Dies to Removal

God rest ye merry gentlemen,
Let nothing you dismay.
For Tordeck the reindeer
Was killed upon this day.
So let's go down and lynch the bastards
Who did us betray:
Oh lynchings bring comfort and joy, comfort and joy!
Oh lynchings bring comfort and joy...

Tordeck's Role PM It is now Day 2. With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Tentative deadline set for two weeks from the time of this post.

Time to review D1. Glad to know my read of Tordeck was spot on.

Jeez, only 2 pages in, and Red's pinging something fierce!!

I may have a surprise in store for all y'all....

OK so I'm just going to lay it all on the line.

My top pick for Scum today is not one of the two I listed Yesterday (though the second was on my list yesterday.)

I just re-read D1 with the knowledge that Tordeck was Town. I still think Pedrobear is scum, but I'm not convinced NightArcher is. Working under the assumption there's only 2 scum in the game (as more would be incredibly broken), I believe the second scum is RedNihilist.

His play has been pinging me all along, but in re-reading him, the evidence is there.

Firstly, this post:

Rezmochu, when you've got some spare time, can you please link me a game where you didn't just mindlessly call me scum over and over?
Just for the sake of asking.
Because I might be biased, but I recall you being actually right only once while being wrong like a million times.

Not because you're wrong or anything, but you're wrong as usual

This is a LOT of worrying about 1 vote:

Votecount

NightArcher (1): Manders
Tordeck (2): imopen2, RedNihilist
RedNihilist (1): Tordeck
imopen2 (1): PedroBear

Not voting: rezombad, NightArcher

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Tentative deadline in 6 days-ish. Make sure you have at least 7 posts by that time.

This vote count was LITERALLY the post following his above quoted. There's absolutely no reason for Town to give a crap that one person is voting them (much like Tordeck did for most of D1, and he had more than 1), ESPECIALLY if it's someone who's often wrong about your alignment in your experience (as Red states is the case in his own post. He's trying to brush it off as no big deal, just wondering...but he shouldn't care in-game. This is more appropriate conversation for after the game.)


I no longer believe NightArcher is scum, and here's a good example of why:

After rereading the game thus far, I'm going to change my two. Nothing Rednihilist said thus far reads particularly scummy, he was my first choice on a gut suspicion. I'm noticing a fairly aloof pattern from another player though.

1. Imopen2
2. Tordeck

Back to Red, but this post bothered me when I read it the first time:

I don't like the fact that N_A vanished after being posed a direct question.

In reviewing, RedNihilist's post was made at 2:54 PM. I posted my question to NightArcher at 2:39 PM CST. viewtopic.php?p=297047&sid=6cd9b081e268 ... 4c#p297047

NightArcher had last posted at 7:39 PM CST the night before.

Why were you so quick to make the accusation you made? (That he'd disappeared after being posed a direct question.)

Meta isn't involved at all - I know for a fact that your read is wrong, I don't need to read old games to know that.

Not the first time he's called himself Town without actually saying it. (Always "You're wrong.")

Red
Tordeck
Manders
Pedro
Imopen
Nightarcher

I think?

Is/was this your order of scumminess?

Other than this, he's done a whole lot of nothing in this game. He's sat back and watched as it all goes down.

Vote: RedNihilist

And y'all better be active this Day!!

Yeah, I just wanted to get stuff in towards the end of the day since no one else was around.

Firstly, this post:

Rezmochu, when you've got some spare time, can you please link me a game where you didn't just mindlessly call me scum over and over?
Just for the sake of asking.
Because I might be biased, but I recall you being actually right only once while being wrong like a million times.

Not because you're wrong or anything, but you're wrong as usual

This is a LOT of worrying about 1 vote:

Votecount

NightArcher (1): Manders
Tordeck (2): imopen2, RedNihilist
RedNihilist (1): Tordeck
imopen2 (1): PedroBear

Not voting: rezombad, NightArcher

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Tentative deadline in 6 days-ish. Make sure you have at least 7 posts by that time.

