Bioshock Mafia (Town Win)

[Captain Murphy]

@Captain:

- That doesn't mean this particular 12 player has 3 scum. I've stated my experience earlier, if you care to look. And I've played 12/13 player games with 2 scum before, albeit the scum roles were both godfathers. Yet you said with certainty there are 3 scum. That's what got me.

- Aggression is my playstyle. It's not alignment indicative. I do what I fucking want.

Here's some meta btw

Kaze as scum:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29631

Kaze as town:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ...
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There's plenty more meta over there, too.

Your other questions...?
I think I answered your hostility one.

Why did I find Witch scummy? Is that your question? Or are you asking me why I voted him? Those are two different things.

I naked voted WitchHunt as a reaction test. I did it to bait a possible scum flail, as well as pressure the wagon. I still half-think I got one from Rezombad in the form of a Chainsaw defense, but I'm putting them on the backburner for now. I'm getting town vibes from Rezombad since then.

You don't read my posts do you?

I don't care about meta

Why are you overly defensive?

You aren't "aggressive", proding nearly everyone in the game is aggressive. Calling people idiots isn't aggressive, it just shows how self-conscious you are at a single player calling you out.

Not to mention you have been on a lot of wagons already, including an OMGUS vote on me. Could you explain that?

nPlease answer all my questions. I don't want to keeps asking you and all I get back is "I'M NOT SCUM XOXO <3<3<3<3 VOTE MURPH BECAUSE HE EXPOSED MY COLD NAKED SCUM BODY TO THE TOWN WOLVES"

[Captain Murphy]

And like I said, over 20 games and always 3 scum, 9 town. I've played a bunch with yanni and others in this game. Its HIGHLY unlikely that there is 2 scum or 4 (or even some other odd number) so please don't straw man argument this.

[Captain Murphy]

This is my current problem in the game:

imopen is probably just a noob (he stated he was) and reading back and seeing the latest post, I don't feel as bad about him.
The kaze haze problem.
Droppin suga needs to post more
tubehinter needs to post more
lord maccas needs to post more
scumbag needs to post more
RedNihilist needs to post more

We have already had one wagon claim and another is coming and I hate having a null read on some players while we are pushing for other lynches.

[Kazekirimaru]

- I do.

- I'm not.

- What's there to explain? I play how I do.

[Kazekirimaru]

It is not "highly unlikely" and you cannot say - like you did - that there are three scum this game with certainty.

[Kazekirimaru]

Captain, how do you feel about imopen2? Any read?

[Captain Murphy]

Captain, how do you feel about imopen2? Any read?

Noob town at this point but I'm keeping watch.

It is not "highly unlikely" and you cannot say - like you did - that there are three scum this game with certainty.

I've never encountered a different number (except for large games) so I'm not going to automatically assume there is a different amount, lol. There might be an SK but there would still be 3 scum.

- I do.

- I'm not.

- What's there to explain? I play how I do.

Why did you OMGUS vote me?

[Captain Murphy]

And you are overly defensive, because it was one vote. A single player calling you out. WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH? DO YOU HATE BEING AT L-6? OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO BE LOVED BY ME AND IT BREAKS YOUR HEART?? <3<3<3<3

[Kazekirimaru]

- Last 12 player game I played had a godfather & a roleblocker. It was pretty balanced. You don't have to assume anything, is the thing. It's the way you said it. "There ARE three scum" not probably, not most likely. It's that certainty that throws me. I'm a huge fan of psychoanalysis. It's a big part of my scumhunting. So I'm not likely to let that go.

- Because you're scummy. But imopen2 is scummier right now.

Pedit: I don't give a fuck what you think, honestly. Believe what you want about me being overly defensive or not.

[Captain Murphy]

You will just have to love me how I am kaze because I'm not getting lynched

[Kazekirimaru]

You sound so sure.

[Kazekirimaru]

You do realize my vote isn't on you, right?

[Captain Murphy]

- Last 12 player game I played had a godfather & a roleblocker. It was pretty balanced. You don't have to assume anything, is the thing. It's the way you said it. "There ARE three scum" not probably, not most likely. It's that certainty that throws me. I'm a huge fan of psychoanalysis. It's a big part of my scumhunting. So I'm not likely to let that go.

- Because you're scummy. But imopen2 is scummier right now.

Pedit: I don't give a fuck what you think, honestly. Believe what you want about me being overly defensive or not.

If you were "a huge fan of psychoanalysis" you would realize I've played 20 games with 3 scum, so you should assume (through "psychoanalysis") that I assumed there
was 3 scum.... because I've never played with any other number, lol.

So thats a reason to OMGUS vote me? Please provide quotes and reasining as to why I am the second most scummy in your eyes.

Its not what I believe... its a fucking fact. Go read "How to be a good townie" by Seppel, Iso's brother. Townies should never overreact to A SINGLE VOTE.

[Captain Murphy]

You do realize my vote isn't on you, right?

