Dies to Removal

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:59 pm**

Toddington, just wondering where did you find my videos? Was it from this site or somewhere else?

From this site, but also from Zemanjaski's 2nd CFB article. I've been lurking for a while.

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:14 pm**

@DerWille: Solid results, did elspeth help?

@Toddington: Thanks for the info

Last Time

2nd SE Report 6589115
Standard Elimination R1: Boros Aggro vs Esper Control Event (6589115) <-- MOCS Grinder
Standard Elimination R2: Boros Aggro vs Rw Aggro Event (6589115) <-- DtR Member
Standard Elimination R3: Split

I also played the Championship Qualifier 6592242, and manage too qualify in my first try

I'll post those games tomorrow - that said my G3 during the qualifier was extremely tilt worthy, R1 I lose (after he was on death bed) because I don't see a removal, R2: i crush him and R3: same reason.

Thus I'm really temped in running the 4th chain MD now, but I'll settle with swapping Selfies for Warleader Helix...

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:17 pm**

MDU, how about -1 SBD -1 Mountain for +1 Chains and +1 to your liking (FDS, Selfie, back to LI). I goofed around last week and played dega control with warleader helix and they always felt like a huge bomb on a little target to me.

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:18 pm**

@MDU Good job, no more stressing necessary! You can keep playing in the CQs for fun right?

How were the Selfies overall? I like the idea of 2 Helix's main, but would always be afraid of getting too top heavy post board.

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:53 pm**

@MDU, I saw her once all night and she was in a hand I mulliganed because it was 2 land, dragon x2, assemble, elspeth, and Chandra. However, I did see Chandra a few times and she was definitely helpful. In the situations I drew her, she would have been more beneficial than a chained or a firedrinker.

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:50 pm**

Is this deck a slightly better call for the environment than Rw Devotion? I've been playing Rw devotion a while with great results but I've enjoyed watching MDU's latest videos.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:10 am**

@MDU Good job, no more stressing necessary! You can keep playing in the CQs for fun right?

Yep, the more spots I steal the easier the finals will be

How were the Selfies overall? I like the idea of 2 Helix's main, but would always be afraid of getting too top heavy post board.

Selfies are great (most of the time) I win most of my games via fliers so having extra is great - vs removal heavy list however, Helix maybe better because its much harder to stop a spell then
it is a creature.

Is this deck a slightly better call for the environment than Rw Devotion? I've been playing Rw devotion a while with great results but I've enjoyed watching MDU's latest videos.

No, Rw Devotion is really powerful - no other T1 deck in the format can produce the same amount of burst damage (it wins many events for a reason). I prefer more control over beatdown/burst so its a matter of preference then deck ability

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:48 am**

Hi there guys. Took a break from MTG since this season was Limited and Dailies were not available and now planning on going back. Looking at the decklists from the alst few pages, it seems Skyknights are the new boys in the town, at least according to MDU.

I do still have my deck and essentially have all the cards (last De scoring deck here http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/208663). Few questions though:

Seems like about 20 creatures are the optimal amount, with Boros Reckoner relegated to SB (which I assume is mainly a MTGO meta decisison, since i can't really fathom going to a normal tourney with the hordes of aggro players having Reckoner in the board). Correct?

Number of Chandra copies seems to have been reduced from 3 to 2. I admit, there were times when I wished I had drawn another card, so this seems like a reasonable choice.

SB seems varied as always, 2 points there - Glare of Heresy and Skullcrack. Saw the discussion on GoH, just wanted to now if you guys consider these essential now.

Warleader's Helix - useful in any way now? Was good at the start of the new season and rapidly lost it's power with each passing week.

And the last question - as you can see from my decklist, I wasn't playing with 1 drops in dailies when I took the break. Once again - considered essential now?

I don't have any real input right now, since all the tournies here were modern in preparation for GP Prague (modern), so I haven't attended one. Since I used MTGO mainly as a testing ground for paper tournies (and it tremendously helped, I've began scoring much higher since I started playing) I just wanted the opinions of those more acquitainted to how things are now. Either way, thanks for reading and even more thanks for any reaction.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:03 am**

Seems like about 20 creatures are the optimal amount, with Boros Reckoner relegated to SB (which I assume is mainly a MTGO meta decisison, since i can't really fathom going to a normal tourney with the hordes of aggro players having Reckoner in the board). Correct?

