Dies to Removal

You realize you're basically doing the same thing as Sene right now right?

Like if it bothers you why are you here, reading this thread...

Badman , I respect you

You realize you're basically doing the same thing as Sene right now right?

Like if it bothers you why are you here, reading this thread...

Trying to help you guys realize ..

and I can leave if that's what the user base wants.

You realize you're basically doing the same thing as Sene right now right?

Like if it bothers you why are you here, reading this thread...

Trying to help you guys realize ..

and I can leave if that's what the user base wants.

I cannot help to wonder where is the cultural barrier? And I don't mean your home country, Onar, by all means. The Gutter has people from all around the world, and we all get along fine, and get our humor. People think that the Razzies are about us being internet mad or holding a grudge. Some people are seriously paranoid about our quips in the mini-chat about forum raids. Why? Why don't you get that it's a frigging joke? Why can't some people laugh at themselves? Do you seriously think I would be concerned about a joke that Super awesome dude who gets a ton of bitches everyday made about bondage today? It's all tongue in cheek.

So no, Onar, no one wants you to leave. Our community's goal is to be open. Our site is not the Gutter, beause we know that the
Gutter is not for everyone. So just chill, have a good time, post about magic, video games, music you're listening to. It would be so rich to have the latest hits from your side of the world in our Music forum. Having you here can only make this site better, and that is true for anyone who wants to join.

hey guys i heard yanni lives in new york, err maine

my kids, my kids! what will be come of my kids!

hey guys i heard yanni lives in new york, err maine

Yeah, it's been a month. And the only reason it hasn't moved forwards is that other things have been coming up and distracting us. In my case, real life.

I'm happy
to do it. But at this point, most of the people who care have moved on or been banned. But eh.

Let us consider, for a moment, that the following scenarios have required a shitstorm in order to be resolved. Keep in mind, I'm not saying "shitstorm" as in "Drama", but required threadnaughts in order to get any results.

1.) The Ria fiasco. I will point to this as one of the key defining points that led to the CI drama we are seeing to this day. Ria and the userbase had problems. Other staff had problems with Ria. People tried to - apparently - take care of this and point out the issues they had in private with other staff, and I'm assuming there was a lot of talk about it in the Mod Lounge. However, nothing was being done, so we have a regular user creating a thread about it,
detailing the problems they and others have had with Ria.

2.) WCT rules. Another great moment in CI drama. Moderators come in and say, "We're changing the rules, go fuck yourselves." Try to spin it any way you like, but that is the gist of it. When a lot of long-time members to the site came in and said, "Whoa wait a minute, why?", the response was an overwhelming, "Well, we had people come to us in confidence and say they didn't feel welcome." There was also the, "We're the mods, you aren't. If you have issues with it, take it up with the admins, but they have our back." Now, the appointment of Teia Rabishu to the staff ruffled feathers. I know that I was pretty much unwilling to go into WCT, especially after the bullshit infraction Teia gave me. But to tell the community our opinion doesn't matter because we are either a "vocal minority" or because we are a differing opinion? Really? The only reason anyone took notice was because people
who normally didn't give two shits about CI drama started posting in there. It was then that the staff really took a look at it, because there was no hiding it. And even then the staff pretty much said, "If you have no solutions, shut up." The problem was, we had solutions. They were ignored to begin with.

3.) The gutter and bannings. I'm going to come right out and say this: this was your moment, as staff, to shine. You had an opportunity to come in and say, "We need to talk about something." You had the ability to give us the facts, and instead you lied to us. ExpiredRascals lied to us, and you all supported him. You even came out in a response and said, "Yeah, the OP was a lie", Nai. You guys told us this was a lie, and then people started asking what the fuck was going on. GR decides to step away from the party line. "I said this would happen when you were caught, and you wouldn't listen." And here we are, Nai. We are here, with a member of the
staff now demoted because ExpiredRascals is a slimy sack of shit, and he's unworthy of being an admin. What are the odds that we are going to see, "GR was the leak all along" pop up in a thread, with "concrete evidence" supporting the claim that we will never see?

