's lynch. If I am a vanilla townie, the claim is a wash. If I am a PR, the claim is detrimental to the town because it gives the scum a perfect
nightkill target, and neither situation was going to change the lynch situation as we had already come to a decision.
And to your last point...You address exactly that in this post. It wouldn't look great for you if you were to jump on my early wagon because there was no real foundation to it; waiting for someone to actually act scummy is a much better idea for ScumTube.I kind of want to go along with Iso and Stardust and put some pressure on checkbox to start this game going, however I don't really want toacccedentally lynch a townie for not a great reason like that
Ugh, god, why do you keep making posts that make me feel like you're scum? (Before someone asks: it feels like this post is fishing for an inexperienced PR to come in and say "Oh hey, I can clear one of those!")Unvote
I think the scumteam is among Red/Tube/Clownfish. Unfortunately, I'm not too optimistic about the town winning this one, as cases can be made on all 3 of these players, and short of some sort of confirmation through either a Tracker or a Jailer, I don't think we'll be able to PoE our options very well.
Stardust, I'm open to suggestions.
(Just to answer your rhetorical question: I did.)I'm not fishing.
My problem with raising a case in this instance is that I'm genuinely not sure of what direction I want to go. While I want to help give the town direction, the issue here is that I don't want to waste my time casing a townie in the event that it turns out to be a waste of my time like casing rcw was. (Seriously, who read my case?)
I lost a lot of my clout after Suga flipped town. I'd like input. That's why I'm talking to Stardust. Not you.
Either I'm misunderstanding you or you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying I think that Scumraspy would be on the Suga wagon, because he would be looking for a quick lynch. Since he wasn't, it seems to corroborate the fact that he is an unsure townie instead."My current read of raspy is town, mostly because it doesn't make sense that he would be scum and not jump on the Suga wagon."
This, right?
Why does being scum necessarily exclude someone from being on the Suga wagon?
Suga's really the only person we can DEFINITIVELY confirm as town, so his word carries a good amount of weight to me. While he didn't give us much other than his hunch to go on, he is an experienced player so I have to assume he had some reads. We were pretty much all on his wagon, not just Checkbox and Iso, so why single them out?So as soon as I flip town on this lynch, I want my fellow townies to investigate Checky and Iso. I see me a scum team there.
My suggestion is that you drop Clownfish.Unvote
I think the scumteam is among Red/Tube/Clownfish. Unfortunately, I'm not too optimistic about the town winning this one, as cases can be made on all 3 of these players, and short of some sort of confirmation through either a Tracker or a Jailer, I don't think we'll be able to PoE our options very well.
Stardust, I'm open to suggestions.
You know what? Nevermind. Answer that question anyway, but you're either town or a serious adrenaline-junky scum. I think you know what I mean when I say you'd have a 25% chance of survival, so we'll leave it at that and call you town.I was quite content to believe TubeHunter was town... actually, before I go on here - Iso! You believed TubeHunter was town too. What changed?
Why wait for Checkbox's case? You'd already stated that you were rereading and had a handful of suspects. Why not get something started for yourself?Nothing much in the going on's today. Still waiting on Checkbox's case vs me.
What makes you think you haven't played well?I admit I haven't played well, that for sure.
You didn't answer my question.Well, I'm actually quite puzzled.
I don't really know if Suga's dying claims were just random or if they're worth any kind of extra thought, so I think my next step will be re-reading some older posts in order to get some kind of hint.
Anyway I'm at work and I won't be home tonight, so I guess I will not offer too much content in the next 7+ hours.