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Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:14 pm**

Colonel H. Stinkmeaner, Town Two-Shot Redirector

and actually it turns out I misread my role, I thought I just switched two people.

Apparently I just redirected anything that hit Rezombad onto myself.... oops.

So that means ISO DID mean to vanillize me because of my soft claim yesterday, which makes sense.

Shit.

Ah well.... there goes my chance to redirect something onto scum

No, this doesn't make sense. If your story were true then iso would have to be targeting rezombad and you redirected it to yourself. You got it right in your previous post but then messed it up here and used it to attack iso

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:18 pm**

I'm a two-shot redirector.

I didn't action N1, claiming I knew nuwen was town was just a bluff because she's obviously town.

N2 I redirected myself and Rezombad because I figured I'd be shot and I thought he was scum.

Bet you were dying to know how the fuck you visited me ISO when you tried to vanillize Rezombad eh (or maybe this mod is just terrible at night action resolution, certainly seems like a clusterfuck setup)

And could you please tell me why it was sooooo important for everyone to mass claim so you could "break open" the game, if you are really a redirector? You're still shooting in the dark on who would be targeted and I really don't think your ability is that strong.

At this point I'm fine with either a fate
or nuwen lynch but I think it should be nuwen since him dead, plus a spambolic reporter usage tomorrow gives us more info than just fate being dead. Someone correct me if I'm missing something

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:29 pm**

Stardust,I'm Gangstalicious. Not sure why the rap thug gets the pig's powers.

You really don't have to think about this too hard. Read imopens' posts; his reactions are pretty vapid. It's clear that he had no idea how to proceed to act in response to negative results on his friends, and now he's committed to voting with his scum team. The last page might as well be a scum QT where each realizes he's fucked in turn. Slow motion train wreck.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:40 pm**

I do see what you're seeing, Nuwen, but I also do have to think about this hard. Reason is, I targeted you last night and failed. Sounds like Fate had a run-in with a roleblocker (need to take some time to wrap my head around that mess still), leaving you as potentially untargetable.

I am Macktastic, Town Friendly Neighbor. Once a game I can target another player. My alignment will be confirmed with that player and we'll share a QT for the remainder of the next day and night.

Anyone want to speculate on other reasons my ability might have failed? I did not get the same message that... whoever it was that targeted HowlingMad got. Their ability apparently went through but failed to do anything - mine just didn't go through at all and didn't use up my shot.

Anyway, I need to wrap my head around all this and don't have the time right this minute. Maybe later I'll make an excel sheet with
all the night actions last night. This is too messy.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:50 pm**

OOG: gonna be gone for a couple of days to study for a test and work on a project, should be back wednesday

Go Go Town

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:01 pm**

Stardust we know town is chock full of power, its very likely that the scum team is the usual: Godfather Kaze, Roleblocker Spambolic(you last night), Vanillizer ISO (me last night), and Goon Imopen.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:02 pm**

Colonel H. Stinkmeaner, Town Two-Shot Redirector

and actually it turns out I misread my role, I thought I just switched two people.

Apparently I just redirected anything that hit Rezombad onto myself.... oops.

So that means ISO DID mean to vanillize me because of my soft claim yesterday, which makes sense.

Shit.

Ah well.... there goes my chance to redirect something onto scum
no my role pm specifically says A->B is redirected. So I submitted (redirect rezombad and myself)

which I THOUGHT would mean bus drive us, but it turns out it just redirects actions from rezom onto me,
not switching us like a busdriver.

ISO targeted me last night. Its possible no one targeted rezom

My massclaim did reveal a shitton, and my motivation behind it was that I WAS VANILLIZED and I knew I could catch scum claiming to have targeted Rezombad (before I realized I had my PR backwards)

No, this doesn't make sense. If your story were true then iso would have to be targeting rezombad and you redirected it to yourself. You got it right in your previous post but then messed it up here and used it to attack iso

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:09 pm**

Can someone explain what a "vanilliazer" is if it is different from a role blocker? I can't find a definition on google

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:14 pm**

Stardust,I'm Gangstalicious. Not sure why the rap thug gets the pig's powers.

You really don't have to think about this too hard. Read imopens' posts; his reactions are pretty vapid. It's clear that he had no idea how to proceed to act in response to negative results on his friends, and now he's committed to voting with his scum team. The last page might as well be a scum QT where each realizes he's fucked in turn. Slow motion train wreck.

