The Boondocks Mafia (Town Win)

[Yannaria]

At this point I'm willing to

Unvote

Vote: End day phase

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ine_sXtZPjc
Votecount #4:
TomServo (1) - Iso
DroppinSuga (2) - rezombad, Kazekirimaru
Kazekirimaru (2) - GR, Scumbag
Iso (2) - Spambolic, TomServo
GR (2) - Fate, Nuwen
Scumbag (1) - Stardust
imopen2 (2) - Manders, Yanni

With 16 alive, it's 9 to lynch!

Please
let me know if I've missed anything.

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Prodding TomServo, replacing dee_tot2 (probably from Sally).

There will never be a jester in any of my games.[/b]

E: If anyone has a suggestion for on-site replacements (I've asked Guardman & Pendulum), please lmk.

Oh, uh, I guess vote proxying is fine. Wasn't really anticipating it.

DEAR SANTA, WHY IS YOUR BITCH ASS COUNTING ALL THESE VOTES?

So at this point I'm fine with lynching Suga, Kaze, or impoen2

[Second Harkius]

Neighbors, I’m down for the name claim!

DroppinSuga is purposely acting scummy. Not scummy enough to get lynched, but get perhaps get night targeted?

Where is the town mentality in saying this?

Me:"He’s a veteran so for him to show up and claim to not understand Kaze’s wagon felt disingenuous. In his first major post he didn’t even touch upon the 6-vote wagon at the time. He tried to ignore it, but when pressed, chose to then dismiss it. What do you make of that?"

Iso: If you were reading my response to Stardust instead of skimming my posts, you would know that I did,
in fact, comment on it.

Ahem, don't try that 'skimming my posts' discredit nonsense. In your first major post of the game, post #66, you did not touch upon the growing Kaze wagon. It wasn't until later, post #77, where you stepped up to defend him.

Because nobody explained it to me or answered my question about the wagon when I asked why it existed. I WANTED to understand the Kaze wagon, and I commented on what he said, but I obviously didn't think it warranted a vote (read: made him scum) or I would have voted for him. Where's the disconnect that you're seeing?

The disconnect is evident in my post pointing out that you assumed Kaze was getting voted by Manders due to "mudslinging" (post #66) only
to later say you "didn't understand his wagon" (post #77).

2 full games plus one that got abandoned end of a long Day 1.
In my opinion, the Iso wagon is weak at this point. It needs more before I'll be back on it.

@Stardust: How does Iso's play so far stack up against the other games you've played with him?

I don't think anything about G_R and imopen, but the DroppingSuga request for a nolynch at the end of day one doesn't sit well with me. Not that it automatically means he is scum, but usually you always lynch someone otherwise it sets you back as town so...

On a more positive note this day one is picking up, glad
we're done quickly with the RVS

You don’t think anything about imopen2 and G_R, both of whom have had a fair bit to say? Then you end with a filler comment about the RVS being done. What do you make of the current gamestate?

Why the question mark?

Because I don't know what will be accomplished by claiming names.

Why would you agree to something if you don't know what it will accomplish?

Rezombad, please answer my
above question.

7. Nuwen Good scumhunting, but seems to jump into putting the pressure on several people. The tendency to commandeer the hunt for scum has minor scum vibes, but otherwise leaning town, almost strongly.

I don't like this at all. You say she's town but also kick dirt her way.

unvote
vote Colonel Khaddafi

He's the only one I saw with such.

Or at least the only one I saw with ones I didn't understand.

Why the hasty
"or at least" post?

Mmhmm. Why didn't you mention Scumbag's lack of scumhunting when you answered the first time?

Ding ding ding!



I'm not liking Khaddafi, Iso, or Kaze. I'd still serve them food at a neighborhood cookout since I'm a nice guy but I sure wouldn't be happy about it!

[Kazekirimaru]

I feel like reads lists are the least scumhunting a person can possibly do and I hate it when people do mainly that. It always gives me a feeling that they're just doing that to give the illusion of towniness and scumhunting.

