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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:51 am

Won the GPT at 7-0-2.
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:53 am

What'd you play against?
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:00 am

GR Monsters 2-1
Esper Control 2-0
Esper Control 2-1
Mono Black 2-1
Mono U 2-0
ID into Top 8
Mono U 2-0
Golgari. Midrange 2-1
Esper Control 2-0

Asuka made four appearances and was as expected, undefeated.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:03 am

I can never be defeated! [/Asuka]
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Postby Guttler » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:17 am

Congratsulations Zemanjaski.

I haven't been playing burn this season, but what do ya'll think about Elixer of Immortality in the sideboard for the burn mirror match.

By playing it you're trading for 1-2 cards from them, while putting more gas in your deck relative to land to increase your chances of top decking useful spells. The problem is that you're presumably running in place of another card which more then likely would deal 2 damage.

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Postby Deht » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:22 am

RW Burn was very popular at my local store, saw about 6 or 7 people piloting it at FNM. They're all using somewhat sub-optimal lists and not running any of the spicy sideboard tech that folks are running here, though.
Won the GPT at 7-0-2.
Good work, Sir.

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Postby LaZerBurn » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:33 am

Won the GPT at 7-0-2.
Well done! :)
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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:45 am

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Postby Deht » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:53 am

Aha, you're running assemble too?

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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:59 am

[deck=Zemanjaski's Boros Burn 1st at GPT Nagoya 22-March-14]
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Enchantments
3 Chained to the Rocks

Instants
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
3 Searing Blood
3 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Warleader's Helix

Lands
2 Boros Guildgate
10 Mountain
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Sideboard
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Blind Obedience
1 Chained to the Rocks
4 Firedrinker Satyr
2 Mizzium Mortars
1 Mutavault
1 Spark Trooper
3 Young Pyromancer[/deck]

Probably write a report tomorrow, be patient and no dumb questions.
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Postby Deht » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:23 am

[deck=Zemanjaski's Boros Burn 1st at GPT Nagoya 22-March-14]
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Enchantments
3 Chained to the Rocks

Instants
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
3 Searing Blood
3 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Warleader's Helix

Lands
2 Boros Guildgate
10 Mountain
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Sideboard
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Blind Obedience
1 Chained to the Rocks
4 Firedrinker Satyr
2 Mizzium Mortars
1 Mutavault
1 Spark Trooper
3 Young Pyromancer[/deck]

Probably write a report tomorrow, be patient and no dumb questions.
Nice list. I played around with 2 Assembles in the
sideboard and it made for some hilarious blow outs G2, but cutting / adjusting anything in this deck's list is really tough. That card is a lot of fun to watch it get out of control, though. Even better when people try and race it.

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Postby NerdBoyWonder » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:28 pm

Awesome job Z! Looking forward to the write up

In other related news finally got around to posting the finals video from the GPT I won: Comments, critique, etc welcomed.
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Postby zeromuzuki » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:00 pm

@NerdBoyWonder

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have matter but at the 3rd game, when you swung your Chandra's Phoenix into his Nightveil Spectre and he blocked with it and you casted Searing Blood before damage. If you casted it after damage was dealt you could've gotten both phoenix's back to your hand instead of just 1, but you still had mana up for a burn spell to get the other phoenix back. Great games tho ! Congrats on the GPT win.

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Postby LaZerBurn » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:11 pm

@ NBW

G1 - Ouch :( Be interested in what you mulled though. May I suggest thorough pile shuffling after a mull too :)

G2 - Nicely played - your composure was excellent :)

G3 - What zeromuzuki said :)

Really well played - your understanding of the match up was apparent throughout and I was very impressed with your composure - so much so I've had to mention it twice :)
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Postby Elricity » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:24 pm

@Nerdboy, woo, purphoros mat!

