Dies to Removal

So....realistically speaking, the top decks I should expect to be facing at States are G/B Desecration Demon decks, U/W Control, G/W Aggro, Mono Red, and possibly W/B Baron/Obzedat decks.

So....realistically speaking, the top decks I should expect to be facing at States are G/B Desecration Demon decks, U/W Control, G/W Aggro, Mono Red, and possibly W/B Baron/Obzedat decks.

G/W seems to just attack on one obvious angle - I think it should get hated out pretty easily.

I'm not sold on the new B/G midrange lists yet. Losing Mutilate and Thragtusk were huge. Gaze of Granite definitely comes in, but it's much less impactful. We're playing Caryatid to help the mana, but still. I like Reaper of the Wilds taking Thragtusk's place in the deck as the hard to deal with board
presence, but the deck hurts itself a lot. And again, I think the removal is just too slow.

So....realistically speaking, the top decks I should expect to be facing at States are G/B Desecration Demon decks, U/W Control, G/W Aggro, Mono Red, and possibly W/B Baron/Obzedat decks.

G/W seems to just attack on one obvious angle - I think it should get hated out pretty easily.

I'm not sold on the new B/G midrange lists yet. Losing Mutilate and Thragtusk were huge. Gaze of Granite definitely comes in, but it's much
less impactful. We're playing Caryatid to help the mana, but still. I like Reaper of the Wilds taking Thragtusk's place in the deck as the hard to deal with board presence, but the deck hurts itself a lot. And again, I think the removal is just too slow.

Yeah, the deck is not good without a board wipe.

So....realistically speaking, the top decks I should expect to be facing at States are G/B Desecration Demon decks, U/W Control, G/W Aggro, Mono Red, and possibly W/B Baron/Obzedat decks.

G/W seems to just attack on one obvious angle - I think it should get hated out
pretty easily.

I'm not sold on the new B/G midrange lists yet. Losing Mutilate and Thragtusk were huge. Gaze of Granite definitely comes in, but it's much less impactful. We're playing Caryatid to help the mana, but still. I like Reaper of the Wilds taking Thragtusk's place in the deck as the hard to deal with board presence, but the deck hurts itself a lot. And again, I think the removal is just too slow.

Yeah, the deck is not good without a board wipe.

What do you guys think about Primeval Bounty? My brother played a single copy in his G/B deck at FNM and just dominated whenever he landed it.

Also, judge question: playing a god, such as Erebos, with Bounty out, does it trigger for both creature AND non-creature? I know the god is creature dominant, but it IS an enchantent too.

So....realistically speaking, the top decks I should expect to be facing at States are G/B Desecration Demon decks, U/W Control, G/W Aggro, Mono Red, and possibly W/B Baron/Obzedat decks.

G/W seems to just attack on one obvious angle - I think it should get hated out
pretty easily.

I'm not sold on the new B/G midrange lists yet. Losing Mutilate and Thragtusk were huge. Gaze of Granite definitely comes in, but it's much less impactful. We're playing Caryatid to help the mana, but still. I like Reaper of the Wilds taking Thragtusk's place in the deck as the hard to deal with board presence, but the deck hurts itself a lot. And again, I think the removal is just too slow.

Yeah, the deck is not good without a board wipe.

What do you guys think about Primeval Bounty? My brother played a single copy in his G/B deck at FNM and just dominated whenever he landed it.

Also, judge question: playing a god, such as Erebos, with Bounty out, does it trigger for both creature AND non-creature? I know the god is creature dominant, but it IS an enchantent too.

So....realistically speaking, the top decks I should expect to be facing at States are G/B Desecration Demon decks, U/W
Control, G/W Aggro, Mono Red, and possibly W/B Baron/Obzedat decks.

G/W seems to just attack on one obvious angle - I think it should get hated out pretty easily.

I'm not sold on the new B/G midrange lists yet. Losing Mutilate and Thragtusk were huge. Gaze of Granite definitely comes in, but it's much less impactful. We're playing Caryatid to help the mana, but still. I like Reaper of the Wilds taking Thragtusk's place in the deck as the hard to deal with board presence, but the deck hurts itself a lot. And again, I think the removal is just too slow.

Yeah, the deck is not good without a board wipe.