I already have my information on what is going down. I am in contact with Curse. I am in contact with staff at Sally. I get both sides, I make judgments based on the evidence presented.

You guys aren't running Sally effectively. Since when does a fucking moderator get to tell an admin that they can't be held accountable for their actions? You had the opportunity to show people you were going to pay attention to moderators, and you were told by the moderators to fuck off. No, fuck that, you kick those whiny shits and you start from scratch. You wear the pants in the family, not them.

And I am going to take this opportunity to address a PM you sent me concerning our summit:

[quote:
1qygyq88]Yeah, it's been a month. And the only reason it hasn't moved forwards is that other things have been coming up and distracting us. In my case, real life.

I'm happy to do it. But at this point, most of the people who care have moved on or been banned. But eh.

Let us consider, for a moment, that the following scenarios have required a shitstorm in order to be resolved. Keep in mind, I'm not saying "shitstorm" as in "Drama", but required threadnaughts in order to get any results.

1.) The Ria fiasco. I will point to this as one of the key defining points that led to the CI drama we are seeing to this day. Ria and the userbase had problems. Other staff had problems with Ria. People tried to - apparently - take care of this and point out the issues they had in private with other staff, and I'm assuming there was a lot of talk about it in the Mod Lounge. However, nothing was being done, so we have a regular user creating a thread about it, detailing the
problems they and others have had with Ria.

2.) WCT rules. Another great moment in CI drama. Moderators come in and say, "We're changing the rules, go fuck yourselves." Try to spin it any way you like, but that is the gist of it. When a lot of long-time members to the site came in and said, "Whoa wait a minute, why?", the response was an overwhelming, "Well, we had people come to us in confidence and say they didn't feel welcome." There was also the, "We're the mods, you aren't. If you have issues with it, take it up with the admins, but they have our back." Now, the appointment of Teia Rabishu to the staff ruffled feathers. I know that I was pretty much unwilling to go into WCT, especially after the bullshit infraction Teia gave me. But to tell the community our opinion doesn't matter because we are either a "vocal minority" or because we are a differing opinion? Really? The only reason anyone took notice was because people who normally
didn't give two shits about CI drama started posting in there. It was then that the staff really took a look at it, because there was no hiding it. And even then the staff pretty much said, "If you have no solutions, shut up." The problem was, we had solutions. They were ignored to begin with.

3.) The gutter and bannings. I'm going to come right out and say this: this was your moment, as staff, to shine. You had an opportunity to come in and say, "We need to talk about something." You had the ability to give us the facts, and instead you lied to us. ExpiredRascals lied to us, and you all supported him. You even came out in a response and said, "Yeah, the OP was a lie", Nai. You guys told us this was a lie, and then people started asking what the fuck was going on. GR decides to step away from the party line. "I said this would happen when you were caught, and you wouldn't listen." And here we are, Nai. We are here, with a member of the staff now
demoted because ExpiredRascals is a slimy sack of shit, and he's unworthy of being an admin. What are the odds that we are going to see, "GR was the leak all along" pop up in a thread, with "concrete evidence" supporting the claim that we will never see?

I already have my information on what is going down. I am in contact with Curse. I am in contact with staff at Sally. I get both sides, I make judgments based on the evidence presented.

You guys aren't running Sally effectively. Since when does a fucking moderator get to tell an admin that they can't be held accountable for their actions? You had the opportunity to show people you were going to pay attention to moderators, and you were told by the moderators to fuck off. No, fuck that, you kick those whiny shits and you start from scratch. You wear the pants in the family, not them.

And I am going to take this opportunity to address a PM you sent me concerning our summit:

Yeah,
it's been a month. And the only reason it hasn't moved forwards is that other things have been coming up and distracting us. In my case, real life.

I'm happy to do it. But at this point, most of the people who care have moved on or been banned. But eh.

Ah, so it's not going to happen because you've already banned the people who would care? Seriously? Wow, Nai. Just fucking wow.