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Postby zeromuzuki » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:20 pm

Man.. been getting horrible luck after my PTQ against GR/Jund Monsters... any tips? Or my mindset been too bad. I sideboard in 2 FC, 1 Mortars, 2 CtR, 2 BO for 4 Ashys and 3 Skullcracks. Without the Firedancer in my sideboard I am at a lost..

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Postby LaZerBurn » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:24 pm

Put the Firedancer back in your board?
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Postby NerdBoyWonder » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:44 pm

@NerdBoyWonder

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have matter but at the 3rd game, when you swung your Chandra's Phoenix into his Nightveil Spectre and he blocked with it and you casted Searing Blood before damage. If you casted it after damage was dealt you could've gotten both phoenix's back to your hand instead of just 1, but you still had mana up for a burn spell to get the other phoenix back. Great games tho ! Congrats on the GPT win.
Right when I did that I realized I misplayed there and could have gotten both back. Testing partner pointed it out too after the match was over. That played happened from doing the same thing with Ash Zealot all day. Definitely won't happen again.
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Postby NerdBoyWonder » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:55 pm

@ NBW

G1 - Ouch :( Be interested in what you mulled though. May I suggest thorough pile shuffling after a mull too :)

G2 - Nicely played - your composure was excellent :)

G3 - What zeromuzuki said :)

Really well played - your understanding of the match up was apparent throughout and I was very impressed with your composure - so much so I've had to mention it twice
First hand was all burn and a mutavault. Second hand was all lands. Third hand was all burn no lands.

And thank you sir and everyone in this thread for contributing. The idiscussion in this thread was extremely valuable and was largely responsible for my performance at the GPT.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:22 pm

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Postby dauntless268 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:23 pm

Yes, and one which clearly has a top and a bottom side... but seriously: Congratulations, James - on winning and on the next apparently successful iteration of your ever-changing sideboard! :)
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Postby Elricity » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:28 pm

@NerdBoyWonder

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have matter but at the 3rd game, when you swung your Chandra's Phoenix into his Nightveil Spectre and he blocked with it and you casted Searing Blood before damage. If you casted it after damage was dealt you could've gotten both phoenix's back to your hand instead of just 1, but you still had mana up for a burn spell to get the other phoenix back. Great games tho ! Congrats on the GPT win.
Actually, that shouldn't matter either way. Searing blood's trigger goes to the stack when the creature dies and since phoenix died at the same time, it would have still been legal to get it back as well.

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Postby JohnnyfnB » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:44 pm

Congratsulations Zemanjaski.

I haven't been playing burn this season, but what do ya'll think about Elixer of Immortality in the sideboard for the burn mirror match.

By playing it you're trading for 1-2 cards from them, while putting more gas in your deck relative to land to increase your chances of top decking useful spells. The problem is that you're presumably running in place of another card which more then likely would deal 2 damage.
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Postby JohnnyfnB » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:48 pm

[deck=Zemanjaski's Boros Burn 1st at GPT Nagoya 22-March-14]
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Enchantments
3 Chained to the Rocks

Instants
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
3 Searing Blood
3 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Warleader's Helix

Lands
2 Boros Guildgate
10 Mountain
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Sideboard
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Blind Obedience
1 Chained to the Rocks
4 Firedrinker Satyr
2 Mizzium Mortars
1 Mutavault
1 Spark Trooper
3 Young Pyromancer[/deck]

Probably write a report tomorrow, be patient and no dumb questions.
Congrats burnmeister general.
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Postby zeromuzuki » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:49 pm


Actually, that shouldn't matter either way. Searing blood's trigger goes to the stack when the creature dies and since phoenix died at the same time, it would have still been legal to get it back as well.
Sir, you are actually right! Forgot about seperate triggers of searing blood when it actually comes into effect. Thanks for reminding me.

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GPT Nagoya Report, 1st

Postby zemanjaski » Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:32 am

Just a quick report today, mostly just a games recap.

Rd1. GR Monsters

I win the roll and curve Searing Blood into double Phoenix. Not much more to say really.

