Dies to Removal

I said you got on a wagon at an opportunistic time with a weak /barn reasoning

I didn't realize everyone had to have a 'unique' reason. I also stated that while i found his attempt to lynch KJ bad, I found it more unsettling that he didn't even address the two votes at him, whether to call them garbage, or so much as address them.

Third Vote Count.

Yanni (1)- Mogadishu Jones
Ximbad (5)- Manders, Col. Khaddafif, Phantoms, The Guardian, (G_R)
KillJoy (1)- Ximbad
Manders (1)- Yanni
The Guardian(1)- Captain Murphy
PhantomS- Imopen2

Not Voting: KillJoy, teefo,

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch
Let me know if there are any mistakes.(It's 6 in the morning here so make sure this time guys.)
CheckBox has been added to the replacement list; Mogasdishu Jones, Imopen2, Manders and KillJoy have been prod'd. Please Bold your Prod requests or they won't be noticed.

if killjoy doesn't respond you should probably just let checkbox replace him since he is actually an active poster on this site

i am not really sure that ximbad is scum but i can see why he looks that way, if he was going to vote a lurker he should have given that as the reason why, he should explain his reasons for voting more in his vote posts, i don't seeing him being definite scum but i can't say he is playing very well as town or scum *shrug*

i think the wagon on him picked up speed way to quick and someone on there is probably scum, just not sure who yet.

Why, Manders, do you want a soft-claim? And after suggesting it, why not go specific with what your idea of a soft claim might be?

Because I'm just stimulating discussion?

I know nothing of Adventure Time.

Seems like a dumb way to stimulate discussion and just points a massive glowing neon sign at you.

I have nothing to hide, therefore nothing to fear from attention.

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If you have no idea about adventure time then a soft claim would be completely pointless, so why do it? I don't understand your reasoning.

It locks people into whatever they were to claim now. Scum have been caught from soft-claiming one thing, then claiming another Days later, hoping to not be caught. And, I don't have to know the flavor to soft-claim. I can always ask Shalako/look it up.

I don't like the idea of soft claiming or any claiming at all this early in the game for no reason, kind of feel like it is a bit disrespectful to the game mod.

It's not at all, so don't worry about that.

oh boy manders

We all know thats a terrible excuse to softclaim

How so? And what is a good excuse to softclaim?

Hahaha the votes on manders are bad to properly read her you have to pretend you have a vagina.

i actually agree with kp like she isn't really acting scummy she is just being really dumb and wanting to soft claim for literally no reason

Really? Cause you seemed to think I was being scummy, though you, admittedly, didn't vote for me. Your comments struck me as you were suspecting me. When did that change?

Yanni, if my answer was so important that you made it a point to mention it in a previous post, why did you just ignore that you'd obtained it?

why do I have to respond to posts the minute they come up? I want time to think about your response before responding.

See, I'm not buying this. If this was the case, you would have at least said, "Mhm," or something of the sort. Instead, you completely ignored that I'd responded.

I want to know why.

I also think that your answer is absolute trash and it bothers the hell out of me for just trying to stimulate discussion because we already had discussion going about spammy RVS posts and after agreeing with Phantoms you posted this
http://community.ist.utl.pt/posting.php ... 13&p=22094

unvote GR, vote manders

What, about whether spammy posts were bad for the town? Yes, because that is EVERYTHING we should be talking about during RVS.

There's nothing wrong with discussing more than one topic at a time.

This next post gave me my biggest scumdar bleep out of all the posts, and no one mentioned it.

I wouldn't put behind Yanni just being awful town

What are you basing this on? Have you ever played with Yanni before?

I do find the string of imopen2 posts though...

You're missing a verb. What do you mean by this?
unvote: yanni; vote Captain Murphy


Yanni wagon seems too thin to go anywhere.

So far I like what teefo has to say, but he hasn't really brought up anything meaty.

god this post bothers the hell out of me

Me, too.

[quote="The Guardian » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:08 pm&
quot;]To confirm what he said: Jones's aggressive play style is nothing new from salvation mafia, which is why he isn't ringing any bells.

More votes on Manders. She may not have played in a while, but that just seems like such poor play from town to go...Soft claim...what should we soft claim?[/quote]
Right, and you've never seen me say something like this before, have you?

I don't know how "Hahahaha What a guy!", indicates Yanni is the right wagon.

