Dies to Removal

We need posts in appeals because that is our process, but if you go back through everything that I have said I never asked for anyone to apologize (I don't think I have since I don't believe in force apologies). Others have, but I have 2 young kids and know enough from them that saying "Say you are sorry" means "Show that you submit to my authority and will make an insincere gesture to your brother.&
quot; I mean, I suppose others might want it and for them I guess they should come here and take a knee or whatever, but I don't care if you are "sorry" only that you are looking for long term solutions and aren't harboring malice that shows up on the website I work for. Grovel to someone else
(Is it really supposed to take clicking Submit 4 times to post here? Is that in my settings?)

So if you guys are not looking for apologies, why do we have to appeal again? that doesn't make sense.

I can't speak for others but I need something that shows you want to be on the site for what it has to offer and not because you want to crusade. Other might want apologies, but I just want people not to cause trouble.

Tango down.

Well am I good or am I not?

The point is I have already made a detailed post ITT (and I'm sure every single staff member who is invested on "solving" these issues has read it ITT too) mentioning we'd be willing bygones be bygones if we were to be unbanned and that speaking for myself I would have no particular incentive to be a "troublemeaker" or "rabble-rouser" (as you put it), and if I were to humor some of you guys on staff by making an appeal on the MTGS cave, I'd repost exactly this.
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So again, if we are looking towards the future instead of the past, and if the idea is moving beyond apologies, finger pointing at who was ultimately responsible of all he bad that occurred to our community in the past 6months, what is the point of you guys not budging about the necessity to make an appeal in private if it isn't precisely for doing what you mentioned is unnecessary: groveling to the staff and being humiliated on a hidden corner of MTGS.

Surely you understand where I'm coming from.

Tango down.

Your fucked sir.

The point is I have already made a detailed post ITT (and I'm sure every single staff member who is invested on "solving" these issues has read it ITT too) mentioning we'd be willing bygones be bygones if we were to be unbanned and that speaking for myself I would have no particular incentive to be a "troublemeaker" or "rabble-rouser" (as you put it), and if I were to humor some of you guys on staff by making an appeal on the MTGS cave, I'd repost exactly this.

So again, if we are looking towards the future instead of the past, and if the idea is moving
beyond apologies, finger pointing at who was ultimately responsible of all he bad that occurred to our community in the past 6months, what is the point of you guys not budging about the necessity to make an appeal in private if it isn't precisely for doing what you mentioned is unnecessary: groveling to the staff and being humiliated on a hidden corner of MTGS.

Surely you understand where I'm coming from.

I very much do understand where you are coming from. I am also much more concerned about the future than the past, but people are looking at your past to determine future actions. Frankly, there have been more than a few times where your previous actions have made my jaw drop. I can move on though but what happens the first time you don't like something on the site? How many mods do I lose? This might seem like dramatics, but it's not. People quit over this stuff. Unbanning you will
likely cause 1-2 people to quit too. It will cause a fight amongst the mods and will likely piss off a lot of regular members.

So, while I have my own hair-brained ideas about how to run a reasonably large online forum I have to factor in as many things as I can and right now there are a lot of things surrounding this.

How many mods do I lose? This might seem like dramatics, but it's not.

Well am I good or am I not?

I can't answer that as it's not my sole decision.

It will cause a fight amongst the mods and will likely piss off a lot of regular members.

It will cause a fight amongst the mods and will likely piss off a lot of regular members.

%99 of your members could give less of a shit about the gutter or Site Drama.

Don't lose sight of that.

Well am I good or am I not?

I can't answer that as it's not my sole decision.

The point is I have already made a detailed post ITT (and I'm sure every single staff member who is invested on "solving" these issues has read it ITT too) mentioning we'd be willing bygones be bygones if we were to be unbanned and that speaking for myself I would have no particular incentive to be a "
troublemeaker" or "rabble-rouser" (as you put it), and if I were to humor some of you guys on staff by making an appeal on the MTGS cave, I'd repost exactly this.

So again, if we are looking towards the future instead of the past, and if the idea is moving beyond apologies, finger pointing at who was ultimately responsible of all he bad that occurred to our community in the past 6months, what is the point of you guys not budging about the necessity to make an appeal in private if it isn't precisely for doing what you mentioned is unnecessary: groveling to the staff and being humiliated on a hidden corner of MTGS.