Look, there is a clear conflict between what you and fate have been saying and what iso and spambolic have been saying. Spambolic can prove his ability and so can iso if it comes to that. What can you two prove?

I have to pick a side of this and hope I am right. If I went for an iso or spambolic lynch
with you and fate, would that be solid evidence that I was on a scum-team with you? No, it wouldn't. So don't try and use the same faulty logic on me being scum with iso and spam.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:20 pm**

Can someone explain what a "vanilliazer" is if it is different from a role blocker? I can't find a definition on google

Seconded. Fate, what are you talking about?

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:24 pm**

Nuwen! Give us more than that! This is actually important. Thoughts on Yanni's wagon, the people on it, and how they joined, please. If you have anything else from that reread you apparently started, that would be good too.

If Yanni flips town, I'm coming after you Spammy.

Is the bolded why I was roleblocked? If so, what could the mafia have suspected my role was? Seems to say vig (which would be in line with the Col K vig shot the night before, since I suspected him). This potentially points to Nuwen as scum as well (since this post gives her a reason to roleblock me).

Anyway, whatever. I'll reread the game today or tomorrow in light of Kaze's flip. I'm going to stop speculating until then.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:25 pm**

I do see what you're seeing, Nuwen, but I also do have to think about this hard. Reason is, I targeted you last night and failed. Sounds like Fate had a run-in with a roleblocker (need to take some time to wrap my head around that mess still), leaving you as potentially untargetable.

I am Macktastic, Town Friendly Neighbor. Once a game I can target another player. My alignment will be confirmed with that player and we'll share a QT for the remainder of the next day and night.

Anyone want to speculate on other reasons my ability might have failed? I did not get the same message that... whoever it was that targeted HowlingMad got. Their ability apparently went through but failed to do anything - mine just didn't go through at all and
didn't use up my shot.

Anyway, I need to wrap my head around all this and don't have the time right this minute. Maybe later I'll make an excel sheet with all the night actions last night. This is too messy.

Was this used N1 and are there any results?

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:30 pm**

Stardust we know town is chock full of power, its very likely that the scum team is the usual: Godfather Kaze, Roleblocker Spambolic(you last night), Vanillizer ISO (me last night), and Goon Imopen.

I am pretty sure that Spambolic DID target me last night as he said, how could he have targeted Stardust 2.0 with a roleblock?

Unvote

This is a big mess.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:22 pm**

also Im pretty sure he can't self-govern AND BE A VANILLIZER

I was vanillized last night

ISO was tracked to me

1+1

LYNCH PLS
What does this mean? How do you know you we're "vanilliazed" (I assume this means role blocked?)

Vanillized means their abilities were removed.

I'm a two-shot redirector.

I didn't action N1, claiming I knew nuwen was town was just a bluff because she's obviously town.

N2 I redirected myself and Rezombad because I figured I'd be shot and I thought he was scum.

Bet you were dying to know how the fuck you visited me ISO when you tried to vanillize Rezombad eh (or maybe this mod is just terrible at night action resolution, certainly seems like a clusterfuck setup)
And could you please tell me why it was sooooo important for everyone to mass claim so you could "break open" the game, if you are really a redirector? You're still shooting in the dark on who would be targeted and I really don't think your ability is that strong.

At this point I'm fine with either a fate or nuwen lynch but I think it should be nuwen since him dead, plus a spambolic reporter usage tomorrow gives us more info than just fate being dead. Someone correct me if I'm missing something

n
Fate wanted a massclaim so he could use his ability to help his team because they suck at hunting down PRs.

And I'd still like to lynch LMD for lying about seeing me target Fate.

I do see what you're seeing, Nuwen, but I also do have to think about this hard. Reason is, I targeted you last night and failed. Sounds like Fate had a run-in with a roleblocker (need to take some time to wrap my head around that mess still), leaving you as potentially untargetable.

I am Macktastic, Town Friendly Neighbor. Once a game I can target another player. My alignment will be confirmed with that player and we'll share a QT for the remainder of the next day and night.

Anyone want to speculate on other reasons my ability
might have failed? I did not get the same message that... whoever it was that targeted HowlingMad got. Their ability apparently went through but failed to do anything - mine just didn't go through at all and didn't use up my shot.

Anyway, I need to wrap my head around all this and don't have the time right this minute. Maybe later I'll make an excel sheet with all the night actions last night. This is too messy.