I have my reason for voting Manders. We are 129 posts in with her being pretty lurky. At least Yanni is attempting to post.

See, here's the problem. "Lurky" implies that I've been reading and not posting. The
truth of the matter is that I haven't even been able to read. I don't have a phone at this time, which WAS my primary source of reading. I don't really have time to read and post on most days. In fact, it appears I can only guarantee I'll be able to post one day a week. If you guys can't accept that and want me to replace out, I'll do it. But, if you'll be patient with me, I'll promise at least one content-filled post a week, and will do my best to post more than that.

Tell me what you want me to do now, but if I stay in this game, I'm not going to accept anyone using my activity as a reason to suspect me. And, I must say, I'm surprised you're the first one to state as such.

I see, you're saying that FOS is scummy
because its similar to what Ximbad was doing which is jumping between votes, except FOS avoids getting caught in a myslinch so it would keep scum under the radar. Its what you are saying right? I'd vote for Ximbad then but then the question is, where are the advantages of making FOS? surely there more than just negatives

The only advantage to making an FoS is that you'll have an undocumented (by the mod, at least) position on someone out there to refer to later. This is only an advantage to scum, though, imo.

Lynching lurkers is pretty standard.

Lol, not at all. Lynching lurkers is lazy. You pressure them into posting as best you can and replace them if it doesn't work.

Top scum picks are Yanni, Ximbad, and Scumbag. Gut feeling says Phantom is town. I can't read kpaca, like always. Hopefully time will
tell on him.

This next post gave me my biggest scumdar bleep out of all the posts, and no one mentioned it.

I wouldn't put behind Yanni just being awful town

What are you basing this on? Have you ever played with Yanni before?

No, but I see him posting everyday. He seems to keep the same style in this game.

Also, why does this comment strikes high in your scumdar?

I hate this quoting system of nested quotes. It upsets me and makes me sad to muilti quote.

I have nothing to hide, therefore nothing to fear from attention.

*shrugs*. Words are wind.

It locks people into whatever they were to claim now. Scum have been caught from soft-claiming one thing, then claiming another Days later, hoping to not be caught. And, I don't have to know the flavor to soft-claim. I can always ask Shalako/look it up.

Why didn't you ask before bringing up your idea is my point.

Right, and you've never seen me say something like this before, have you?

Don't flatter yourself. I hardly remember the specifics of games. I never remember you just blanketing soft claiming.

Tell me what you want me to do now, but if I stay in this game, I'm not going to accept anyone using my activity as a reason to suspect me. And, I must say, I'm surprised you're the first one to state as such.

I simply said why I was going after you. You being lurky/
silent/non-active/whatever wording you want had nothing to do with the orignal vote, and as such, I was not in fact using that as a reason to suspect you.

I realize the rest of you have so much better things to do, such as bitching about salvation, but aside from CM, can we please focus on this game?

Well, clearly that did not work. I tried to pull the parts I wanted to quote, and it appeared like that. Sorry =/

I'm fixing on the fly. Whenever someone has problems quoting, just leave it as is, and I'll fix

So, I thought TG had considerably more votes and Ximbad didn't have quite so many. In hindsight, I should have unvoted Ximbad earlier.

I realize the rest of you have so much better things to do, such as bitching about salvation, but aside from CM, can we please focus on this game?

Here we see a player self-destructing, getting aggressive and personal as a result of pressure on him. I like having my vote here.

unvote: Ximbad
vote: The Guardian

It's what I get for spending my time ITT when I'm dead tired from work.

My last post was Thursday.

Between that time, no one has responded at all to my previous post or anything recent (Manders was a catch-up post, and N_S responding to Manders), and after playing a recent game with nothing but lurkers and one spammer that makes Iso look tame, yes, I am irratated with the inactivity.

Also, what pressure? I had, 1/2 votes, with Manders simply responding and not questioning me? Bad vote is bad.

I have nothing to hide, therefore nothing to fear from attention.

Good for you.

It locks people into whatever they were to claim now. Scum have been caught from soft-claiming one thing, then claiming another Days later, hoping to not be caught. And, I don't have to know the flavor to soft-claim. I can always ask Shalako/look it up.

It's not at all, so don't worry about that.

soft claiming roles based on flavour strikes me as disrespectful to the mod, why are you telling me not to worry about something that is a personal opinion? did you talk to
shalako about this or something?

also can you please explain what kind of soft claim you are even talking about before you try to justify it (if you have done this earlier someone should remind me)

How so? And what is a good excuse to softclaim?