But where as Gaea's Regent has done some scumhunting outside of reads lists, Scumbag has not. He's doing the minimum. I don't like it. Plus I don't understand his reads to begin with. That's why I'm questioning him specifically.

Might I venture that what bothers you is that I stayed on course with voting you as scum?

If it weren't for you I'd totes
vote to lynch Suga though.

I knew you'd say that. And fuck if I didn't realize that after I typed that out.

Say what you want but you apparently can't refute my argument.

Again, the vote to end the day phase was because of the different way the game is played here. I mistakenly thought the game was played with a more night phase focus ala HCRealms and not so much of a detective feel.

I proxied my vote to Nuwen because, at the time, I felt like we were on the same page. I missed her post about GR and I'm not feeling as if maybe GR, imopen and Kaze are scumbuddies.

In fact:

vote Kaze

I should have left my vote there the whole time. There's just no possible way the guy is town. None.

Oh, look, people pressure you about your proxy sheeping and you stop sheeping Nuwen. Go
figure.

Neighbors, I’m down for the name claim!

DroppinSuga is purposely acting scummy. Not scummy enough to get lynched, but get perhaps get night targeted?

Where is the town mentality in saying this?

Derp. I don't want a townie getting killed by targeting him at night or something.

Or at least the only one I saw with
ones I didn't understand.

Why the hasty "or at least" post?

Why are you only quoting part of my post?

[imopen2]

He's the only one I saw with such.

Or at least the only one I saw with ones I didn't understand.

Why did you not ask G_R the same question? In his list, he marks you as scum with no further explanation. So you understand that?

[Second Harkius]

Or at least the only one I saw with ones I didn't understand.

Why the hasty "or at least" post?

Why are you only quoting part of my post?

To signify I was referring to the post that began with "or at least" (#311), not the post right above it (#310). Now please answer my question.

[Kazekirimaru]

He's the only one I saw with such.

Or at least the only one I saw with ones I didn't understand.

Why did you not ask G_R the same question? In his list, he marks you as scum with no further explanation. So you understand that?

Of course. I was still the main wagon at that
point. It wasn't surprising.

Or at least the only one I saw with ones I didn't understand.

Why the hasty "or at least" post?

Why are you only quoting part of my post?

To signify I was referring to the post that began with "or at least" (#311), not the post right above it (#310). Now
please answer my question.

I added some extra clarification since I'm getting rather tired of repeating myself/having to clarify things in later posts.

[Manders]

Ahem, don't try that 'skimming my posts' discredit nonsense. In your first major post of the game, post #66, you did not touch upon the growing Kaze wagon. It wasn't until later, post #77, where you stepped up to defend him.

Yes, he did. He mentioned it. He answered my question. Just because you don't like his play doesn't mean you can ignore facts.

The disconnect is evident in my post pointing out that you assumed Kaze was getting voted by Manders due to "mudslinging" (post #66) only to later say you "didn't understand his wagon" (post #77).

But apparently you're not ignoring it all the time. The more I read you, the more it seems like you're just throwing shit around to see
what will stick.

7. Nuwen Good scumhunting, but seems to jump into putting the pressure on several people. The tendency to commandeer the hunt for scum has minor scum vibes, but otherwise leaning town, almost strongly.

I don't like this at all. You say she's town but also kick dirt her way.

unvote
vote Colonel Khaddafi

What made you decide to drop your Iso wagon?

He's the only one I saw
with such.

Or at least the only one I saw with ones I didn't understand.

Why did you not ask G_R the same question? In his list, he marks you as scum with no further explanation. So you understand that?

Of course. I was still the main wagon at that point. It wasn't surprising.

Or at least the only one I saw with ones I didn't understand.

Why the hasty "or at least" post?

Why are you only quoting part of my post?

To signify I was referring to the post that began with "or at least" (#311), not the post right above it (#310). Now please answer my question.

I added some extra clarification since I'm getting rather tired of repeating myself/having to clarify things in later posts.

Regarding the bolded, I have to agree with him.