What do you guys think about Primeval Bounty? My brother played a single copy in his G/B deck at FNM and just dominated whenever he landed it.

Also, judge question: playing a god, such as Erebos, with Bounty out, does it trigger for both creature AND non-creature? I know the god is creature dominant, but it IS an
enchantent too.

Yes, a creature enchantment (or creature artifact or creature land, etc.) will trigger the Bounty twice. You can stack the effects however you like, but you can only target a creature that's already in play for the +1/+1 counters. You couldn't make a 3/3 Beast and then put 3 +1/+1 counters on it with an otherwise empty board.

Crap, you're right about that one raspy. Time to edit the post above.

This brings up an interesting rules wrinkle. The Gods state that they aren't creatures when your devotion is < some amount. The card specifically says Creature in the card type, so I wonder if it counts as a creature on the stack and becomes "not a creature" upon entering the battlefield. But the devotion clause is a state-based effect (like Tarmogoyf's P/T) so it applies whether it's in your hand or in the graveyard.

This is some sort of strange Schroedinger's Cat thing where you have non-creature creatures. This has interesting applications for creature-based counters like Essence Scatter.

I'm really liking Turtenwald's deck.

I saw my wife today and the person he left me for at the mall today while I was working.

Bleh.

I saw my wife today and the person he left me for at the mall today while I was working.

Bleh.

Did you walk up to them, nod at her, and then reach down, rip out his junk, and hold it triumphant and bloody into the air while shouting a blood-curding battle cry?

Geez, Hammer doing some fucking work.

It's OK Khaos, I can send you a nude selfie so you can finish jerking it.

Geez, Hammer doing some fucking work.

Hammer's definitely doing work, but he's pretty much dead to Elspeth. Maybe a bastardization of Turtenwald's deck and Nuwen's, for access to Dreadbore?

Elspeth, Jace and Aetherling being cards to beat? Pithing Needle seems to get better and better.

I don't get the arguement against GW that the mana is bad...it seems fine to me. Not sure what they run but I'd assume its like 8 Forest, 8 Plains, 4 Temple Garden, 4 Tap land. Most of the creatures cost GW and not many double costs.

Geez, Hammer doing some fucking work.

Hammer's definitely doing work, but he's pretty much dead to Elspeth. Maybe a bastardization of Turtenwald's deck and Nuwen's, for access to Dreadbore?

Well, the plan is to go just for the kill before they can even cast one. The deck is very capable of turn 4 wins, something the decks I was testing couldn't really do that well.

Geez, Hammer doing some fucking work.

Hammer's definitely doing work, but he's pretty much dead to Elspeth. Maybe a bastardization of Turtenwald's deck and Nuwen's, for access to Dreadbore?

Well, the plan is to go just for the kill
before they can even cast one. The deck is very capable of turn 4 wins, something the decks I was testing couldn't really do that well.

What do you think about Chandra somewhere in the 75? Would provide an additional falter effect for the embarrassingly effective Yoked Ox and some much needed CA against a control deck. Nice synergy with Hammer too.

And we all know that there is not a single member of FoS who enjoys a flaccid penis.

Cycle: Gods

The gods of Theros are ethereal beings who live among the stars. If mortals’ belief in them is strong enough, they can manifest themselves and wage war beside them.

Nylea, God of the Hunt
{3}{G}
Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
6/6
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to green is less than five, Nylea isn’t a creature. (Each {G} in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to green.)
Other creatures you control have trample.
{3}{G}: Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.

* The type-changing ability that can make the God not be a creature functions only on the battlefield. It’s always a creature card in other zones, regardless of your devotion to its color.

* If a God enters the battlefield, your devotion to its color (including the mana symbols in the mana cost of the God itself) will determine if a creature entered the battlefield or not,
for abilities that trigger whenever a creature enters the battlefield.

* If a God stops being a creature, it loses the type creature and all creature subtypes. It continues to be a legendary enchantment.

* The abilities of Gods function as long as they’re on the battlefield, regardless of whether they’re creatures.

* If a God is attacking or blocking and it stops being a creature, it will be removed from combat.

* If a God is dealt damage, then stops being a creature, then becomes a creature again later in the same turn, the damage will still be marked on it. This is also true for any effects that were affecting the God when it was originally a creature. (Note that in most cases, the damage marked on the God won’t matter because it has indestructible.)