Game 2 is quite reasonable. I don't have a Phoenix or Young Pyromancer, so I am on the burn plan (which is often fine, it makes Scavenging Ooze weaker and makes their removal dead); its going well until he topdecks a Bow of Nylea (he told me after he had two in the board, expecting burn, which was reasonable). I was able to put him dead to a topdeck 3 point burn spell, but I missed the crucial draw and the game slipped from my grasp afterwards.

Game 3 I had shock for his dork into young pyro. He passed without playing a second land and the game was immediately over.

2-1

Rd2. Esper Control

My opponent won the roll, telling me it was his first non-FNM event. I didn't have a
threat, and had two Shocks in my opener, so it was a bit of a struggle, but he declined to counter any of my spells until he was at 5 life; so I was able to tap him out on his endstep, untap and kill him. You know, routine stuff.

Game 2 he mulligans to six and I Firedrinker on Turn 1. He plays Blind Obedience and succumbs to the Firedrinker plus Mutavault into burn draw.

2-0

Rd3. Esper Control

I lose the roll but the round goes much like the last one; him declining to counter and me whittling him down EOT. I flood a bit though, but find a line that brings him to three if I tap out (I have Zealot and Mutavault as attackers), which if not good enough, at least leaves me drawing live to burn to kill him (I know he didnt have Jace in hand at this point). Instead he taps out for Blood Baron and my jaw hits the floor - apparently he maindecks three. Well fuck me kid, you got me.

I mulligan to six on the play, leading with Firedrinker and Young Pyromancer on turn 2 before he
casts Blind Obedience. His mana is a bit awkward from there and I start making tokens, before Boros charming his Verdict, so he scoops.

Its his turn to mulligan in game 3 and when he misses his 4th land drop for a turn I quickly run him over with Mutavaults. He's a bit salty afterwards, but he did congratulate me after and did Top 8.

2-1

Rd4. Mono Black

Playing a member of Australia's best mtg team. Game 1 is really interesting and played at a very high skill level on both sides. unfortunately, I don't draw an answer to his Spectre so I have to try and burn him out before he can cast something relevant. He kills me with a Boros Charm in something so ironic we both couldn't help but laugh.

Game 2 I am on the play so am all-in on creatures. I get a reasonably aggressive draw of Zealot into Phoenix, though discard wrecks my hand. I topdeck quite strongly though, and am able to burn him out before he can really get any offense going (he had taken out Pack Rat, so wasnt really able to take an aggressive position easily).

Game 3 on the draw I side out all creatures and try to next level him. He has no early discard, so his removal sits in hand, while I topdeck Assemble the Legion. Here's his face:
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2-1

Rd5. Mono U

Opp declines my offer to ID (at this point we'd be locked in). I win the roll and his first play is a turn 2 cloudfin (kept double scryland). Ash Zealot into Phoenix backed up by burn quickly finish him before he can really get going

Game 2 I have turn 2 Young Pyromancer and he doesn't have an answer.

2-0

Rd6. ID into Top 8

Quarterfinal. Mono U

Because of the new Top 8 rules I am on the play and have a stupid all insane burn hand (two searing blood, two boros charm, three land inc. vault). He gets crushed.
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Game 2 he has a very strong draw, but a YP and Asuka keep me alive, buying me a huge amount of time. I am eventually able to manufacture a board state where my opponent has to go all-in on the attacks because of his dwindling life total ~ I am at 11, he attacks with Master, 4 tokens, Mutavault, Frostburn and Thassa, with a freshly played Frostburn back on defence. A Searing Blood on one token and a Jet to the face give me enough tokens to survive, and I kill him on the crack back after using Chains on his blocker (thanks Magma Jet!).

2-0

Semifinal Golgari Midrange

Opponent is play a cool brew with Elvish Mystic, Lothleth Troll, Dreg Mangler, Varolz, Reaper of the Wilds and some removal and disruption. I mulligan to 5 game 1 and don't draw a second land, so the strat of the match is pretty frustrating.