Hmmm define normal tourney? If you mean FNM then maybe but for PTQ or higher control and Bx will just laugh at your Reckoner (online during DE I'll argue Reckoner MD is better esp. if you have an >1800 rating).

Helix is weak, but it better then MD Boros Charm if your looking for away to inflict 4 damage MD, GoH is good vs Esper Aggro and UW Control which is a thing, SC is good vs Bx devotion which we all know is a thing, that deck which you went 3-1 with looks solid vs an
aggressive meta (I really like the choices you made, well done) I think you'll should be able to gain a finish in most DE or PE but you forfeit your G1 vs Control or Bx Devotion.

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Championship Qualifier 6592242 Report (4-1)
Championship Qualifier G1 Boros Aggro vs Rw Aggro (Event 6592242)
Championship Qualifier G2 Boros Aggro vs Bx Devotion (Event 6592242)
Championship Qualifier G3 Boros Aggro vs Bx Devotion (Event 6592242)
Championship Qualifier G4 Boros Aggro vs Bg Devotion (Event 6592242)
Championship Qualifier G5: Split

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:48 am**

Taking this to FNM tonight:

[deck= MDU's Boros Aggro (JS Tweak)]
Lands 25
11 Mountain
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 20
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Ash Zealot
2 Skyknight Legionaire
4 StormBreath Dragon

Enchantments 03
3 Chained to the Rocks

Instants 08
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet

Sorcery 02
2 Mizzium Mortars

Planeswalkers 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Glare of Heresy
1 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
3 Shock
3 Warleader's Helix
2 Last Breath[/deck]

Vs Mono Black
+3 WLH, +1 C2R, +1 MM
-2 SBD, -2 Mountains, -1 MJ

VS UW
+3 WLH, +2 GoH
-2 MM, -3 C2R

VS Mono U
+1 C2R, +1 MM, +3 Shock, +3 WLH, +2 LB
-4 RC, -2 FDS, -4 AZ

VS W/x Aggro
+1 C2R, +1 MM, +3
Shock, +3 WLH, +3 BR, +2 GoH
-4 RC, -2 FDS, -2 SKL, -2 Mountains, -2 SBD, -1 AZ

VS R/x Devo
+1 C2R, +1 MM, +3 WLH, +3 BR, +2 GoH
-4 RC, -2 FDS, -2 Chandra, -2 SKL

VS G/x Devo / Monsters
+1 C2R, +1 MM, +3 WLH, +3 BR, +3 Shock
-4 RC, -2 FDS, -1 Chandra, -4 AZ

VS BW Control
+2 WLH, +1 MM, +1 C2R
-4 MJ

Vs Esper Control
+2 WLH, +2 GoH, +1 MM
-3 C2R, -2 MJ

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:10 am**

@Johnny_Spike: you board in Warleader's Helix vs everything - why isn't it MD?

I tested

[deck=MDU's Boros Aggro]Lands 25
11 Mountain
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 18
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Ash Zealot
4 StormBreath Dragon

Enchantments 03
3 Chained to the Rocks

Instants 10
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Warleader's Helix

Sorcery 02
2 Mizzium Mortars

Planeswalkers 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the Rocks
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Glare of Heresy
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
2 Skullcrack
2 Boros Charm
2 Last Breath[/deck]
Today and had a clean sweep beating Bg Devotion, Rw Devotion and Gr Devotion - I'm liking the Warleader's Helix MD

(I'll post the games tomorrow).

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:10 pm**

Ok abandoning an Rakdos for a moment till we have scrylands. Am interested in this version you are playing mdu. Can you explain to me why Skyknight legionaire is so good?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:50 pm**

Ok abandoning an Rakdos for a moment till we have scrylands. Am interested in this version you are playing mdu. Can you explain to me why Skyknight legionaire is so good?

