Planechase Mafia - Game Over

[Stardust]

Planeswalk

Nothing happens.

[rcwraspy]

Well, that changes things. Looks like Mcdonalds silenced khaddafi because of my redirect.

[Pedrobear]

Could it also that Scumbag has been poisoned ? Do someone have a plan to verify that ?

[( G_R )]

It's not the freaking out that's a slip, it's the ability. You gave us your ability as a "possibility".

Just so we're on the same page, what is "my ability"?

...

Scumbag is Nicol Bolas. He can request to go to his Meditation Realm and has a higher probability to land there.

I'm guessing there's something plane related, and perhaps something else.

Can you please explain this post?:

lol, just to think I was the 100% confirmed scum a few posts ago.

You guys are literally the worst, fuck this game I'm not even bothering explaining why this train of thought makes literally no sense, you guys find it out if you're not lazy enough to do a reread, make some real analysis, and find out where the votetrain on McDonalds originated.

ohwai...

[Col. Khaddafi]

I was the first to point out that McDonalds was scum, yanno, after I MADE SOME ACTUAL POST ANALYSIS, and the first to vote him, and I was dumbfounded that you guys were using this argument to lynch Red since it was patently false.

Also yeah, I never saw it coming that he was scum, if it was today, I would still have voted him, I just think that we have thrown the random number generator to ban people again, and this time we got super lucky.

Actually, I'm quite considering doing way less analysis from now on and instead resort to one liners like most of people have been doing, since a) its going to be ignored anywa; b) playing random number generator mafia is not as funny as I initially thought; c) I'm starting to question my own scumhunting skills after I was defending scum hard yesterday.

[Col. Khaddafi]

EBWOP: "I would still not have voted him"

[( G_R )]

Planeswalk

[Stardust]

Planeswalk

You are now on Alara, Grixis. The player who planeswalked here gains an ability that is usable during the Day as long as you remain on Grixis: Unearth [target] – "A dead player of your choice is brought back to life as a zombie with their alignment unchanged."

Zombified players do not retain (or gain) any abilities other than the ability to vote, they are not affected by beneficial abilities, and they are subject to a strict posting restriction. Other than voting, they may only post the words uuhh, uunng, and braaains with as many u's, h's, n's and a's added as they please. No emoting.

[Col. Khaddafi]

Bring back Manders

[hamfactorial]

[Pedrobear]

I think Scumbag has been poisoned and he's now a rage guy.

*joking*

Im on a business trip, I will gather all information about the last 2 deaths tomorrow or the day after.

[rcwraspy]

Khadaffi being silenced makes me think we should lynch someone else today. From what I can tell of McDonalds's ability, all Khadaffi can do is vote from now until the next game day. If he's scum, he can't perform a night kill (as long as I'm reading McDonalds's ability correctly). The risk includes the possibility that he can't planeswalk for some reason other than being silenced by McDonalds.

Both Red and McDonalds had abilities they can only perform at night. Every time I've been scum in a Mafia game it came with the restriction that you have to choose between special abilities and performing the Night Kill - that you can only do one or the other. That means that if they both wanted to use their special night abilities, the third scum buddy would have to perform the Night Kill. Ham's claim of Koth came with a claim of no special abilities, making him the ideal person to perform the night kill while Red and McDonalds use their special abilities. The twist in this analysis, though, is that in Night 2 I targeted Ham with my redirect - if Ham did anything at night, I had it point at McDonalds. McDonalds lived through that night, so Ham didn't perform the NK at least that game night.

[rcwraspy]

GR, do you think Red's choice could be a good plan for scum ?

I mean scum killing McDonalds (80% scum) doesn't seem a good plan for a scum win.

It is if it leads you to "confirm" him as town, LMD was gone anyway, the lynch was already in progress. It's also clearly a good townie choice, which is what a decent player with a scum PM would look for. See, the choice itself is not making Red scummy. What convinced me that he is scum is how strongly he advocated to stay in Theros (seriously, it was a VERY bad idea for us) and how he started mudslinging after we left. What I'm saying is that the choice to devour McD makes sense even if he's scum. Even more if the scum team is only two people. If I may flavor-game: Bolas and Sarkhan?

So, my theory remains the same: the scum team is LMD and RN. What happened to the Colonel is beyond me, if anything at all, but we could be looking at a third faction.

This post leads me to believe (G_R) is town. If he's the third scum, there was no need to push the wagon on Red this hard. Contrast that with McDonalds's posts of Khadaffi that I pointed out earlier. G_R is clearly scumhunting here whereas McDonalds was either busing his scumbuddy or mudslinging a townie.

My T/S, which is starting to lose meaning with so few players:

T
Me
Pedro
G_R
Ham
Rez/Khadaffi
S

Time to revisit the whole "rez is confirmed town" thing? What was the argument for that again?