Spam and imopen2, both of you just rehashed a discussion that was already had, IN FULL, by Stardust and Kaze. Why did you ask the exact same things? Why did you make him repeat
himself, unnecessarily?


Name Claim Responses:

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I'm fine with a name claim.

Sure?

I'm fine with a name claim.

Sentiment shared.

I don't see what it would accomplish, but I'm not opposed.

[*]A name claim is spurious. I expect every quality setup to provide scum with reasonable safe/fake-claims, so early reveals only serve to give scum an idea of which powers to nightkill via flavor. See my point about signal:noise horseshit.

As for the name-claim: I'm perfectly fine with this since I've basically already done it. I'm not sure if we will catch any scum from it but I don't agree that it will hurt us either..

I'm actually pretty fine with one too for the first time in a while.

I'm cool with a name claim, might even change my avvy to my character after we do that.

Neighbors, I’m down for the name claim!

9 people have responded. 8 are for. (Well, 9 if you count me, which you should.) I just realized Nuwen's response doesn't say yes or no, though I have to assume he's saying "no" because he called them spurious. That's 50% for. The following people need to say for or against in their next post
dee_
tot2 (obv have to wait for his replacement)
DroppinSuga
Fate
Lord_McDonalds
Tom Servo
Col. Khaddafi

3 more "For" votes, and it's a go. I think we should go popcorn style, with Spam starting, since he's already pretty much claimed with his roleplaying.

[Col. Khaddafi]

On my comment about being wary of Nuwen commandeering operations, I'd point out people to the Agata Christie's novel 10 Little Niggers. Judge Wargrave came to mind.

This said how is my comment any different that Manders claiming that Nuwen shouldn't just assumed she is confirmed town?

Before I answer on the name claim, I want someone to state why is this useful? Because I must have missed the rationale for name claiming.

[Second Harkius]

Ahem, don't try that 'skimming my posts' discredit nonsense. In your first major post of the game, post #66, you did not touch upon the growing Kaze wagon. It wasn't until later, post #77, where you stepped up to defend him.

Yes, he did. He mentioned it. He answered my question. Just because you don't like his play doesn't mean you can ignore facts.

The disconnect is evident in my post pointing out that you assumed Kaze was getting voted by Manders due to "mudslinging" (post #66) only to later say you "didn't understand his wagon" (post #77).

But apparently you're not ignoring it all the time. The more I read you, the more it seems like you're just throwing shit around to see what will stick.

Ahem…ahem….AHEM….ignoring facts? Iso answered your question in post #66 with a question. The fact is that he didn't comment on the validity of the wagon until post #77. Please reread the two posts of mine you quoted above: "he did not touch upon the growing Kaze wagon" and "[he] assumed Kaze was getting voted by Manders due to mudslinging". There is a huge difference between commenting on one person's vote and a discussion of the validity of a wagon. Iso did not do the latter in his first major post.

Manders, what do you make of Iso’s play so far? Does he always draw this much attention to himself?

What made you decide to drop your Iso wagon?

I'm not going to tunnel him all day at the expense of pressuring other scummy
players, and sadly people want to leave him for later. But this "day 1 experienced player" pass is nonsense! Utter malarkey! I'll make a thread about it once the game is done to see what other people think.

Spam and imopen2, both of you just rehashed a discussion that was already had, IN FULL, by Stardust and Kaze. Why did you ask the exact same things? Why did you make him repeat himself, unnecessarily?

I wanted to know why the hasty clarification was needed. My question was very different than Stardust's.

Stardust's questions:

Give me reasons for the naked "towns" and "scums" please
and thank you.

Why are you asking this of Scumbag in particular?

How do you feel about this post? Any comments on what GR is saying there?

Mmhmm. Why didn't you mention Scumbag's lack of scumhunting when you answered the first time?

My question:

Why the hasty "or at least" post?

Can you see why there'
s a big difference, Manders?

This said how is my comment any different that Manders claiming that Nuwen shouldn't just assumed she is confirmed town?

