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Primarily because I don't like his explanation. He said he made the comment because he thought your post was a jerky thing to do. You can say that about anything when you don't want to come up with a real reason, and the post itself felt like scum being defensive or thinking the tactic was unfair.Why does it lean that way to you?
sounds good to me.I think I want Stardust to post once more and I will be ready for us to end the Day.
You'll find that doesn't actually answer my question. Try again.
Well, technically speaking your question was "Care to guess why?", and I just don't think I'm going to just throw *guess* what you see as wrong in my post.
I'm more than open to discuss every sentence of said post, but I'd like you to crearly state what sounded so wrong in it, in your opinion.
I'd like to point out that I've got nothing to hide and I don't really think I've said anything wrong, I've just asked you to help me help you with all the explaining, so please refrain from being so cold towards my poor self.
But I guess that you might just be trying to put some pressure on myself rather than trying to actually discussing the point with me.[/
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I'm disappointed you're not giving me a straight answer. I'll consider that a point against you.
One of my problems with the post in question is that it's a total fence-sit on Suga. It gives you the chance to either put your vote on him or back off completely. That gives scum an excuse to throw their vote around. While it's good to doubt your reads sometimes, it's also scummy to have no conviction whatsoever in them. Understand? Additionally:
"We do want our fellow townies to be dedicated people, don't we?"
The line "our fellow townies...don't we?" really stands out because it's like you're making it a point to say, "Guys, look, I'm including me as part of the town!" It doesn't strike me as natural phrasing and it's something I personally did in my first scum game ("we, the townies").
Why the defensive reaction?
I went of the defensive because, well, getting called out on something you don't really
understand is really not the best situation.
I felt like that asking me to guess what might have been dislikable in my post was a bit unfair, and I ended up asking myself if your call was actually motivated or if you were just try to put pressure on me.
Now:
a) I'm pretty sure that Suga is scum for the way he assaulted CheckBox with his voting; his late defense consisted of random one-liners saying "also, X il probably mafia" without any motivation, that sounds like attempts to just divert the attention on someone else;
b) the "our fellow townies" was, in fact intended to be quite a neutral remark, as one could have "fellow townies" while being a townie, scum, a cop, an alien or whatever... I see the point you're making, though.
In my experience, the only people who complain about whether or not a question is fair are mafia.I caught myself starting to
do it in a post once when I was scum after declaring that to be a scum identifier and then stopped myself before I posted. I'll be coming after you on Day 2.
Well, I have no experience whatsoever, so that's an easy win for you
could you maybe point out the things that you think are informative in the way your wagon occurred? why are you making us figure it out on our own once you are dead?I admit, my RL state of mind has effected my game play here immensely and at this point, my grave is dug, but I implore all of my fellow town to study this wagon closely because it's going to be a great source of information for your day 2 scumhunting. I also beg of you to look into Iso since I'd say he's scum and he's using his experience as a way to look town. So please, if there's a cop, look into Iso tonight.
I believe Iso is the experienced player on the scum team and I wouldn't be surprised if Tube or Nihilist are also scum. I know that my erratic behavior in the beginning of the game gave Iso the perfect opportunity to grab a townie by the balls and use his experience and walls of text to get a sheeping by the noobs and an easy day one lynch of a townie. I don't even think Checkbox is scum at this point, he just annoys me in general so it seemed like a decent vote. I'd still like to see someone else vote him so he's forced to claim, but at this point, I know my wagon is set and either a scummer or an easily influenced noob will hammer me soon.
Please walk me through which posts of mine indicate a scum mindset with scum motives (that don't consist of "trying to get [Suga] lynched"). Please indicate to me how you can sit there with a straight face, and say, "I /barn Iso's T/S list since I don't feel like providing my own, oh, but Stardust (Iso's #2 townI admit, my RL state of mind has effected my game play here immensely and at this point, my grave is dug, but I implore all of my fellow town to study this wagon closely because it's going to be a great source of information for your day 2 scumhunting. I also beg of you to look into Iso since I'd say he's scum and he's using his experience as a way to look town. So please, if there's a cop, look into Iso tonight.
First:I believe Iso is the experienced player on the scum team and I wouldn't be surprised if Tube or Nihilist are also scum. I know that my erratic behavior in the beginning of the game gave Iso the perfect opportunity to grab a townie by the balls and use his experience and walls of text to get a sheeping by the noobs and an easy day one lynch of a townie. I don't even think Checkbox is scum at this point, he just annoys me in general so it seemed like a decent vote. I'd still like to see someone else vote him so he's forced to claim, but at this point, I know my wagon is
set and either a scummer or an easily influenced noob will hammer me soon.