Game 2 I have Searing Blood for his Elf and a Phoenix. That and burn eventually get him after he spends four removal spells to try and slow the bird down.

Game 3 he
keeps a slow hand with only a Troll, that gets Chained. Otherwise his hand is all removal and he opts to Decay my Pyromancer instead of the Chained. I guess there are arguments either way. I scry into a Phoenix and that does him in.

2-1

Final. Esper Control

Opponent agrees to concede to me (I can go to Japan, he can't), but still wants to play. Fair enough. Game 1 is more of the usual, beat you to death with Mutavault(s) and hold up Skullcrack. Kill you when you need to go for a desperation Revelation.

Game 2 Young Pyromancer makes a horde of tokens and ends the game. My opponent tells me that he isn't running Supreme Verdict in his 75; he'd cut it for the full 4 thoughtseize and 2 more removal spells; improving his matchups in the mirror and against MBC. Still, kind of awkward against Asuka right?

2-0
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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:36 am

No Verdict is so very wrong
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Postby DXI-Edge » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:50 am

Sounds like you brought in Assemble the Legion alot.

Also, you bring in YP$ in vs. GR? Thats interesting

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:56 am

Assemble the Legion only game in for the MBC match.
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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:04 am

assemble this!

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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:44 am

patrick sullivan referenced the rw burn deck that 'top 32ed the australian gp' when commentating burn against jund monsters

nice friend zem
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Postby zenbitz » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:09 am

"Creature less" game 3 vs mono black is Phoenix's only? Or just 1?

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:25 am

You can tell by looking at my sideboard.
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Postby LaZerBurn » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:41 am

These are most pleasing :)

http://i.imgur.com/G9lf3u6.png
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@ Zem 'k I've looked at the SB :) And I'm thinking something like this?

Vs Esper
IN 4 FDS 3 YP 1 Spark 1 Mutavault
OUT 3 Shock 3 Cttr 3 Searing Blood

Vs B (on the play)
IN 4 FDS 3 YP 1 Spark 1 Assemble 1 CttR
OUT 3 Shock 4 Magma Jet 2 Searing Blood

Vs B (on the draw)
IN 1 Assemble 2 BO 1 Spark 1 CttR
OUT 4 Ash Zealot

Vs G/R & Jund Monsters
IN 2 MM 1 Spark 3 YP 2 BO
OUT 4 Skullcrack 4 Ash Zealot

Vs U Devo
IN 2 MM 1 Spark 3 YP
OUT 2 Skullcrack 4 Ash Zealot

Vs Mirror
IN 2 BO 1 CttR 1 Mutavault
OUT 4
Ash Zealot

EDITED to remove Spark Vs B and put more land in for the mirror :)
EDITED, again, cos, er, I'm retarded :)
Last edited by LaZerBurn on Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:07 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:46 am

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:59 am

Some of that should be obviously wrong though.

Spark Trooper vs B?

I've stated how I board for the mirror many times.
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Postby LaZerBurn » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:12 am

Spark was a bit off the mark I'll admit :)

I thought that was how you boarded for the mirror? Ash out, BO and CttR in? I'm off to re-read the thread :) I'm happy I provided dumb answers rather than dumb questions though, I'm counting that as a move in the right direction :)
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Postby Crims0n » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:16 am

wow those were some serious rage quitters in those pics! haha i love it

I feel like young pyro has been so gooood. i wanna main it so bad

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:26 am

-4 Zealot, +1 Chains, +2 BO, +1 Mutavault. He who safely resolves his Helixes wins.
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6 - Self-aware zem
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Postby LaZerBurn » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:27 am

-4 Zealot, +1 Chains, +2 BO, +1 Mutavault. He who safely resolves his Helixes wins.
Got there! I edited my last post as you were typing :) Thanks muchly and well done again :)
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