LEGO Movie Mafia - Game Over - Town Win

[Azrael]

Having flashbacks now to Mojo trying to twist Imopen's arm into claiming what his abilities were last night.

CK's not lying about that, and Mojo was right about Imopen all along.

[imopen2]

1. Once, when a player is eliminated (lynched, vigged, NK'd etc.) I may choose to gain their powers for one N&D phase.

This was said to take 2 days.

2. The next time the mafia team makes a night kill selection, I am informed, and may in turn inform the rest of the game by pm that this is the next mafia kill and that the doctor should save them because they are town. The mafia kill will go through if no action is taken within 48 hours to save the victim.

This was said to take 3 days.

3. Upon my death, I am informed how I was killed and by whom. I may send a pm, of ten words or less, to any player, implicating my killer.

This was said to take 3 days

These were my day 2 inventions.

[imopen2]

Having flashbacks now to Mojo trying to twist Imopen's arm into claiming what his abilities were last night.

CK's not lying about that, and Mojo was right about Imopen all along.

Blah blah blah. Good luck getting around that time stamp, scum.

[RedNihilist]

I've asked for a roleblocking device, Stardust replied it would take 2 days to build.
Then I've asked for a lie detector ability (1 shot), and that would have took 2 days as well.
I decided to go for the latter.
Imopen then bargs in and says that he was building the same device, but with two shots, so I had to investigate on his role a little because it felt "unfair", but I ended up having him to declare he was town as well so I just decided to let my ability do its work rather than keeping on the role hunt.
Imopen didn't lie, as my ability said, and that avoids things like the strange "godfather-on-off" thing that came with GR's role.

There are only so much possible scenarios about what happened tonight between my ability and imopen's:
- he's right and I'm right, you're scum and you should die in a fire; very likely to me.
- he's scum and has some kind of strange ability that messes up with my lie detecting device - as a passive it would be unfair, and if he smelled that I was going to investigate him he's the Master Scum and deserves to win anyway.
- he's town and lying about you, but at that point he deserves to lose and I won't backpedal on that because this scenario doesn't make any fuckin' sense.

[RedNihilist]

1. Once, when a player is eliminated (lynched, vigged, NK'd etc.) I may choose to gain their powers for one N&D phase.

This was said to take 2 days.

2. The next time the mafia team makes a night kill selection, I am informed, and may in turn inform the rest of the game by pm that this is the next mafia kill and that the doctor should save them because they are town. The mafia kill will go through if no action is taken within 48 hours to save the victim.

This was said to take 3 days.

3. Upon my death, I am informed how I was killed and by whom. I may send a pm, of ten words or less, to any player, implicating my killer.

This was said to take 3 days

These were my day 2 inventions.

... and when did you submit your lie-detecting invention, if I may?

[imopen2]

Day 1. I haven't revealed the other two inventions cause I might build them still

[Azrael]

I need feedback from the other three townies on what plans you'd like me to submit before we proceed further.

[RedNihilist]

Just be hanged, thanks '-'

[imopen2]

If I had any doubt that you were scum, I would consider suggesting inventions, but I know you're scum so what's the point?

[Azrael]

from the other three townies

^

[imopen2]

Oh, you didn't want to hear from this townie?

[imopen2]

And no response to my inventions? Strange. That seemed like such a big deal an hour ago

[Azrael]

And no response to my inventions? Strange. That seemed like such a big deal an hour ago

This game's going to be decided by role abilities, now. Everything else is just a footnote.

[imopen2]

So then why ask me for information that is only useful to the scum?

[Col. Khaddafi]

If someone actually has a vig shot I would gladly take it so we can lynch az right after. That would put us at an unnecessary dolls advantage but you guys can't know that so I don't blame you for being safe. I would want to confirm with stardust beforehand that a vig shot wouldn't end the day tho

No. If we do something is we shoot Az and we lynch you, since you've already been immune to one shot.

Can someone hasten one of my inventions? I still have some offensive tricks up my sleeve but they won't be ready today unless someone helps

[Dechs Kaison]

Nothing I can be done with soon enough.

[imopen2]

If someone actually has a vig shot I would gladly take it so we can lynch az right after. That would put us at an unnecessary dolls advantage but you guys can't know that so I don't blame you for being safe. I would want to confirm with stardust beforehand that a vig shot wouldn't end the day tho

No. If we do something is we shoot Az and we lynch you, since you've already been immune to one shot.