[hamfactorial]

Etherium Neurosurgery – At Night, you may target another player. That player will lose all abilities except the ability to vote for the following Day and Night.

You're right, Col K can't use any abilities today or tonight, which helps us escape a NK if he's the remaining scum. If he's town or has turned infected, scum can sit by and let the night pass without a kill, forcing us to lynch him to solve the riddle, since the lack of a NK isn't definitive.

It's day 5, which means he's had 4 opportunities to use his night ability. Why hasn't he? If he's town, certainly moving us to Innistrad or Serra's Realm would be a benefit to the town, but he hasn't.

McDonald's ability takes effect the following day, so redirecting his ability last night onto Col K wouldn't prevent him from performing the NK.

My assumption is that someone tried to kill rez but my spellbreak stopped it.

We're on Grixis, so GR can bring back Manders as an extra body, keeping the town bloc the same in case of mislynch.

Best case scenario Col K is scum and we win, worst case is he's town and we have zombie Manders to vote in his place.

[rcwraspy]

Someone with more Mafia experience than me (about 5 or 6 games, all on this site) - how often will a 13 player game get up to 4 scum? Or is that unheard of?

Rezombad also hasn't claimed yet, that I'm aware. I think it's time for that to happen, or at least a good reason why it shouldn't.

[( G_R )]

Mod, if we land on Orzhova again will the zombie be able to speak normaly?

[( G_R )]

Well, given the remaining options, it doesn't matter, she's still our best shot. Unearth Manders

[Stardust]

Mod, if we land on Orzhova again will the zombie be able to speak normaly?

No. The zombified player will no longer be considered "dead".

[( G_R )]

We can circumvent the post restriction by having the words mean something:

uuhh = yes
uung = no
braaains = you're being stupid.

[Stardust]

Manders is now a zombie.

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

[( G_R )]

[Manders]

Ughghgh BRAINS

[Manders]

We can circumvent the post restriction by having the words mean something:

uuhh = yes
uung = no
braaains = you're being stupid.

BRAINS

[hamfactorial]

Heh, zombie Manders droppin' bombs

[hamfactorial]

Ok, since she's back I'd like to walk again. I assume she's here for good, since the plane description says nothing about the effect ending when we leave Grixis.

[Manders]

Heh, zombie Manders droppin' bombs

Uhhhhh

BRAINS

[Manders]

Someone with more Mafia experience than me (about 5 or 6 games, all on this site) - how often will a 13 player game get up to 4 scum? Or is that unheard of?

Rezombad also hasn't claimed yet, that I'm aware. I think it's time for that to happen, or at least a good reason why it shouldn't.

Ung

[rezombad]

Manders is pissed that you brought her back. And so am I.

Also this:

Great job, you guys. 2 down. I was hoping that'd be game, but apparently not.

Of the remaining, here's where everyone ranks (in my opinion) from Scummiest to Most Town:
Col. Khaddafi
( G_R )
rcwraspy
rezombad
hamfactorial
Pedrobear

Here's what everyone needs to do:
Make a case. I don't care if we have 5 cases on one person, everyone make a case. No planeswalking. Once these are done, we can go to the next step.

We've got a great lead here, guys. We did a fantastic job. I'm much less sure about the remaining players than I was the two that just died. We've got to put in the work now.

Gogogo!!

[rezombad]

Manders, sorry I've been busy.

[Col. Khaddafi]

[quote="[url=http://diestorem
We've got a great lead here, guys. We did a fantastic job. I'm much less sure about the remaining players than I was the two that just died. We've got to put in the work now.

Gogogo!![/quote]
We did shit. We got lucky.

And its about time you stop baiting people to post analysys and do some yourself for a change.

For starters: Claim
Then make your own case.
Then we'll do it ourselves.

[Col. Khaddafi]

Phone posting

[Manders]

[quote="[url=http://diestorem
We've got a great lead here, guys. We did a fantastic job. I'm much less sure about the remaining players than I was the two that just died. We've got to put in the work now.

Gogogo!!

We did shit. We got lucky.

And its about time you stop baiting people to post analysys and do some yourself for a change.

For starters: Claim
Then make your own case.
Then we'll do it ourselves.[/quote]
BRAINS!!!

Uuung

[Manders]

she's here for good

Uhhh

BRAINS BRAIBS BRAINS

[Manders]

Manders is pissed that you brought her back.

UHHHHH

Also this:

Great job, you guys. 2 down. I was hoping that'd be game, but apparently not.

Of the remaining, here's where everyone ranks (in my opinion) from Scummiest to Most Town:
Col. Khaddafi
( G_R )
rcwraspy
rezombad
hamfactorial
Pedrobear

Here's what everyone needs to do:
Make a case. I don't care if we have 5 cases on one person, everyone make a case. No planeswalking. Once these are done, we can go to the next step.

We've got a great lead here, guys. We did a fantastic job. I'm much less sure about the remaining players than I was the two that just died. We've got to put in the work now.