Surely you don't believe there's a STALKER and a COP with that claim.

If Fate got hit by the RB and HM is a Commuter, then that just puts another point in favor of my "Nuwen/Fate/LMD" scumteam theory.

Stardust we know town is chock full of power, its very likely that the scum team is the usual: Godfather Kaze,
Roleblocker Spambolic(you last night), Vanillizer ISO (me last night), and Goon Imopen.

There is no way in hell the scumteam are that weak or that the town is this strong. DO U EVEN SETUP GAME BRO

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:01 pm**

Stardust we know town is chock full of power, its very likely that the scum team is the usual: Godfather Kaze, Roleblocker Spambolic(you last night), Vanillizer ISO (me last night), and Goon Imopen.
I am pretty sure that Spambolic DID target me last night as he said, how could he have targeted Stardust 2.0 with a roleblock?

Unvote

This is a big mess.

imopen is the roleblocker then, and
Spambolic is a role-cop or something

This really isn't a mess.

Nuwen vs. Spambolic-Spam is CONFIRMED scum to her. Her play directly lines up with this
ISO vs. Me+LMD-ISO is CONFIRMED SCUM who was TRACKED to me, as a claimed GOVERNOR. I was VANILLIZED last night. Either its literally me, LMD, and Nuwen with HYPER GAMBIT FULL FAKECLAIMT EAM mode

OR

The scum have been caught with their pants down and they CANT COMMUNICATE PRIVATELY ATM.
Their flailing is indiciative of this as well

this is occam'z razor

this game is over.

VOTE: ISO

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:11 pm**

So, can someone explain to me why do we even have twilight in this game if there isn't a governor? The fact that there is a twilight-relevant ability around cannot be disputed.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:17 pm**

Stardust we know town is chock full of power, its very likely that the scum team is the usual: Godfather Kaze, Roleblocker Spambolic(you last night), Vanillizer ISO (me last night), and Goon Imopen.
I am pretty sure that Spambolic DID target me last night as he said, how could he have targeted Stardust 2.0 with a roleblock?

Unvote

This is a big mess.
imopen is the roleblocker then, and Spambolic is a role-cop or something

This really isn't a mess.

Nuwen vs. Spambolic-Spam is CONFIRMED scum to her. Her play directly lines up with this
ISO vs. Me+LMD-ISO is CONFIRMED SCUM who was TRACKED to me, as a claimed GOVERNOR. I was VANILLIZED last night. Either its literally me, LMD, and Nuwen with HYPER GAMBIT FULL FAKECLAIMT EAM mode

OR

The scum have been caught with their pants down and they CANT COMMUNICATE PRIVATELY ATM.
Their flailing is indiciative of this as well

this is occam'z razor

this game is over.

VOTE: ISO

On the contrary, it seems like you and nuwen are the ones that are flailing. As I've said, there are two sides and I have to pick one. If you can tell me how an iso lynch gives us more information than a nuwen lynch, other than the fact that you are on the nuwen
side of the dichotomy, then ill bite. Until then, I've picked my side.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:20 pm**

So, can someone explain to me why do we even have twilight in this game if there isn't a governor? The fact that there is a twilight-relevant ability around cannot be disputed.

Not necessarily true. Many games have twlight for a period of time both to allow the mod to write the flavour and for the players to correct any mistakes in the votecount. There is no set time-period for twilight in this game (24 hrs, or whatever). The fact that Iso claimed governor Day 1 may have even caused Dan to extend the twilights slightly just to allow the fake-claim to have some legs. I've done similar before as a mod when I thought it would make the game more balanced or fun.

I do see what you're seeing, Nuwen, but I also do have to think about this hard. Reason is, I targeted you last night and failed. Sounds like Fate had a run-in with a roleblocker (need to take some time to wrap my head around that mess still), leaving you as potentially untargetable.

I am Macktastic, Town Friendly Neighbor. Once a game I can target another player. My alignment will be confirmed with that player and we'll share a QT for the remainder of the next day and night.

Anyone want to speculate on other reasons my ability might have failed? I did not get the same message that... whoever it was that targeted HowlingMad got. Their ability apparently went through but failed to do anything - mine just didn't go through at all and didn't use up my shot.

Anyway, I need to wrap my head around all this and don't have the time right this minute. Maybe later I'
ll make an excel sheet with all the night actions last night. This is too messy.
Was this used N1 and are there any results?