Your comment is different than Manders' because out of your entire town / scum list, Nuwen is the player you both say is town but also kick dirt at. Manders didn't kick dirt at Nuwen, only pointed out that nobody is confirmed at town at this stage of the game.

[Iso]

Lord McD's! Are you reading the thread? What's happening right now?

Fate! I actually really do want to get more content from you. Sounds like you're a good player. Maybe you can prove it? Still some unanswered questions from way back that I'd appreciate answers to as well.


I would most like to lynch imopen2 or Col. Khaddafi at the moment. ( G_R ) I'm currently seeing as a coin flip. If you want my support on that wagon, you're going to have to help me out.

Someone's not jumping on the Suga wagon?

*faints*[/quote:
epjspfid]

Scum reaction.

@dan: I believe I am voting for Suga.

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@Spam:

"Ahem, don't try that 'skimming my posts' discredit nonsense. In your first major post of the game, post #66, you did not touch upon the growing Kaze wagon. It wasn't until later, post #77, where you stepped up to defend him."

Ahem, read my fucking posts, thanks. I answered this already, WHICH YOU WOULD KNOW IF YOU WERE READING MY POSTS.




"The disconnect is evident in my post pointing out that you assumed Kaze was getting voted by Manders due to "mudslinging" (post #66) only to later say you "didn't understand his wagon" (post #77)."

I don't see how that's a disconnect. I ASKED why the Kaze wagon existed. (You admit that I do with
this very response! "Didn't acknowledge it," my ass!) I listed the two possible reasons why Kaze might have been seen as scum - reasons I did not agree made him scum, and reasons that were not clarified upon my asking. If I don't that the posts someone is claiming make someone scum make them scum, then how does that show understanding of the wagon, or even a disconnect?


"@Stardust: How does Iso's play so far stack up against the other games you've played with him?"

Can't be meta'd etc.


"Manders, what do you make of Iso’s play so far? Does he always draw this much attention to himself?"

Can't be meta'd etc.


"I'm not going to tunnel him all day at the expense of pressuring other scummy players, and sadly people want to leave him for later. But this "day 1 experienced player" pass is nonsense! Utter malarkey! I'll make a thread about it once the game is done to see what other people think."

This reads so fake.

[Iso]

*If I don't think

[imopen2]

Spam and imopen2, both of you just rehashed a discussion that was already had, IN FULL, by Stardust and Kaze. Why did you ask the exact same things? Why did you make him repeat himself, unnecessarily?

This is just wrong. Stardust did indeed point out G_R's post, but he did not press the same issue that I did and Kaze had definitely not addressed it yet on his own.

Kaze wanted Col. to explain his naked reads. Stardust asked why he didn't make G_R do the same thing. Kaze gave an answer about how G_R has done more scumhunting than Col. (True), and that he didn't understand Col.'s reads. This prompted me to ask how he could "understand" G_R's read on him as naked scum, if he is really town. It seems weird to allow
someone to declare you are scum just because you think they are town...

[DroppinSuga]

I'm for a name claim.

[Kazekirimaru]

Before I answer on the name claim, I want someone to state why is this useful? Because I must have missed the rationale for name claiming.

It gives scum less fakeclaim wiggle-room later.

[Manders]

Before I answer on the name claim, I want someone to state why is this useful? Because I must have missed the rationale for name claiming.

I don't see how you could have missed the rationale. I provided it when I proposed the name claim. Others have provided it in response to others asking. Granted, I don't see how anyone else missed it either, but those others are at least showing other signs of paying attention to the game. You seem to be floating through. Even your t/s list isn't very in-depth. I get the feeling you ARE just floating through, which is a definite scum tell. Scum don't have to find evidence, they just have to get by. I'm fairly certain you are scum, too.

Ahem, don't try that 'skimming my posts' discredit nonsense. In your first major post of the game, post #66, you did not touch upon the growing Kaze wagon. It wasn't until later, post #77, where you stepped up to defend him.

Yes, he did. He mentioned it. He answered my question. Just because you don't like his play doesn't mean you can ignore facts.