This vote count was LITERALLY the post following his above quoted. There's absolutely no reason for Town to give a crap that one person is voting them (much like Tordeck did for most of D1, and he had more than 1), ESPECIALLY if it's someone who's often wrong about your alignment in your experience (as Red states is the case in his own post. He's trying to brush it off as no big deal, just wondering...but he shouldn't care in-game. This is more appropriate conversation for after the game.)

I'm sorry, I thought that getting some discussion flowing could be nice for the game.
I think you're stretching this, though - as you just said, it was just a vote and I had a little chat with him, by your metrics I should have gone mad when everyone started naming me in their top 2 list, but I don't think that's happened.

I no longer believe NightArcher is scum, and here's a good example of why:

After rereading the game thus far, I'm going to change my two. Nothing Rednihilist said thus far reads particularly scummy, he was my first choice on a gut suspicion. I'm noticing a fairly aloof pattern from another player though.

1. Imopen2
2. Tordeck

Explain this to me like I was 5.

Back to Red, but this post bothered me when I read it the first time:

I don't like the fact that N_A vanished after being posed a direct question.

In reviewing, RedNihilist's post was made at 2:54 PM. I posted my question to NightArcher at 2:39 PM CST. viewtopic.php?p=297047&sid=6cd9b081e268 ... 4c#p297047

NightArcher had last posted at 7:39 PM CST the night before.

Why were you so quick to make the accusation you made? (That he'd disappeared after being posed a direct question.)

My post is actually from A FULL DAY AFTER yours.
Once again, you're stretching facts.

Meta isn't involved at all - I know for a fact that your read is wrong, I don't need to read old games to know that.

Not the first time he's called himself Town without actually saying it. (Always "You're wrong.")

Does that bother you?
Here -> "I AM TOWN".
For what you know I could have wanted to avoid declaring myself town while still not being scum (from the first rule: "Neutral is gray.").

Before voting you back I'm willing to listen what you have to say, but this his the worst post from you I have ever read and I'm trying very hard to avoid goin OMGUSUCK all over the place.

After re-reading Tordeck's post on Day 1. What about he submitted something to Stardust which was false and put him on the tracks of NightArcher ?

After re-reading Tordeck's post on Day 1. What about he submitted something to Stardust which was false and put him on the tracks of NightArcher ?

What?
Can you quote something and make your question a little more clear, please?

Back to Red, but this post bothered me when I read it the first time:

I don't like the fact that N_A vanished after being posed a direct question.

In reviewing, RedNihilist's post was made at 2:54 PM. I posted my question to NightArcher at 2:39 PM CST. viewtopic.php?p=297047&sid=6cd9b081e268 ... 4c#p297047

NightArcher had last posted at 7:39 PM CST the night before.

Why were you so quick to make the accusation you made? (That he'd disappeared after being posed a direct question.)

My post is actually from A FULL DAY AFTER yours.

Hahahaha that's hilarious. I didn't notice that.

Once again, you're stretching facts.

Or...see above.

The rest can wait a few hours. I thought this was hilarious.

Yep, very funny.

Firstly, this post:

Rezmochu, when you've got some spare time, can you please link me a game where you didn't just mindlessly call me scum over and over?
Just for the sake of asking.
Because I might be biased, but I recall you being actually right only once while being wrong like a million times.

Not because you're wrong or anything, but you're wrong as usual

This is a LOT of worrying about 1 vote:

Votecount

NightArcher (1): Manders
Tordeck (2): imopen2, RedNihilist
RedNihilist (1): Tordeck
imopen2 (1): PedroBear

Not voting: rezombad, NightArcher

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Tentative deadline in 6 days-ish. Make sure you have at least 7 posts by that time.