Can someone hasten one of my inventions? I still have some offensive tricks up my sleeve but they won't be ready today unless someone helps

I mean, that's fine with me. Once he flips scum, I'm cleared, so I would much prefer that situation. I don't have a protection ability tho so it's kinda irrelevant

[Dechs Kaison]

Either Rez or Ham had to have protected Imopen. Or the scum. I'm not going to fall into the trap that a failed kill means scum because it's the trick I pulled in gone postal.

[imopen2]

Either Rez or Ham had to have protected Imopen. Or the scum. I'm not going to fall into the trap that a failed kill means scum because it's the trick I pulled in gone postal.

Or scumbag is the last scum and is lying.

[Stardust]

Votecount!

Azrael (3): imopen2, RedNihilist, Dechs Kaison

Not voting: Col. Khaddafi, Azrael, Lord_Mcdonalds

With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

[Azrael]

Either Rez or Ham had to have protected Imopen. Or the scum. I'm not going to fall into the trap that a failed kill means scum because it's the trick I pulled in gone postal.

Both Rez and Ham's actions are already accounted for, and it's not them. And the mafia already had a RBer/jailer who we killed, so I highly doubt they targeted Imopen, during the day, with an ability that did something like that.

It's far more likely to be a passive ability that Imopen possesses, but isn't claiming.

[Azrael]

If someone actually has a vig shot I would gladly take it so we can lynch az right after. That would put us at an unnecessary dolls advantage but you guys can't know that so I don't blame you for being safe. I would want to confirm with stardust beforehand that a vig shot wouldn't end the day tho

No. If we do something is we shoot Az and we lynch you, since you've already been immune to one shot.

Can someone hasten one of my inventions? I still have some offensive tricks up my sleeve but they won't be ready today unless someone helps

No one can hasten them to be done today. You could ask Lord McD to hasten them for tomorrow morning, but by that point, we could already have lost.

I think we need to go outside the box to one of the alternatives discussed earlier.

[Azrael]

Dechs, please unvote again so that we can kill me in a little while, properly.

[imopen2]

Alright, LMD and scumbag, what are your concerns about voting az? What makes more sense? That me and red are scum that created an elaborate gambit where we claim the same role and try to mislynch az? Or az is using his previous experience to lead the town off a cliff?

Don't ignore the cop result

[Col. Khaddafi]

If there are two scums and one town gets lynched, then another gets NK'd, we'd wake up to 2 scum/2town scenario and we lose.

I mean, You've gotta admit its a possible scenario no? This warrants a little extra caution instead of going immediately after the cop result.

[RedNihilist]

Unvote

Let's try to put some order in this before going any further.

[RedNihilist]

I'm going to analyze things a bit, but before that I'd like mr.Khaddafi to tell me what does he think of Azrael at this point.

[Col. Khaddafi]

I don't like how he was instrumental to ham's lynching but that's about it.

[Dechs Kaison]

If there is two scum left, then we need all four remaining townies on the same page to hang one.

[Col. Khaddafi]

I'd like to know who roleblocked me and why when I (Jones) tried to shoot imopen2. An answer to that would go a very long way in me going with your cop result.

Does everyone here confirm they had nothing to do with the block? The 6 of us?

[RedNihilist]

I really don't get why Azrael went *that* overboard to save Col. MoJo and hang ham.
Any good hypothesis is welcome.

Take note that, at the moment, I consider myself, DK and LMD as confirmed town.

[imopen2]

I really don't get why Azrael went *that* overboard to save Col. MoJo and hang ham.
Any good hypothesis is welcome.

Take note that, at the moment, I consider myself, DK and LMD as confirmed town.

...but you lie detectored me and I'm town

[Azrael]

I really don't get why Azrael went *that* overboard to save Col. MoJo and hang ham.
Any good hypothesis is welcome.

Take note that, at the moment, I consider myself, DK and LMD as confirmed town.

Because I wanted the vigilante alive, and the only viable candidate I had for scum at the time dead.

CK's in a bit of a kingmaker position here. He's uniquely positioned to understand several interesting facets of the situation:

1. We know that Imopen's cancellation of the vig-kill was not town-controlled. No one has come forward.
2. CK knows I stuck my neck way out to keep him alive, and turn the lynch to Ham. So if I were scum, then I would have been bussing my buddy for credit on day 1, then throwing an easy mislynch and all that built-up credit completely down the toilet by being the person primarily responsible for getting Ham killed off. Those two strategies make absolutely zero sense together.