Because you can only run 4x Phoenix.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:54 pm**

At MDU, didn't notice that... will think about how to fix it.

WLH was great tonight when I could cast it.

Went 2-1 with wins against Dega control (2-0) and R/g Devo (2-1). Lost to B/w control (0-2) because Obzedat on curve both games while I struggle with lands.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:38 pm**

@Johnny_Spike: you board in Warleader's Helix vs everything - why isn't it MD?

Lazerburn asked me the same question, but my reason for keeping [card]Warleader's Helix[/card] in the sideboard is because it feels like cards 61 and 62. I could possibly see putting it in over Chandra because I wanted Chandra for falter + card draw, but Helix would just out right kill many things I'm having problems with. If my meta becomes any heavier in red (I was surprised Wednesday) I could definitely see -2 Chandra for +2 Warleader's Helix main board.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:51 am**

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Deck change based on Event 6592242:

[deck=MDU's Boros Aggro]Lands 25
11 Mountain
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 18
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4
Ash Zealot
4 StormBreath Dragon

Enchantments 03
3 Chained to the Rocks

Instants 10
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Warleader's Helix

Sorcery 02
2 Mizzium Mortars

Planeswalkers 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the Rocks
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Glare of Heresy
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
2 Skullcrack
2 Boros Charm
2 Last Breath[/deck]
(-2x Selfie Legionnaire, +2x Warleader's Helix)

Standard Elimination Event Report 6599211
Standard Elimination R1 Boros Aggro vs Bg Devotion Event 6599211
Standard Elimination R2 Boros Aggro vs Rw Devotion Event 6599211
Standard Elimination R3 Boros Aggro vs Gr Devotion Event 6599211

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:59 am**

Played 4 events with my new build, finished all in cash. 3-1 Daily, 4-1 Championships (Qualified for them in first try !), 3-4 Premier and 4-1 R&D Challenge. Recording all and hope to get some feedbacks how to improve deck to fight field.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:18 am**

What would your build be Pedros? Also it great it have another DtR member in the finals

EDIT: never mind I found it, its a Pyro list (you should post it in the pyro thread, we really need to keep the list separate) its a shame you had to face another DtR member during the CQ for the finals (Clemens268 = dauntless268).

P.S. Don't give up dauntless268 going 3-2 = 5 boosters which you can sell for $15 and try again

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:31 am**

Right I'm back with Big Boros for the weekend - aiming to get at least 4 DE in

Selfie or Helix MDU?

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:32 am**

Played 4 events with my new build, finished all in cash. 3-1 Daily, 4-1 Championships (Qualified for them in first try !), 3-4 Premier and 4-1 R&D Challenge. Recording all and hope to get some feedbacks how to improve deck to fight field.

I think that you should note that you played all these events at the same time Pedros

I can't manage to concentrate on 1 game, let alone 4

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:43 am**

Played 4 events with my new build, finished all in cash. 3-1 Daily, 4-1 Championships (Qualified for them in first try !), 3-4 Premier and 4-1 R&D Challenge. Recording all and hope to get some feedbacks how to improve deck to fight field.
I think that you should note that you played all these events at the same time Pedros I can't manage to concentrate on 1 game, let alone 4

It amuses me that pedros
once said I have more time to play, even though I barely can get in one DE. That said its really good to have an active Event grinder, we can get much better data that way and promote the archetypes when/if the builds get listed on the mothership.

Right I'm back with Big Boros for the weekend - aiming to get at least 4 DE in

Selfie or Helix MDU?

Welcome to my current struggle

Selfie are better when they stick for 2 turns (Ux Devo, Gx Devo and Rx Devo)
Helix is decent in every MU except Ux Devotion because of those darn Owls... the cc is also a hurdle, but your almost
always going to get your bang for your buck unlike selfie.

Which is better? I dunno, I'm testing Helix for now.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:40 am**

@Johnny_Spike: you board in Warleader's Helix vs everything - why isn't it MD?

I can't find anything to cut

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:22 am**

PyroRakis is not for me. I'm coming home to Big Boros. Going to have to dig through lists and find a current build that can attack my meta.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:36 am**

PyroRakis is not for me. I'm coming home to Big Boros. Going to have to dig through lists and find a current build that can attack my meta.