Yes, but it was for a single OMGUS vote post until you changed it. Very scummy.

[Kazekirimaru]

- Not good enough.

- No.

- Don't care.

- Don't care.

[Kazekirimaru]

You "knowing" there are three scum is good enough for me to want you dead more than most right now. Kay? Kay. Now quit flailing at me when my vote isn't even on you.

[Captain Murphy]

- Not good enough.

- No.

- Don't care.

- Don't care.

WOW, THIS LOOKS LIKE A REALLY GOOD AGGRESSIVE PLAYER WHO LIKE TO SCUM HUNT

WAIT

NO

HE DOESN'T CAAAAAAAREEEEE

[Captain Murphy]

You "knowing" there are three scum is good enough for me to want you dead more than most right now. Kay? Kay. Now quit flailing at me when my vote isn't even on you.

I'm pressing you until you crack

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't care what you think of me. I don't care what a "model townie" is to you. I play how I fucking want, I scumhunt how I fucking want, and I get results more often than not. Me not caring about your views has nothing to do with my scumhunting. So shut up and sit the fuck down.

[Kazekirimaru]

You "knowing" there are three scum is good enough for me to want you dead more than most right now. Kay? Kay. Now quit flailing at me when my vote isn't even on you.

I'm pressing you until you crack

Hey I hear your plans work twice as well when you state your intentions in the open.

[Captain Murphy]

Its working

[Captain Murphy]

And you seem to care a lot about what I think

[imopen2]

- Last 12 player game I played had a godfather & a roleblocker. It was pretty balanced. You don't have to assume anything, is the thing. It's the way you said it. "There ARE three scum" not probably, not most likely. It's that certainty that throws me. I'm a huge fan of psychoanalysis. It's a big part of my scumhunting. So I'm not likely to let that go.

- Because you're scummy. But imopen2 is scummier right now.

Pedit: I don't give a fuck what you think, honestly. Believe what you want about me being overly defensive or not.

Nitpicking =/= "psychoanalysis"

[Kazekirimaru]

Actually it kinda does, imopen2.

[Kazekirimaru]

I need to hear from more than my scumreads, dammit.

[( G_R )]

Should LMD be prodded? TubeHunter? Post some peoples!

[Kazekirimaru]

Them and Suga, too. And rezombad tapered off. And YOU! Gaea's Regent. You've been posting very little content. What are your reads thusfar?

[TubeHunter]

Alright, lets get down to it.

At the beginning of the game, Rednihilist caught my eye with a very blatent OMGUS vote on Kaze, and then mysteriously just retook his vote.

Red, you have anything to say about Kaze other than you misunderstood his vote on you witch you then took off when kaze unvoted you?

Witchunt's claim looks solid enough, flavor checks out and everygthing, so I'll say he's town currently in my eyes.

Kaze is the most curious, as he has been very aggresive in his posting, with him also posting an OMGUS-type vote on Captian Murphy.

Kaze, do you have any other reasons why you think captain murphy is acting scummy? Or is it only the "3 Scum" thing that bothers you?

[RedNihilist]

Alright, lets get down to it.

At the beginning of the game, Rednihilist caught my eye with a very blatent OMGUS vote on Kaze, and then mysteriously just retook his vote.

Red, you have anything to say about Kaze other than you misunderstood his vote on you witch you then took off when kaze unvoted you?

Well, there's nothing *that* mysterious about that.
The game started, everybody started random voting because random voting is cool, I tried to be funny random-voting somebody that wasn't even playing, and he assaulted me for that.
I still think that wasn't very nice from him, but in the beginning I thought he was scummy, then after seeing him play for a while I don't think I'll *ever* be able to take his
aggressions seriously, as he just seems to act like that towards everyone.
I don't like his behaviour but that doesn't mean he deserves to be hanged for that.

[Kazekirimaru]

WitchHunt. You're lurking. I see/have seen you lurking.

Tell me your reads, ask questions, anything.

Active lurking is bad. You're going to need to do more than drop in once a day and make a topical observation.

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze, do you have any other reasons why you think captain murphy is acting scummy? Or is it only the "3 Scum" thing that bothers you?

Nope. Yep.

And gut feelings.

[Col. Khaddafi]

I agree with the Captain, I'd be very surprised if the number of scum in this setup is any different from 3. Maybe a neutral too since this is a game without vanillas.

For the rest, I have a dislike for day one's and this is no different. We are always grasping at straws and I still haven't caught anything horrybly scummy.

At this point I'm going to

Unvote

so that people don't get coonfused by the NoLynch thingy (although the end results is the same for me )

[Yannaria]

I'm not sure I like the reasoning for the Imopen wagaon. Kaze is a bit vicious with his attack and the rest of you are choo chooing this mofucka. At this point, I know I'm not comfortable placing my vote on Imopen.