Other factors to consider are A) the missing daykill from N1, which I've claimed responsibility for blocking with my bulletproof, and confirmed as far as Dechs is concerned with that "running out of pieces" dialogue with Stardust. B) I've also confirmed through that that I'm a master builder - and we know that GR, the only mafia member not to flip so far, was NOT a master builder. So, either I was faking that bulletproof to mislead the town, and I was somehow able to fake master-building ability, or that's legit. C) Also search my history - I've NEVER skipped a kill in some kind of weird attempt to quasi-confirm myself to the town in 70+ games of mafia. It's just not worth it.

Mafia win by killing townies, not skipping kills, bussing their teammates on D1, and then conspicuously lynching townies the very next day.

Kill me, but make damn sure that we play this so Imopen's gambit is exposed and countered.

PPE: RN - totally a townie keeping his story straight...

[Azrael]

*grins*

In his last several posts you can see signs of RN trying to manuever around here a bit so that he isn't caught in the same trap as Imopen. He wants to make sure he isn't tied to his dying buddy.

A townie might have thought to do the same thing, but ONLY if he didn't buy that Imopen's result on me was true. A townie RN would have every reason to be2lieve that Imopen was telling the truth - a cop investigation by Imopen, and a cop investigation of his own confirming Imopen.

When Imopen and I die, don't let RN wriggle free.

[imopen2]

Idk what's going on with Red, but you're scum, az. I know this much to be true

[RedNihilist]

*grins*

In his last several posts you can see signs of RN trying to manuever around here a bit so that he isn't caught in the same trap as Imopen. He wants to make sure he isn't tied to his dying buddy.

A townie might have thought to do the same thing, but ONLY if he didn't buy that Imopen's result on me was true. A townie RN would have every reason to be2lieve that Imopen was telling the truth - a cop investigation by Imopen, and a cop investigation of his own confirming Imopen.

When Imopen and I die, don't let RN wriggle free.

Nice after death plains you got there bro, you should try to come up with something better though.
So far I've just seen you mudslinging and resorting to fear ("watch out! we're suddenly in LyLo and if I die we've lost" is the message you're trying to get through), I'll wait for something better.

I've actually got a tell on you that I consider quite strong, but I'm willing to let you talk a bit before setting up your lynch.

[Dechs Kaison]

As an aside... This game is so much more fun with everyone participating.

[Azrael]

Resorting to fear, huh?

Is that how you characterize embracing the idea that the town should A) Kill me because its good play to not ignore a claimed cop investigation, while B) using its abilities to play around losing to said false cop gambit in the process?

Pretty fair characterization, there.

Clearly, the town should just bravely proceed to lynch me without considering things like Imopen's unexplained ability to be unkillable, your identical, self-serving role-claims, why Imopen (claimed cop investigation pending) survived last night while Rezombad (an unclaimed player) was killed, my having blocked the N1 kill, any behavioral analysis of us whatosever, and they should just skip planning for the possibility that when I flip, they'll see I was telling the truth and pinpointed the last two scum.

Because just taking your guys' word for who the last scum is, in lylo, and ignoring everything else that's happened between us, would be the smart way to play it?

You're going to fail. The town's smart enough to see that they need to plan for both possibilities, not just trust you unflinchingly, and that's going to result in both of your deaths.

[imopen2]

Literally everything you just said was WIFOM. I've been unflinching in my play this game and I have a confirmed scum result. In order for any of what you just said to be considered, we must first believe 1. Your claims (I know you're scum so this kinda falls flat immediately, but for the sake of my fellow townies I'll humor this) and 2. scumbag/mojo (who never really acted townie while he was in the game, threatened a vig that never happened, disappeared, then replaced and now claims his shot was blocked...yet never called me out in game to say as much. Seems like something the rest of the town would have wanted to know yesterDay).

I have no problem with planning for after your death since I know your death will prove me right. You're the one who keeps saying "let's plan for after my death...but first look at these reasons you should kill the others instead"

[Azrael]

I have no problem with planning for after your death since I know your death will prove me right.

Good, then you and RN should probably stop arguing against that idea, for example, bawling about your cop investigation being ignored, or saying that doing so would be "fear-mongering".