MDU's Latest is really good, but I would adjust the SB.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:36 am**

MDU's Latest is really good, but I would adjust the SB.

Is it good enough to update the primer?

I can't find anything to cut

Perhaps we don't need it in the MD and follow this logic:

My reason for keeping [card]Warleader's Helix[/card] in the sideboard is because it feels like cards 61 and 62. I
could possibly see putting it in over Chandra because I wanted Chandra for falter + card draw, but Helix would just out right kill many things I'm having problems with. If my meta becomes any heavier in red (I was surprised Wednesday) I could definitely see -2 Chandra for +2 Warleader's Helix main board.

Running by that logic - Selfie are better G1 when removals are limited, G2+G3 when we know what the Opp. we can bring in Helix which is decent against everything but never great (in my list I'll cut Skullcrack for them).

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That said I entered an SE just now with my Helix MD list and went 3-0 beating rujasu from Sally running the mirror, Esper Control and Wb Humans (which I thought was Esper Aggro for the G1-2)

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:47 am**

I'll add the list you're taking to the championship (after the championship if you prefer).

Edit: Forget My decklist, I'm just going to play MDU's. After going through the SB plan, I realized Shock is no longer needed, and that was the main difference between our lists.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:55 am**

Show up tonight to FNM and found out my meta shifted to UW and Esper control with some Red decks. Tried out PyroRakis but deck just wouldn't come together. Got really close to winning a few matches but ended up short with not having the last few points of burn and top decking Gates. Gates could have been scrylands which would have filtered enough to get me the last piece of burn.

Missed having a top ender to just close out the games. Ol' Stormy just does it and Exava couldn't cut it here. Going to have to try MDU's list. Looks absolutely solid.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:01 am**

If you want to run Rakdos...

[deck]Lands 23
10 Mountain
3 Swamp
2 Mutavault
4 Blood Crypt
4 Rakdos Guildgate

Creatures 22
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Spike Jester
4 Ash Zealot
3 Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
3 StormBreath Dragon

Spells 15
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Dreadbore
3 Rakdos Keyrune

Sideboard
4 Thoughtseize
3 Slaughter Games
2 Rakdos's Return
2 Doom Blade
2 Dark Betrayal
2 Flames of the Firebrand
[/deck]

So sexy....

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:23 am**

P.S. Don't give up dauntless268 going 3-2 = 5 boosters which you can sell for $15 and try again

I see I'm being followed...

Tbh, it was a very frustrating event. I ran a modified version of my PyroHelix build w 6 one-drops, 3 YP and 3 Stormbreath. Went 3-0, beating guys like SMDtster on the way, then 1-0 only to proceed to loose 2 games against BG devotion with the guy twice blowing up my chains... And then 0-2 to Pedros...

Anyway, will have at least one more shot on the CQ this weekend. Truth of the matter, as much as I love YP$, the meta is really not favorable
for him right now.

Happy to see Warleader Helix continuing to get some credit

MDU your list is very logical, just that personally I hate Guildgate so much ...

only thing I don't see is why not 4 Chains. SO good against all Top 4 decks of the Meta... I would go +1 chains -1 Mortars MD

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:12 am**

I'll add the list you're taking to the championship (after the championship if you prefer).

I think it is worth putting Dauntless's Helix build in the Primer as a variant too

May I also suggest putting all of MDU's video's in the Primer and updating the lists of 'Cards we want' etc

I am thinking that ideally a newcomer should be able to read the Primer and then jump right into the thread rather than read the entire thing - the Pyro thread is like this. That said I realise it is time consuming

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:24 am**

Btw MDU my list is neither pyro or big boros. I am running 3 pyro however I also run elspeth, dragons assemble and 25 lands plus purporos and reckoners 0o

Dont know where to post it

List send to Purp, will post one with videos when back from shop!