So, you are suggesting that the scum have Daytalk? That's a pretty far reach. What indicates this might be a possibility to you, aside from your conspiracy theory that I'm sending noobs after you? Also, this theory goes straight down the hole once you consider that they voted you before I even started putting serious pressure on you.It's based off my theory that Iso is scum. He would put one of his scum noobs on my wagon in the beginning since it makes it easier to defend since it can be seen as a noob jumping on the wagon for the sake of it (or sheeping). So if you use that theory, that would put either you (Tube) or RedNihilist as the noob Iso is using.
If you can't tell, I play
this game a lot different than the other experienced players in the game. I use a lot more feeling and I also don't always like to explain my reasoning due to giving away too much info to the scum. I'm a noob on this site and I'm seeing that my playstyle is getting me in hot water, so maybe it's time I switch it up a bit.
What I said was I made the comment because I was unsure as to why he was doing what he was doing; it took me reading Stardust's explanation many times to actually understand what went down. Initially, I was confused, and it wasn't sitting rightPrimarily because I don't like his explanation. He said he made the comment because he thought your post was a jerky thing to do. You can say that about anything when you don't want to come up with a real reason, and the post itself felt like scum being defensive or thinking the tactic was unfair.Why does it lean that way to you?
As I indicated in my list, I suspect Suga to be scum more than anyone else, and I find it likely enough that lynching him is a good idea. I intend to vote for Suga once everyone is content to let the day end. That said, I don't feel like this is close to a perfect read. Maybe that's my inexperience speaking, but I wouldn't at all be incredulous if Suga flipped town.Do you honestly think townSuga is probable at this point?He could be Suga's scumbuddy.Why do you still want Checkbox to claim?
Shouldn't we wait to see if Suga is actually scum first? What do we stand to gain from forcing Checkbox to claim before Suga's role is flipped?
I don't really see the purpose of faith when we will know for sure what role Suga has at the end of the day. It seems like decisions that could potentially aid mafia, like forcing Checkbox to claim, are better left off until we have more information. To use a magic analogy, you want to use your instant at end of the opponent's turn because you have more information about the game. That is, unless there is something to gain from playing it earlier, like the threat of the opponent untapping and being able to counter your instant. So I'll ask you again: is there a way the townYou must not have very much faith in your Suga read, then.
Could narrow down choices for a potential Tracker/Jailkeeper/Cop.I don't really see the purpose of faith when we will know for sure what role Suga has at the end of the day. It seems like decisions that could potentially aid mafia, like forcing Checkbox to claim, are better left off until we have more information. To use a magic analogy, you want to use your instant at end of the opponent's turn because you have more information about the game. That is, unless there is somethingYou must not have very much faith in your Suga read, then.
to gain from playing it earlier, like the threat of the opponent untapping and being able to counter your instant. So I'll ask you again: is there a way the town would benefit from making Checkbox roleclaim before Suga is lynched?
You mean just like you answered all of my questions, right?I hope there's a twilight, just so I can tell all you dumb fucks I told you so.
1) Nice avatar. 8-bit theatre is pretty funny.So, I live in Italy and it's 2.15 AM here.
My day has been quite full as I work a full time job, then spend my evening playing FNM at two different stores - I sincerely couldn't post much more than what I did.
With that said, I'd also like to point out the fact that english is not my native language and I often end up reading the posts 2 or 3 times in order to be sure to get everything right, so please be patient with this poor newb.
Tomorrow I'll even put up an avatar in order to let you guys recognize my posts better
Now, speaking about Suga... I know he's been having a hard time and he's probably nervous and shit, yet the way he suddenly
stood up and tried to get Checkbox dead quickly is suspicious - on the other hand, he's keeping on sayin' that he doesn't care about the game or anything, so maybe we're even doing him a favour by lynching him.
We do want our fellow townies to be dedicated people, don't we?
rcwraspy feels too apologetic here. Town tend to do the best they can regardless of how much they suck. Scum tend to have a guilty conscience andI'm sorry for the lack of content, but I don't know how to read into things the way you guys do quite yet and I've been on airplanes today.
I'm not sure how to respond to this, but basically, if you think my entire case on Suga is wrapped up in one contradiction, you're wrong. You know you're wrong since you said yourself that you liked the rest of my posts on the matter. So why bring it up? I'll have to revisit this once we see Suga's flip, I think. Feels like a chainsaw*.I simply meant that I didn't understand the distinction*Rolls up a newspaper and baps you on the nose.*That said, I didn't like Stardust's post where he quoted 2 of Suga's posts and bolded parts (bottom of page 2). That seemed like splitting hairs. I've liked his other posts re: Suga, but that one struck me as odd.