No. I can only use it once a game, so when I came into this role during Night 1, I wasn't sure who I should target and how I could use this ability aside from proving myself town to someone who I thought was town. I considered targeting Iso, but figured there must be a better use of the ability since I had nothing to say to him and nothing to learn from him. Mulling it over Day 2, I decided to target Nuwen. With my alignment confirmed to her, she would have no reason to lie so I figured I could pretty easily determine exactly what was up between her and Fate and hopefully determine her alignment based on her reactions to my questions in the QT. It would also lock her into a claim if she were scum (since, as town, she would have no reason not to share everything). If she claimed Mason, I had a couple choice quotes set aside to grill her with, quotes
that showed her inclination to share info with Fate in-thread rather than in their Mason chat.

I suppose there's no reason not to share what I'd planned to ask her. I had it pre-written so I could quickly post it from my phone over the weekend as soon as Day started. The **'d bit at the end would obviously be in my second post following her response.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:50 pm**

So, can someone explain to me why do we even have twilight in this game if there isn't a governor? The fact that there is a twilight-relevant ability around cannot be disputed.

I'm pretty sure that the mod did it so that ISO's fakeclaim wouldn't be ruined? Idk. maybe he's a joat scum with governor and vanillize, it doesnt' matter

what matters is he was CAUGHT fakeclaiming and it is me/LMD/Nuwen as a scum team vs. REAL scum caught: ISO, Spambolic, and very probably imopen

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:49 pm**

So, can someone explain to me why do we even have twilight in this game if there isn't a governor? The fact that there is a twilight-relevant ability around cannot be disputed.

Exactly. That's when I was able to Backup Khaddafi's JOAT.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:54 pm**

Stardust we know town is chock full of power, its very likely that the scum team is the usual: Godfather Kaze, Roleblocker Spambolic(you last night), Vanillizer ISO (me last night), and Goon Imopen.
I am pretty sure that Spambolic DID target me last night as he said, how could he have targeted Stardust 2.0 with a roleblock?

Because I didn't target Stardust. Fate is following Nuwen and swinging for the fences but missing badly. When I prove my role and their gambit flops - technically gambits since Fate softclaimed a cop result on Nuwen as well but
that was also a lie - then this game will be all but over.

My message tomorrow at the beginning of the day is going to read "I'm Backup in Woodcrest. Don't touch my booty!"

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:57 pm**

So, can someone explain to me why do we even have twilight in this game if there isn't a governor? The fact that there is a twilight-relevant ability around cannot be disputed.
I'm pretty sure that the mod did it so that ISO's fakeclaim wouldn't be ruined?

So now the mod is creating Twilight periods to benefit scum fakeclaims. Are you listening to yourself?

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:07 pm**

@spam: I just want to be clear. Did you vig kaze last night? I was a little confused about the whole thing with HM being shrouded. Did your shot fail and you got to retarget kaze? Or did something else kill him?

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:08 pm**

/barn Spam

"its literally me, LMD, and Nuwen with HYPER GAMBIT FULL FAKECLAIMT EAM mode"

^ Seems like an accurate representation of the state of the game, courtesy of Fate

So again, I ask:

Once I pardon my lynch, provided I am the lynch, can we go ahead and lynch LMD? Thanks.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:09 pm**

@spam: I just want to be clear. Did you vig kaze last night? I was a little confused about the whole thing with HM being shrouded. Did your shot fail and you got to retarget kaze? Or did something else kill him?

My shot is expired according to Dan. I have no idea what happened with Kaze.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:10 pm**

Anyone who believes the clearly-established voting bloc of LMD/Nuwen/Fate is being bamboozled.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:13 pm**

Once I pardon my lynch, provided I am the lynch, can we go ahead and lynch LMD? Thanks.

Today we're lynching Nuwen. It's clear LMD and Fate are circling the wagons around her since they take their cues from what she's been saying.

thats fine, still want to finish massclaim and break this game open
You are currently scumposting too by
proceeding with massclaim when it's not needed to lynch scum prior to the next nightphase.

Here Nuwen is trying to rush to night as quickly as possible for the scum regroup.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:16 pm**

also Im pretty sure he can't self-govern AND BE A VANILLIZER

I was vanillized last night

ISO was tracked to me

1+1

LYNCH PLS
What does this mean? How do you know you we're "vanilliazed" (I assume this means role blocked?)