This vote count was LITERALLY the post following his above quoted. There's absolutely no reason for Town to give a crap that one person is voting them (much like Tordeck did for most of D1, and he had more than 1), ESPECIALLY if it's someone who's often wrong about your alignment in your experience (as Red states is the case in his own post. He's trying to brush it off as no big deal, just wondering...but he shouldn't care in-game. This is more appropriate conversation for after the game.)

I'm sorry, I thought that getting some discussion flowing could be nice for the game.
I think you're stretching this, though - as you just said, it was just a vote and I had a little chat with him, by your metrics I should have gone mad when everyone started naming me in their top 2 list, but I don't think that's happened.

1) At the time you made your post, we were knee-deep in "Top Two Scum" territory AND imopen had just questioned Tordeck about his scumminess.
2) No, I set no metrics. This is common sense. Townies simply do not give a shit about one vote. Especially when it comes from someone who's always wrong about them. I KNOW this feeling. Go read ANY game I'm in with Cyan in which I am Town. He always thinks I'm scum.

I no longer believe NightArcher is scum, and here's a good example of why:

After rereading the game thus far, I'm going to change my two. Nothing Rednihilist said thus far reads particularly scummy, he was my first choice on a gut suspicion. I'm noticing a fairly aloof pattern from another player though.

1. Imopen2
2. Tordeck

Explain this to me like I was 5.

No, I don't think I will.

Meta isn't involved at all - I know for a fact that your read is wrong, I don't need to read old games to know that.

Not the first time he's called himself Town without actually saying it. (Always "You're wrong.")

Does that bother you?
Here -> "I AM TOWN".
For what you know I could have wanted to avoid declaring myself town while still not being scum (from the first rule: "Neutral is gray.").

Before voting you back I'm willing to listen what you have to say, but this his the worst post from you I have ever read and I'm trying very hard to avoid goin OMGUSUCK all over the place.

I'll save you the trouble.

Challenge RedNihilist

I'd wait for Stardust if I were you...

My post is actually from A FULL DAY AFTER yours.
Once again, you're stretching facts.

This is factually wrong. She posed her question to me at 2:39pm EST. You made your post stating that I had disappeared at 2:54am, merely 12 hours after the question was asked. I had returned to answer the question at 10pm the following night, putting my response at just over a day and 8 hours after the question was asked. You're the one stretching facts in this case.

Other than this, he's done a whole lot of nothing in this game. He's sat back and watched as it all goes down.

Several players did that, not just him (3, by my count. Him, Imopen2 and Pedrobear). While I would say scum would do this, at least one town player of the three did this as well.

After re-reading Tordeck's post on Day 1. What about he submitted something to Stardust which was false and put him on the tracks of NightArcher ?

What?
Can you quote something and make your question a little more clear, please?

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It looks to me like he was saying 'Tordeck went after [me] after submitting something false to the mod with his ability'.

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Imopen2, you were posed a direct question right before the day ended. I want to hear an answer from you. I don't like the seemingly random flip flopping you did right at the end of the day.

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I do agree RedNihilist looks scummy (mainly for his multiple insinuations that he is town, and several out of place comments), but I'm most interested in hearing from Imopen2 and Pedrobear. They have been skating under the radar without posting much at all, and what they have posted are short blurbs or random questions that don't add much to the conversation and give them the appearance or activity without the commitment.

Vote Pedrobear with a tentative vote on Imopen2 as well.

My current scum list for those who care about such things:

Pedrobear
Imopen2
RedNihilist
Manders
Rezombad

Sorry, I missed the four posts above mine because I was writing a longer post and didn't see the happenings, so that was written without those in mind.

We all know things can get a little hectic over the holidays...

Manders has challenged RedNihilist. For the remainder of the Day, only those two players will be votable. Votes for other players will have no effect.

