Dies to Removal

Cool. I've submitted appropriate plans.

Lord McD, there's a decent chance I'm going to be killed once Imopen flips, so I think one of the best uses of my abilities would be to chrono-boost you. I've submitted two versions of the ability, one that allows you use it at the time of your choosing, and one that reduces it for tomorrow.

Also, oi, the plan was to chrono boost one of my vig shots, you have to chrono boost me so I can shoot you to repay your kindness, the hell you are doing?

I'm confused, do we have a vig shot, can someone point me to a post confirming that?

CK's claimed he can kill someone by tonight.

nope, I need a boost before I can do this.

Cool. I've submitted appropriate plans.

Lord McD, there's a decent chance I'm going to be killed once Imopen flips, so I think one of the best uses of my abilities would be to chrono-boost you. I've submitted two versions of the ability, one that allows you use it at the time of your choosing, and one that reduces it for tomorrow.

Also, oi, the plan was to chrono boost one of my vig shots, you have to chrono boost me so I can shoot you to repay your kindness, the hell you are doing?

Oh, ok. I thought you had something you were able to get online by tonight on your own, I'll proceed to boost you.

Per Stardust though, it will only be available by day tomorrow. Is that still ok with you?

Well, if that's the best we can do, I'd rather have preferred a night vigilante kill

Oh, okay

Dk and LMD, you're throwing this game.

Scumbag, I WILL SAY THIS ONE LAST TIME. Kill az and I will gladly take whatever you guys want to do to me. I am not afraid whatsoever since I know az is scum and therefore no one is going to kill me after he flips. WHAT I AM AFRAID OF is that I am lynched first and then the scum win.

BTW, all this "stardust said this, stardust said that" is bullshit. How convenient that az forgot the plan and now the vig wouldn't be ready till tomorrow (when he'll already have won).

Lynch me now so you can all learn a valuable lesson and I can stop wasting my time

Well, if that's the best we can do, I'd rather have preferred a night vigilante kill

Likewise, but that's the one thing he says chrono boosting won't be capable of accomplishing, unless it were my bot version, which got kicked back for taking two days.

Dk and LMD, you're throwing this game.

Scumbag, I WILL SAY THIS ONE LAST TIME. Kill az and I will gladly take whatever you guys want to do to me. I am not afraid whatsoever since I know az is scum and therefore no one is going to kill me after he flips.

Didn't you say you're 99% certain I'm scum?

LMD, are your plans ready?

Dk and LMD, you're throwing this game.

Scumbag, I WILL SAY THIS ONE LAST TIME. Kill az and I will gladly take whatever you guys want to do to me. I am not afraid whatsoever since I know az is scum and therefore no one is going to kill me after he flips.

Didn't you say you're 99% certain I'm scum?

Yes, I'm humoring you since 99=/=100

OK here's a plan that works (I consulted with the mod) and that ensures that everyone goes with the plan:

1) myself and two more people vote imopen2. that's three votes. Az doesn't vote imopen2
2) Az speeds up my vig shot so it can be done today
3) I shoot Azrael, and since it becomes 3 to lynch, imopen2 is lynched.

This way we can guarantee that I don't back up from the plan. If I shoot Az, imopen2 gets instalynched. If I don't, none of the two dies.

That should be a reasonable plan all townies can agree with right?

Sounds fine to me.

Sure vote imopen2

Well... maybe not.
If the third vote is Azrael, the vig shot won't domino-kill imopen, so the plan doesn't work.
If the third vote on imopen is someone else's, he just hammers and win.

Your plan doesn't work.

LMD think about it.
I'm going to bed.
Let's see if town manages to lose this one as well by just not listening to me lol

PS: if this wasn't clear enough - LMD unvote please.

No real need to, he isn't going to shoot until everyone is on the same page and no one is going to hammer

Az, stick with the plan and speed up my vig shot plz

Judging by his post, I don't think he will shoot before then either

Id like to hear from Dechs and imopen first before that happens

I really hope this is going to work out properly.

The plan is fine except that az is scum (most likely with scumbag) so he will simply hammer me.

It needs to be az, ck, and either LMD or DK. Red should not be one of the votes and neither should the other between LMD and DK.

I REPEAT: If you guys put three votes on me and one of them isn't az, he will simply hammer and the scum probably win.

This is a rather obvious flaw

The one we're currently in, for example.

I'll be more specific. In what universe could you be telling the truth about getting a town-result on Imopen through your claimed ability, and still be town?

How does that happen, pray tell?