Traditionally desperate times or situations where it would clearly help weed out scum.

Really? Cause you seemed to think I was being scummy, though you, admittedly, didn't vote for me. Your comments struck me as you were suspecting me. When did that change?

I never said you were scummy I said you were dumb there is a pretty big difference.

is there a search feature for looking at one individuals posts in this thread because that would really help

Blue Bar just above New Topic/Post Reply/Page X of X

Sort By=> Author

At the rate this crowd moves, 2/7 is pretty substantial pressure IMO. And I don't mean the rate of posts, I mean the rate of votes.

This next post gave me my biggest scumdar bleep out of all the posts, and no one mentioned it.

I wouldn't put behind Yanni just being awful town

What are you basing this on? Have you ever played with Yanni before?

No, but I see him posting everyday. He seems to keep the
same style in this game.

Also, why does this comment strikes high in your scumdar?

Because a person's personal style of posting is completely irrelevant to their in-game style of posting, so for you to use the excuse that you just did is terrible. I think you KNOW he's town and are setting yourself up to be the only one who was right if/when he flips town.

Unvote Vote: Col. Khaddafi

It locks people into whatever they were to claim now. Scum have been caught from soft-claiming one thing, then claiming another Days later, hoping to not be caught. And, I don't have to know the
flavor to soft-claim. I can always ask Shalako/look it up.

Why didn't you ask before bringing up your idea is my point.

Why would I want to ask him about a wide range of stuff related to the flavor instead of find out what we're going to soft claim, THEN ask him?

Answer is I wouldn't and didn't.

Right, and you've never seen me say something like this before, have you?

Don't flatter yourself. I hardly remember the specifics of games. I never remember you just blanketing soft claiming.

Well, I have. So, what, are you going to make me out to be scum for it?

Tell me what you want me to do now, but if I stay in this game, I'm not going to accept anyone using my activity as a reason to suspect me. And, I must say, I'm surprised you're the first one to state as such.

I simply said why I was going after you. You being lurky/silent/non-active/whatever wording you want had nothing to do with the orignal vote, and as such, I was not in fact using that as a reason to suspect you.

Maybe you weren't at first, but mentioning it in the way that you did was absolutely meant as an attack on my activity. Are you trying to deny that's what you did there?

I realize the rest of you have so much better things to do, such as bitching about salvation, but aside
from CM, can we please focus on this game?

I don't know what CM is, but anything else we do on this site is irrelevant to the game. You mentioning "bitching about salvation" shows you are butthurt about our feelings towards your primary site. If this is the case, dude, just go back. No one in Mafia wants to argue about that place, nor do we want to be judged for how we feel about it. We're here to play a game and have fun.

My last post was Thursday.

Between that time, no one has responded at all to my previous post or anything recent (Manders was a catch-up post, and N_S responding to Manders), and after playing a recent game with nothing but lurkers and one spammer that makes Iso look tame, yes, I am irratated with the inactivity.

Also, what pressure? I had, 1/2 votes, with Manders simply
responding and not questioning me? Bad vote is bad.

I'm not questioning you because I don't think you're scum. Yet. I know I'm bad at reading you, so I'm DEFINITELY watching you, but this seems like typical early-game Xander play to me.

It locks people into whatever they were to claim now. Scum have been caught from soft-claiming one thing, then claiming another Days later, hoping to not be caught. And, I don't have to know the flavor to soft-claim. I can always ask Shalako/look it up.

It's not at all, so don't worry about that.

soft claiming roles based on flavour strikes me as disrespectful to the mod, why are you telling me
not to worry about something that is a personal opinion? did you talk to shalako about this or something?

I'm telling you not to worry about it because Shalako will not find it disrespectful. Soft-claiming is very in-the-norm on Sally and every mod expects it will happen eventually. I prefer to do them as soon as possible so as to potentially catch scum off-guard.

Here's the ideal situation: we soft-claim early, and scum are caught off-guard and forced to lie. As the game progresses, they forget what they claimed earlier, and when it's time for them to full-claim, they claim something else. Some awesome townie either remembers, has notes reminding him/her, or re-reads it, and sees that his full-claim doesn't match his soft-claim. Scum caught. It can and does happen.

also can you please explain what kind of soft claim you are even talking about before you try to justify it (if you have done this earlier someone should remind me)

I didn't propose
a specific soft claim because I know nothing of the flavor. Nor do I intend to, so if you guys are all against a soft-claim, then whatevs.