Surely you understand where I'm coming from.

I very much do understand where you are coming from. I am also much more concerned about the future than the past, but people are looking at your past to determine future actions. Frankly, there have been more than a few times where your previous actions have made my jaw drop. I can move on though but what
happens the first time you don't like something on the site? How many mods do I lose? This might seem like dramatics, but it's not. People quit over this stuff. Unbanning you will likely cause 1-2 people to quit too. It will cause a fight amongst the mods and will likely piss off a lot of regular members.

So, while I have my own hair-brained ideas about how to run a reasonably large online forum I have to factor in as many things as I can and right now there are a lot of things surrounding this.

Tango down.

Your fucked sir.

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fuck you

I'd want to be on the site for Mafia and that's the only thing I would want to interact with.

Gal , can this be done?

Can I mask him out of everything but Mafia? Yes. Do I want a member on the site that we've deemed unsuitable for EVERYTHING except one forum? No. It's sort of an all or nothing deal for me. I've said this many times, but either you are good or you are not.[
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Not everyone is good or bad, there are defining lines.

I'm just stopping in to say I missed you all.

ALSO HIS FUCKING NAME IS INIGO MONTOYA YOU STUPID FUCKING SHIT GET IT RIGHT BEFORE I HAVE ANOTHER ANEURYSM.

What this thread needs is a fresh breath of spam.

(I say that in all seriousness, because absofuckinglutely nothing is going to be accomplished by all of this.)

Finally, can (or minimally limit) the spam. At least in public places. Of the posts that are visible to guests, there's a frighteningly high noise-signal ratio. (Amongst the highest I've seen anywhere, including CNN and Facebook.) Thirty meaningless spam posts in a row do absolutely nothing to draw people here and do a surprising amount to send them away. It's
just garbage posts. Put it in your TBGTE and leave it out of other places.

Galspanic, if you are expecting staff to quit over N.S's unbanning, then why wouldn't you go falsely announce his unbanning right now just to get those people off of your team? It would be a simple management exercise to expunge chaff from the mod group who are unable to demonstrate important skills to moderation such as: critical thinking, moving on, brainstorming, greater good versus selfishness, reading, empathy, not being a ragequitter, closing mouth when breathing, maturity and intelligence.

Frankly I am disappointed the administration is not using the Gutter unbans as a time to figure out who needs to be removed from the mod group until they can put the website before their personal bias and unbreakable grudges.

Galspanic, if you are expecting staff to quit over N.S's unbanning, then why wouldn't you go falsely announce his unbanning right now just to get those people off of your team? It would be a simple management exercise to expunge chaff from the mod group who are unable to demonstrate important skills to moderation such as: critical thinking, moving on, brainstorming, greater good versus selfishness, reading, empathy, not being a ragequitter, closing mouth when breathing, maturity and intelligence.

Frankly I am disappointed the administration is not using the Gutter unbans as a time to figure out who needs to be removed from the mod group until they can put the website before their personal bias and unbreakable grudges.

I'm just confused why you care about what people who weren't even involved with what happened and are speaking out of their butts Most of the time think.

Could you answer Yes/No to my post above the one you quoted please?

Can I mask him out of everything but Mafia? Yes. Do I want a member on the site that we've deemed unsuitable for EVERYTHING except one forum? No. It's sort of an
all or nothing deal for me. I've said this many times, but either you are good or you are not.

Not everyone is good or bad, there are defining lines.

Frankly I am disappointed the administration is not using the Gutter unbans as a time to figure out who needs to be removed from the mod group until they can put the website before their personal bias and unbreakable grudges.

Or just "Now that we're with Curse and have an active owner we're overstaffed. Who wants to step down, keeping in mind that we're trying to improve relations with all facets of our userbase?"

That's like a hospitality worker complaining that someone had a winge about the food and he had to calm them down, it comes with the job for Christ sake.

But, you guys don't know anything about having your friends beat up and dragged out, do you? .

That's like a hospitality worker complaining that someone had a winge about the food and he had to calm them down, it comes with the job for Christ sake.

To assume all new mods know exactly how CI drama effects their soon to be coworkers isn't really fair. But, you guys don't know anything about having your friends beat up and dragged out, do you? . The people we bring on now, I assume, know more about this stuff, but I'd rather they just hire on and have fun working their forum. We are
about there and anything that shakes that up will be slower to happen than some like.