Also if Fate was RBed and/or vanillized, how did LMD see him target Rezombad?

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:19 pm**

The last page might as well be a scum QT where each realizes he's fucked in turn. Slow motion train wreck.

What are you talking about? You've gone from spouting walls of mafia theory on day 1 to:

AND THEN MY POST WAS NINJA'D BY IMOPEN VOTING FOR ME LOOOOOL

Following the person posting in all caps off a cliff is a bad idea.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:20 pm**

jesus people. vanillized= TURNED INTO A VANILLA TOWNIE

which happens at THE END BECAUSE IT HAS TO RESOLVE.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:21 pm**

Do you and Nuwen post in all caps in your scumchat or just here?

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:26 pm**

Once I pardon my lynch, provided I am the lynch, can we go ahead and lynch LMD? Thanks.
Today we're lynching Nuwen. It's clear LMD and Fate are circling the wagons around her since they take their cues from what she's been saying.

thats fine, still want to finish massclaim and break this game open
You are currently scumposting too by proceeding with massclaim when it's not needed to lynch scum prior to the next nightphase.
Here Nuwen is trying to rush to night as quickly as possible for the scum regroup.

And Nuwen is the lynch imo because

1. It tells me whether you (spam) are scum or town
And
2. It also tells me whether LMD is scum or town.

A scum Nuwen means we go after LMD
A town Nuwen means we go after spam

The only way this wouldn't work is the minute chance that nuwen decided to falsely accuse spam but correctly mark LMD as town in case he got lynched but since that doesn't seem likely I think it would be safe to lynch LMD if nuwen flips scum.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:28 pm**

Is that the best you've got?

if you seriously are going to delude the town that the entire Scumteam went all in on TWO separate fake guilties you need to do better than attack posting style

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:32 pm**

Is that the best you've got?

if you seriously are going to delude the town that the entire Scumteam went all in on TWO separate fake guilties you need to do better than attack posting style

Everything you've posted has been debunked. You were first a softclaimed cop then a redirector who botched his claim. You are trying to mislynch at least one town player who can confirm his ability. And since you've been pushing for Iso's lynch as well, I'm inclined to think he's also town.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:39 pm**

jesus people. vanillized= TURNED INTO A VANILLA TOWNIE

which happens at THE END BECAUSE IT HAS TO RESOLVE.

Oh? You know dan's order of action resolution, do you?

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:50 pm**

I soft laimed cop to draw the kill which l thsn tried to red irect

l drew your vanillize instead and you killed the MILLER who thought me and nuwen were town. care to explain how that makes sense in your fantasy world?

A.d yea I know his resolutiln because when he pmd me saying i was now vanilla he confirmes my action happened

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:12 pm**

@fate-not voting her and already said she was probtown earlier

also you being scum wouldn't surprise me

you killed the MILLER who thought me and nuwen were town.

You are just tossing out anything now.

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:31 pm**

What happens if Nuwen is telling the truth but is an insane cop? I'd like to propose the following plan, since attempting to lynch Iso will only use up his ability and not really confirm alignment:

1. Lynch Lord McDondald's
2. If he flips Scum, whoever got Kaze takes care of Nuwen at night.
3. If he flips Town, ditto, but it's Iso's turn

We then work with the new info.

Vote Lord McDonald's

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:43 pm**

What happens if Nuwen is telling the truth but is an insane cop? I'd like to propose the following plan, since attempting to lynch Iso will only use up his ability and not really confirm alignment:

1. Lynch Lord McDondald's
2. If he flips Scum, whoever got Kaze takes care of Nuwen at night.
3. If he flips Town, ditto, but it's Iso's turn

We then work with the new info.

Vote Lord McDonald's

I see what you are proposing (basically my plan in reverse) but if you are thinking nuwen could be an insane cop then LMD's flip doesn't tell us much because he COULD be an insane cop..or he could be a regular cop...how does LMD's flip confirm this one way or the other? Is
insane cop always a scum role? I don't see any indication of that on mafiascum.

Also, your plan relies on a third party to clean up the mess. How do we know there isn't a serial killer who has no allegiance to us and will just kill whoever they think gives them the best chance to win?

Posted: **Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:44 pm**

Rereading my post I'm even more sure of my first point. Why would scum ever be a cop? Insane or not

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