Yesterday imopen asked for a list of "I'm town" posts, and I've been pretty inquisitive about how his role would have worked.
You know, the fact that I had a single shot lie detector deployed after two days of work while he had two shots didn't rub me in the right way, so I tried to see if I could have him slip.
I ended up asking him post something like that as well in case there was a mimic around, soft-claiming I could be one and actually expecting to die overnight if he was just scum attempting some stunt because, you know, if a mimic ends up mimicing something different from a lie detector he ends up discovering he wasn't... well... mimicing a lie detector.
I didn't die, and got a positive response on his post, so I'm pretty confident he is town.

Let's say you flip town - a thing I feel is really unlikely: we end up in a situation where somebody has either messed up with townImopen's power in order to have you turn out scum, or somebody has messed up with mine in order to cover scumImopen's gambit, probably imopen himself.

These are actually quite simple scenarios and one doesn't really need to be the Rising New Star of Mafia in order to figure that much out, yet you jumped straight at the conclusion that there MUST be a two scum team alive and that they're plotting against you exposing themselves rather than just shooting you down at night, and that's EXTREMELY convenient to you, because trying to pass this as the only possible explanation lets you say that a mislynch means loss for the town.

My only concern now is discovering whether you're the last remaining scum, or if you've got a partner (MoJo-Khaddafi).

Warning: extreme WIFOM inside:

Because it's a stupid gambit if he's the only scum left. We lynch Az, find out he's lying, then lynch him. The only way him lying makes sense is if there are two scum to end the game.

... or we find out that Az was in fact town, and imopen goes with "Somebody's interfered with my power! I explicitly stated I would have used it! We're getting outplayed!" and we end up actually not knowing if he's the desperate scum that's trying to grind his way out or if somebody has really just messed up with his power.
The scenario is not as stupid as you're hoping, imho.

If both Imopen and I flip town under this scenario, I think the town still goes ahead and kills you with its final lynch, and wins.

I'm absolutely positive that you and imopen can't be both town, so that's not a problem imho.

Oh, and btw Vote Azrael.

Goodnight, it's 2.47 here and I actually wanted to go sleep a hour ago.

why did my vig shot against you failed on day 1?

You just didn't vig shot anybody, for example.

OK here's a plan that works (I consulted with the mod) and that ensures that everyone goes with the plan:

1) myself and two more people vote imopen2. that's three votes. Az doesn't vote imopen2
2) Az speeds up my vig shot so it can be done today
3) I shoot Azrael, and since it becomes 3 to lynch, imopen2 is lynched.

This way we can guarantee that I don't back up from the plan. If I shoot Az, imopen2 gets instalynched. If I don't, none of the two dies.

That should be a reasonable plan all townies can agree with right?

I agree to this.

OK here's a plan that works (I consulted with the mod) and that ensures that everyone goes with the plan:

1) myself and two more people vote imopen2. that's three votes. Az doesn't vote imopen2
2) Az speeds up my vig shot so it can be done today
3) I shoot Azrael, and since it becomes 3 to lynch, imopen2 is lynched.

This way we can guarantee that I don't back up from the plan. If I shoot Az, imopen2 gets instalynched. If I don't, none of the two dies.

That should be a reasonable plan all townies can agree with right?

I agree to this.

Read my post, and reconsider. We will lose if you allow az to be the hammer (assuming ck even has a vig shot)

First off, I'd like to state for the record that I realize I could instantly lynch Imopen right now.

Second, I don't have a chronoboost available to use today, CK. I would need to build a chronoboost during the night, then use it on you.

LMK if you're still good with the original plan, lynching imopen, then vigging appropriately tomorrow, after he flips.

I look forward to Red and Imopen trying to explain that.

it buys you town cred going into toNight, assuming scum can't just win outright now that you'll probably convince dk and lmd. nice gambit, so scum.

lmd and dk: unvote and vote for az. then ck can vig me and az will die. i don't trust that ck has a vig and i'm rather sure he's scum so i'd rather be the one getting the vig rather than getting hammered by az going into possibly our final night phase.

If CK and I were both scum together, no amount of "town cred" by delaying a hammer would save me in the alternate universe where you actually flipped town.

If I were scum with someone other than CK, then that means CK was telling the truth about his kill attempt on you, which doesn't really compute.

I like that you keep trying to convince people to vig you when we've discussed a thousand times how lynching you is the only safe way to deal with you.

I don't really get thy point, mr. Azrael.
You're not going to both flip town, so I'll never need to explain anything.
You're just telling me that you're either town or alone as scum, easy as that.

az, i know i don't have a protective ability. i am not going to advocate for the incorrect play for the town WHEN I KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT PLAY IS

Ahhh fuck you guys are right, the correct list of people for tying a vote would have had to include at least me and Az.

Regardless, if me and Az were a scum team Az could have hammered imopen2 right now and would have been gg.

And I've said it more than once, I'm not wasting another vig shot with you imopen. Why do you insist on this? vig shot Az, lynch imopen2.

Anyway, unvote