I hope that's not you telling me that you suspect Stardust as Suga's scumbuddy. Can you clarify?
he was trying to make. We're dissecting Suga's posts and at least most of us are leaning scum on Suga, but pointing to those 2 posts and calling them contradictory didn't seem like a strong indictment. Could it be busing? I suppose maybe, if I understand the concept, but I think you (Iso) and Stardust have both put yourselves in the "likely town" camp so far - at least through Day 1.
Post 140:Go back and quote a couple of your own posts. Tell me what information you were hoping to get and how that would have helped you determine someone's alignment. Because the questions I saw looked entirely self-serving.
Post 142:Why do you still want Checkbox to claim?
You said yourself somewhere later on that, because we all decided that Suga was the lynch today, the town had nothing to gain and lots to lose from my claiming. Hence, I was trying to figure out why Iso still wanted my claim at that point at no apparent gain to the town. I was already suspicious of his earlier actions (and am still notI'm still nowhere close to claiming, as no one has given me any real reasoning as to why I should.
Suga voted me because RVS lol.
nYou (Iso) voted me because you thought I was attacking you with my second post, and it "rubbed you the wrong way". I've since explained what that second post was doing (aka an honest question because I didn't understand the implications of what you were doing, and it seemed against the spirit of the game), and you haven't pushed any harder on that since.
Imopen2 voted me either because you and him are scumbuddies together both trying to push my wagon over the cliff, or I rubbed him the wrong way as well. I have asked him to explain himself, and he hasn't answered yet.
So, to echo Stardust, why exactly do you want me to claim? :iism:
Here, I am trying to make sense of what exactly was so scummy about my asking the question in the beginning (trying to figure out of its just inexperience or there is actually some logic that I'm missing). Depending on the answer, it could give reads as to imopen2's true intentions, since he is so closely tied to Iso's early actions.So, Iso has explained his vote on me (yet he still keeps it there, despite the explanation). imopen2, what exactly did you find so scummy about asking a question in my second post? Did you not like my explanation of it? Why?
My only vote was THE first post in the game, and it was obviously RVS. Why does that bother you so much?[/quote:To be honest, I'm not sure. I have a hard time with games that aren't based off something where you can start to figure out alignments based on character. So to be honest, I feel like a noob in this game myself.How will a claim give you any confirmation unless he is a PR?
What did you think of my first vote? It was essentially naked.
Checky's vote just bothered me since it was one of the first posts in the game and from a noob it seemed rather aggressive.
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Here I am trying to figure out why Suga voted me (and we all know where this led to - information about his alignment!)
Here we basically have the same story as above; I had to try a few times to get answers out of people.What about it rubbed you the wrong way?Also, the "meta information" question rubbed me the wrong way, Checkbox. Now I'm going back and explaining why I want to vote Suga.
Does that answer your inquiry, Stardust?
I'd like to address these things.rcwraspy feels too apologetic here. Town tend to do the best they can regardless of how much they suck. Scum tend to have a guilty conscience and apologize to compensate for their "bad" reads or lack of content.I'm sorry for the lack of content, but I don't know how to read into things the way you guys do quite yet and I've been on airplanes today.
I'm not sure how to respond to this, but basically, if you think my entire case on Suga is wrapped up in one contradiction, you're wrong. You know you're wrong since you said yourself that you liked the rest of my posts on the matter. So why bring it up? I'll have to revisit this once we see Suga's flip, I think. Feels like a chainsaw*.I simply meant that I didn't understand the distinction he was trying to make. We're dissecting Suga's posts and at least most of us are leaning scum on Suga, but pointing to those 2 posts and calling them contradictory didn't seem like a strong indictment. Could it be busing? I suppose maybe, if I understand the concept, but I think you (Iso) and Stardust*Rolls up a newspaper and baps you on the nose.*That said, I didn't like Stardust's post where he quoted 2 of Suga's posts and bolded parts (bottom of page 2). That seemed like splitting hairs. I've liked his other posts re: Suga, but that one struck me as odd.
I hope that's not you telling me that you suspect Stardust as Suga's scumbuddy. Can you clarify?
have both put yourselves in the "likely town" camp so far - at least through Day 1.
*Chainsaw defense is the act of cutting someone down to make their target look better. In this case, rcwraspy may be throwing suspicion at me in order to make my case on his scum buddy (Suga) look worse.
I'll answer your question Day 2 since my iPod ate it and I don't feel like re-typing it.