How so? And what is a good excuse to softclaim?

Traditionally desperate times or situations where it would clearly help weed out scum.

Yeah, I wasn't asking you that. Please don't answer questions directed at others.

Really? Cause you seemed to think I was being scummy, though you, admittedly, didn't vote for me. Your comments struck me as you were suspecting me. When did that change?

I never said you were scummy I said you were dumb there is
a pretty big difference.

I got the implication that you were saying I was scummy. I'll re-read it and get back to you on this.

I'm certainly not dumb, though. Nor is proposing a soft-claim.

This next post gave me my biggest scumdar bleep out of all the posts, and no one mentioned it.

I wouldn't put behind Yanni just being awful
town

What are you basing this on? Have you ever played with Yanni before?

No, but I see him posting everyday. He seems to keep the same style in this game.

Also, why does this comment strikes high in your scumdar?

Because a person's personal style of posting is completely irrelevant to their in-game style of posting

lolwut?

Unvote Vote: Col. Khaddafi

Okay Then

Ha, voting for khadaffi

Ha, voting for khadaffi

what's democracy.

See, I'm not buying this. If this was the case, you would have at least said, "Mhm," or something of the sort. Instead, you completely ignored that I'd responded.

I want to know why.

lol completely ignored? I answered your question after I had time to process. Spamming with "lol k" would have been less beneficial than mulling it over for a bit.

also ximbad needs to claimn

also ximbad needs to claimn

Now that the wagon has gone down from 5 to 4 because I had no idea it got as deep as it did you want him to claim?

Why do you guys not want to kill Yanni seriously.

Still think guardian should be lynched but Christ yanni really? The wagon had one accidental quote malfunction vote as it was, why the eagerness for claims?

he hit l-2...?
that's claim range laffo

also what quote malfunction

Did you not read my xim wagon analysis?

yeah but the quote you quoted saying "lol imopen2's vote was a quote fail" but you linked to Khaddaffi fosing Ximbad so I haven't seen this alleged voting quote fail

Look back to page 2-3, I thought people could remember 4 pages of discussion

Yanni pays no attention to what's happening in thread and doesn't even double-check when told to. He is now defending asking for a claim from a user who is not actually at L-2. Come. On. Guys.

Still think guardian should be lynched but Christ yanni really? The wagon had one accidental quote malfunction vote as it was, why the eagerness for claims?

Votes for yanni are a good thing

Yanni has yet to even dignify his scuminess with a response that isnt akin to "laffo". Ergo he is scum.

infidel

I'm def. not a fan of day one.

Ximbad vote jumping still unsettles me more than the random posting of Yanni (for lack of better hints)

Also, some players could be replaced at this point? Shalako? We have checkbox as a replacement, did Killjoy answer to the prod?

Is someone typically lynched on day 1? Or is it more typical to have a no-lynch vote?

From what I understood from mafia theory, no lynch is the worse outcome possible for town because it sets mafia one turn ahead (card advantage if you will), so I think its a very rare occurence, and only when you are undecided about guy A or B. Likely almost never on day one.

Not necessarily true. In an open set-up, going no-lynch without realizing roles can help our investigative role get a free-night most of the time.

In this case your right, that no-lynch would be bad, but meh.

@Jones: Yanni hasn't changed since the beginning, why is it taking you this long to go after him?

No-lynch is almost always atrocious for the town. It does suck when a townie is lynched but it still generates a lot of information for the town.

Not necessarily true. In an open set-up, going no-lynch without realizing roles can help our investigative role get a free-night most of the time.

In this case your right, that no-lynch would be bad, but meh.

@Jones: Yanni hasn't changed since the beginning, why is it taking you this long to go after him?

What? He voted Yanni on friggin' page two.

Totes fine with a Yanni or Guardian lynch.

Not necessarily true. In an open set-up, going no-lynch without realizing roles can help our investigative role get a free-night most of the time.

In this case your right, that no-lynch would be bad, but meh.

@Jones: Yanni hasn't changed since the beginning, why is it taking you this long to go after him?

Please follow rule 19.

Also, some players could be replaced at this point? Shalako? We have checkbox as a replacement, did Killjoy answer to the prod?

Killjoy was prodded 1/11 and will have 3 days to respond.{1/14}