At this point I'm going to vote yanni because he jumps in with one post and jumps on a wagon with no other reasoning. I fail to see how that looks like town motivation at all.

yeah, no reasoning at all

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[WitchHunt]

WitchHunt. You're lurking. I see/have seen you lurking.

Tell me your reads, ask questions, anything.

Active lurking is bad. You're going to need to do more than drop in once a day and make a topical observation.

I can't get any real reads off of Yanni's play style, no offense man. I'd like to hear his thoughts on the current state if anything so I have something to work with other than his one liners.

I'm having mixed feelings about imopen2. I'm still trying to get him pegged, him jumping to Kaze for not explaining a vote seems like an... odd thing to target him for over his behavior, in my opinion.

The whole trash talking match between Kaze and CM has got me raising my eyebrow, probably not in the good way. My
initial tell off Kaze is he wasn't scum regardless of the aggression, still leaning that way more than against it. CM meanwhile hasn't really done much to garner my suspicions as of yet.

I'm reading through Zombad's and imopen's interactions to see where he became positive imopen was scum, I'm getting faint tells but I'd like to hear his reasoning.

I want to hear more from McDonalds than, "Yeah, vote Kaze, that's a good start."

DroppinSuga, I don't like how when everyone was on Red's or my cases, he didn't say a thing. However, it wasn't the same case with imopen being targeted by Kaze, even though Kaze basically brought upon the previous two wagons as well. I'm seeing a faint connection because of that. Granted our cases may have not been as back and forth, but that's what I'm seeing so far with him.

I'd like to hear more from Colonel.

Red, I'll keep my eye on.

GR, I'm feeling reasonably secure with him, at least he hasn't done anything in particular that's
caught my attention. Same goes for Tubehunter so far.

[Col. Khaddafi]

Here's more from me:

Day one, everyone is grasping at straws like every single day one in Mafia.

[Yannaria]

imopen is scum, scumbag probably is too

[( G_R )]

Them and Suga, too. And rezombad tapered off. And YOU! Gaea's Regent. You've been posting very little content. What are your reads thusfar?

That's why GR asked for people to post more, because GR hasn't any reads on those and that is no good.

GR think that one or two scum joined the WitchHunt wagon and now that both Kaze and imopen2 are the main wagons none of them have picked up as much steam.

Personally, Kaze's style of play has been a null tell for GR and the same can be said about Yannaria and Murphy. So far GR comfortable with imopen2 lynch but still keeping an eye out for other scumtells.

[Kazekirimaru]

WitchHunt, TubeHunter, tell me why your vote is still on RedNihilist, please.

[WitchHunt]

I haven't decided on another vote just yet, I'll at least unvote in the mean time.

Unvote: RedNihilist

[rezombad]

Are you going to answer my question; What did Scumbag's explanation tell you? What bearing did it have on your vote for Witchhunt?

reiteration, scum.

Scumbag's explanation told me he should have just unvoted but voted no lynch instead because he was "in a hurry." this doesn't make sense but it's not worth a vote. witchhunt got my vote after i read his posts and felt that he had
played mafia before (apparently i was wrong) based on his discussion of RVS etc without first asking what that was (like most other new players i've played with so far), but still made a false dichotomy in one of his posts and was defensive in another. i believe his claim tho and will not be lynching him today.

Okay, so scumbag's explanation told you exactly what he said. That's some great analytical thinking there. Also, I didn't ask for an explanation of your vote on Witchhunt.

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@imopen2: So now that scumbag has explained his nolynch vote, what is your thought process? Are you going to sheep CM and vote Kaze?

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This is a weak case.

Vote witchhunter

Witchhunt claims town

imopen2 vote's kaze

that's a little more credible than the guy who was the THIRD vote on a wagon

WIFOM

Instead of waiting for CM to 'nath' you, why didnt you explain your vote for Kaze when you placed it?

Sometimes less is more. I wanted to see Kaze's reaction before i gave him my reasoning. He has retaliated with a vote on me. His reasoning is crap
and the hypocrisy is humorous. He even quotes his own opportunistic wagon jump while calling my vote on him obvious opportunism.

Am I the only one who sees this?

I know you're scum, and I'm not sure about Kaze. Why would you try so hard to bus your scumbuddy on day1 when you're obviously going to be the lynch?

nice false dichotomy there.

It is a nice false dicotomy. Because you are both. (Thanks G_R)

I'm not sure I like the reasoning for the Imopen wagaon. Kaze is a bit vicious with his attack and the rest of you are choo chooing this mofucka. At this
point, I know I'm not comfortable placing my vote on Imopen.

At this point I'm going to vote yanni because he jumps in with one post and jumps on a wagon with no other reasoning. I fail to see how that looks like town motivation at all.

Imopen was my first real vote, I've been trying to get you guys to lynch this scum for the entire game.

Them and Suga, too. And rezombad tapered off. And YOU! Gaea's Regent. You've been posting very little content. What are your reads thusfar?

Ah Kaze, It's good to know that I can get a prod from you after not posting for 12 hours.