Gogogo!!

Uh! Uh! Aaaaah!!!

[Manders]

I was the first to point out that McDonalds was scum, yanno, after I MADE SOME ACTUAL POST ANALYSIS, and the first to vote him, and I was dumbfounded that you guys were using this argument to lynch Red since it was patently false.

Also yeah, I never saw it coming that he was scum, if it was today, I would still have voted him, I just think that we have thrown the random number generator to ban people again, and this time we got super lucky.

Actually, I'm quite considering doing way less analysis from now on and instead resort to one liners like most of people have been doing, since a) its going to be ignored anywa; b) playing random number generator mafia is not as funny as I initially thought; c) I'm starting to question my own scumhunting skills after I was defending scum hard yesterday.

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[Manders]

I was the first to point out that McDonalds was scum, yanno, after I MADE SOME ACTUAL POST ANALYSIS, and the first to vote him, and I was dumbfounded that you guys were using this argument to lynch Red since it was patently false.

Also yeah, I never saw it coming that he was scum, if it was today, I would still have voted him, I just think that we have thrown the random number generator to ban people again, and this time we got super lucky.

Actually, I'm quite considering doing way less analysis from now on and instead resort to one liners like most of people have been doing, since a) its going to be ignored anywa; b) playing random number generator mafia is not as funny as I initially thought; c) I'm starting to question my own scumhunting skills after I was defending scum hard yesterday.

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Uhhhhh brains

[( G_R )]

Found something interesting:

Quick T/S list:

Pedrobear
hamfactorial

Col. Khaddafi
rezombad

rcwraspy
( G_R )
Mcdonalds

I think thar if we hammer LMD, I'd devour raspy or G_R. If we move our lycnh elsewhere, I'll devour LMD.
I'm open to discussion, though.

I don't think he would bus his entire team at the same tame, so I believe that Red's plan was likely to kill a townie and his scumbuddy. Given that his proposed targets were rcw and myself, and looking at the names above in the list, I narrow it down to ham and the Colonel.

I'm pretty sure we should lynch Scumbag first and if that doesn't end the game right there we look into ham/whoever else is alive.

[hamfactorial]

GR, do you think Red's choice could be a good plan for scum ?

I mean scum killing McDonalds (80% scum) doesn't seem a good plan for a scum win.

It is if it leads you to "confirm" him as town, LMD was gone anyway, the lynch was already in progress. It's also clearly a good townie choice, which is what a decent player with a scum PM would look for. See, the choice itself is not making Red scummy. What convinced me that he is scum is how strongly he advocated to stay in Theros (seriously, it was a VERY bad idea for us) and how he started mudslinging after we left. What I'm saying is that the choice to devour McD makes sense even if he's scum. Even more if the scum team is only two people. If I may flavor-game: Bolas and Sarkhan?

So, my theory remains the same: the scum team is LMD and RN. What happened to the Colonel is beyond me, if anything at all, but we could be looking at a third faction.

This post leads me to believe (G_R) is town.  If he's the third scum, there was no need to push the wagon on Red this hard.  Contrast that with McDonalds's posts of Khadaffi that I pointed out earlier.  G_R is clearly scumhunting here whereas McDonalds was either busing his scumbuddy or mudslinging a townie.

My T/S, which is starting to lose meaning with so few players:

T
Me
Pedro
G_R
Ham
Rez/Khadaffi
S

Time to revisit the whole "rez is confirmed town" thing?  What was the argument for that again?

Rez is town because he's still alive. I lied yesterday when I said that I targeted Pedro. I targeted rez instead. He's alive, there was no NK, nobody claimed to have interacted with him to block a kill, therefore he was the target.

You targeted McDonalds last night, redirecting his ability to Col K. Col K wasn't silenced last night, so he could have performed the NK if he is scum. Pedro isn't dead so he didn't protect anyone.

There's no remaining claimed ability that explains the lack of NK except someone tried to kill rez last night, and my lulzy tactic worked.

We can get into WIFOM about the scum team choosing not to kill last night, but that seems like a terrible plan after losing 2 of their members. I believe they tried to kill rez and got blocked.

That leaves Col K, GR and you as remaining scum possibilities. You stated above why you think GR is town, and I agree with you. It's possible that he's scum, but why would he try to derail a wagon on his teammate onto his other teammate? Unless scumGR had a way to lock up the game overnight it seems like a poor plan.

You could be scum, but the only bad thing I've seen from you is that T/S list.

We've resurrected Manders, whose undead corpse gives us another body and insurance in the endgame.

We'll need to take out Col K eventually since he's possibly turned. I believe we should vote for Col K now or do some Planeswalking in hopes of reaching Serra's Realm again.

[( G_R )]

Wow. ham posted, like, words.

Planeswalk already you silly cat.

[hamfactorial]

I would but rez said not to and I clear all my important life decisions with him first