Votecount

RedNihilist (2): Manders, rezombad

Not voting: NightArcher, RedNihilist, PedroBear, imopen2

With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Oh... Oh my.

red was my vote yesterday and tordeck's flip doesn't change that. seems a bit hasty to put him to l-1 tho

manders, you seem pretty sure. can you give me a confidence percentage?

i know i've misjudged red before

Nice trainwreck we have here
You're either scum and we've lost anyway or you're town and I hope you'll feel bad, but I'd rather have you survive because you're more skilled than me at cleaning up this mess.

I'm a 1-shot bulletproof Town but I won't claim the role I've submitted to Stardust because it may still be useful to town.

I'll avoid self voting me in order to give you guys some time to discuss things, but I'm retiring to my salty corner and my game ends here.

PS. I think this is the worst call I've EVER read and I'm very upset to read something like this from you of all people:

QR_BBPOST No, I set no metrics. This is common sense. Townies simply do not give a shit about one vote. Especially when it comes from someone who's always wrong about them. I KNOW this feeling. Go read ANY game I'm in with Cyan in which I am Town. He always thinks I'm scum.

Vote Manders

This shit is why I wanted to vote you in the first place. You don't contribute, and when you do it's fuck all. You don't explain your reasoning, and you ignore the shit going on in the game except to remind people you're here. God, I wish I could vote you right now.

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To be perfectly frank, I think the challenge was a poor choice at this point in the game. But put in the position where I think Red is scum vs Manders is scum, I think Red is. Between pushing the truth, overreactions and strange comments, consider this my tentative vote on RedNihilist.

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Also Imopen2 ignored the accusations levied at him. Don't think I missed that in all of the commotion. I want to revisit that when we get to the next day, when we can actually lynch either him or Pedro.

red was my vote yesterday and tordeck's flip doesn't change that. seems a bit hasty to put him to l-1 tho

manders, you seem pretty sure. can you give me a confidence percentage?

High 80s-low 90s. About as confident as you can get in a Mafia game.

However, this:

Vote Manders

just shot it up to about 95% sure about Red and 99% sure Pedrobear is his scum buddy. Pedro's not even trying. I kind of wish I'd used it on him Today.

To be perfectly frank, I think the challenge was a poor choice at this point in the game. But put in the position where I think Red is scum vs Manders is scum, I think Red is. Between pushing the truth, overreactions and strange comments, consider this my tentative vote on RedNihilist.

And now I'm 100% sure you're Town. Good job.

Also Imopen2 ignored the accusations levied at him. Don't think I missed that in all of the commotion. I want to revisit that when we get to the next day, when we can actually lynch either him or Pedro.

What accusations?

Please store in your head that I think Pedro is Scum over imopen2. Since I'll probably be dead Tonight.

unvote
Pedro is town
Red is town
vote manders

unvote
Pedro is town
Red is town
vote manders

Why are they Town?

Because Pedro is a universal backup

Because Pedro is a universal backup

I don't know what this means.

Nor do I see how that makes him Town. You know as well as I do that any role can be Town or Scum in this game.

However, even if he IS Town, how does that make Red Town?

You're being incredibly vague in this game. Stop it.

Either contribute or stay out of the thread, Pedrobear.

Because Pedro is a universal backup

I don't know what this means.

Nor do I see how that makes him Town. You know as well as I do that any role can be Town or Scum in this game.

However, even if he IS Town, how does that make Red Town?

You're being incredibly vague in this game. Stop it.

Pedro is Rudolph the Red-Nosed Lie Detector. I guarantee Pedro submitted the text where red says 'I am town' and got a truth result which is why he can only vote now.

Because Pedro is a universal backup

I don't know what this means.

Nor do I see how that makes him Town. You know as well as I do that any role can be Town or Scum in this game.

However, even if he IS Town, how does that make Red Town?

You're being incredibly vague in this game. Stop it.

Pedro is Rudolph the Red-Nosed Lie Detector. I guarantee Pedro submitted the text where red says 'I am town' and got a truth result which is why he can only vote now.

Pedro, if this is the case, vote for Tordeck. If not, vote for me again.