As for a time, i got first free day from work and school yesterday, and to not loose time I played 4 events, it happens that I had to play 3 games at the same time

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:34 am**

My reason for keeping [card]Warleader's Helix[/card] in the sideboard is because it feels like cards 61 and 62. I could possibly see putting it in over Chandra because I wanted Chandra for falter + card draw, but Helix would just out right kill many things I'm having problems with. If my meta becomes any heavier in red (I was surprised Wednesday) I could definitely see -2 Chandra for +2 Warleader's Helix main board.
Running by that logic - Selfie are better G1 when removals are limited, G2+G3 when we know what the Opp. we can bring in Helix which is decent
against everything but never great (in my list I'll cut Skullcrack for them).

I REALLY LIKE the idea of Selfie MD and Helix over Crack in the SB - I know J_S has been saying Crack isn't needed for a long time, it's just won me so many games I'm kinda scared to leave home without it! Choices, choices

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:09 am**

My reason for keeping [card]Warleader's Helix[/card] in the sideboard is because it feels like cards 61 and 62. I could possibly see putting it in over Chandra because I wanted Chandra for falter + card draw, but Helix would just out right kill many things I'm having problems with. If my meta becomes any heavier in red (I was surprised Wednesday) I could definitely see -2 Chandra for +2 Warleader's Helix main board.[/
quote]
Running by that logic - Selfie are better G1 when removals are limited, G2+G3 when we know what the Opp. we can bring in Helix which is decent against everything but never great (in my list I'll cut Skullcrack for them).
I REALLY LIKE the idea of Selfie MD and Helix over Crack in the SB - I know J_S has been saying Crack isn't needed for a long time, it's just won me so many games I'm kinda scared to leave home without it! Choices, choices
Might be ok.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:13 am**

Btw MDU my list is neither pyro or big boros. I am running 3 pyro however I also run elspeth, dragons assemble and 25 lands plus purporos and reckoners 0o

Dont know where to post it

List send to Purp, will post one with videos when back from shop!

As for a time, i got first free day from work and school yesterday, and to not loose time I played 4 events, it happens that I had to play 3 games at the same time

I know I saw it, I'll describe as a midrange-combo-control deck.

Pyro has a huge element of small synergies, while most Pyro list are Aggro-Combo-Control your deck will
most likely fit in that area.

Its nice to see people working on the Red God Combo, I had a shot at it a while back in the Pyro thread but gave up on it...

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:31 pm**

Playing in an event tomorrow, going to rock this:

[deck]Lands 25
11 Mountain
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 20
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Ash Zealot
4 StormBreath Dragon

Spells 15
3 Chained to the Rocks
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Assemble the Legion
2 Glare of Heresy
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
3 Warleader"s Helix
2 Last Breath[/deck]

SB Plan

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:10 pm**

I like the list Johnny_Spike. I always feel better in games when I have a one drop turn 1. It is completely different for your opponent as well in regards to tempo.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:30 pm**

Looks solid J_S

Good luck

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:12 pm**

If you want to run Rakdos...

[deck]Lands 23
10 Mountain
3 Swamp
2 Mutavault
4 Blood Crypt
4 Rakdos Guildgate

Creatures 22
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Spike Jester
4 Ash Zealot
3 Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
3 StormBreath Dragon

Spells 15
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Dreadbore
3 Rakdos Keyrune

Sideboard
4 Thoughtseize
3 Slaughter Games
2 Rakdos's Return
2 Doom Blade
2 Dark Betrayal
2 Flames of the Firebrand
[/deck]

So sexy....

Might have to try this out once Born hits with the new scryland. Mogis might be awesome also. Black gives us access to a 4 drop. We lose Phoenix but gain Spike Jester and
a Keyrune.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:35 pm**

thanks again Johnny_Spike! I just 4-1ed a CQ and qualified for saturday with your exact 75. The only card I would want is one wear/tear(I would cut one helix) as I had to deal with whip plus dsphere against Esper humans, I managed to fight through it one game. My only loss coming to monoblue. I ended up playing esper humans as stated, G/R monsters, Red devotion, and b/w midrange.

Posted: **Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:36 pm**

Well done Longtoe!

Dies to Removal

Primer: R/w/x Aggro