The disconnect is evident in my post pointing out that you assumed Kaze was getting voted by Manders due to "mudslinging" (post #66) only to later say you "didn't understand his wagon" (post #77).

But apparently you're not ignoring it all the time. The more I read you, the more
it seems like you're just throwing shit around to see what will stick.

Ahem…ahem….AHEM….ignoring facts? Iso answered your question in post #66 with a question. The fact is that he didn't comment on the validity of the wagon until post #77. Please reread the two posts of mine you quoted above: "he did not touch upon the growing Kaze wagon" and "[he] assumed Kaze was getting voted by Manders due to mudslinging". There is a huge difference between commenting on one person's vote and a discussion of the validity of a wagon. Iso did not do the latter in his first major post.

Yes, he did. He answered the question I asked. That it was with another question is irrelevant. You are grasping at straws with this attack.

Manders, what do you make of Iso’s play so far? Does he always draw this much attention to himself?

Every time.

I'm not going to tunnel him all day at the
expense of pressuring other scummy players, and sadly people want to leave him for later. But this "day 1 experienced player" pass is nonsense! Utter malarkey! I'll make a thread about it once the game is done to see what other people think.

I don't see anyone who agrees with your case, so the bolded is just not the case. I do, and would if I felt he was scum, but I do not at this time. This could change in later Days with more evidence gathered, of course.

Spam and imopen2, both of you just rehashed a discussion that was already had, IN FULL, by Stardust and Kaze. Why did you ask the exact same things? Why did you make him repeat himself, unnecessarily?

I wanted to know why the hasty clarification was needed. My question was very different than Stardust's.

Stardust's questions:

Give me reasons for the naked "towns" and "scums" please and thank you.

Why are you asking this of Scumbag in particular?

How do you feel about this post? Any comments on what GR is saying there?

Mmhmm. Why didn't you mention Scumbag's lack of scumhunting when you answered the first time? [/
quote]


My question:

Why the hasty "or at least" post?

Can you see why there's a big difference, Manders?

He never answered your question, then. I saw nothing regarding a "hasty post" from him. Are you not wanting an answer to it?

[Yannaria]

oh no more people not answering questions.

[imopen2]

Manders, are you going to respond to me, or just spambolic?

[Link]

droppinsuga is town we've already established this.


Name claims sounds like a COMPLETE waste of towns time

[( G_R )]

I'll keep that in mind if I'm ever scum in a future game. Proxy my vote to a fellow scumbuddy and I'm established town.

What I'm saying is that nothing is established as far as I'm concerned.

[Link]

Not surprised you're interested in how to be better at scum given your role this game.

Its fairly obvious that G_R is scum people

[Nuwen]

Seriously, scum seek to downplay the towntells that people commit.

"Nothing is certain."
"No one is confirmed town."
"Never trust anyone."

Do you guys know how divide and conquer works? ONLY SCUM have a clear motivation to attack other players' town reads, because town reads narrow down the possible lynch pool quite a bit.

"Well now anyone can do X and be read as town." This is horseshit. Are you playing to shape site meta or are you playing this game? I am talking about X right here, right now, in context. Insisting X is an unclear indicator of town because it can affect future play is poor logic or scum-motivated smear.

[Kazekirimaru]

He never answered your question, then. I saw nothing regarding a "hasty post" from him. Are you not wanting an answer to it?

Are you daft? I answered his question in post 326. You even quoted and bolded my response.

[( G_R )]

Well then I guess I suck at logic. Sorry guys, we're not lynching GR today either. And I'm also sorry to let you know that I don't trust your judgement nor reputation from elsewhere, because you (both) seem to be tunneling on me, and I happen to know that I'm not scum.

[( G_R )]

BTW, I'm not saying it is an unclear indicator of town "because it can affect future play". I'm saying that I don' buy that it is an indicator of town at all.

[Iso]

droppinsuga is town we've already established this.

no

[Yannaria]

Not surprised you're interested in how to be better at scum given your role this game.

Its fairly obvious that G_R is scum people

[Yannaria]

Seriously, scum seek to downplay the towntells that people commit.

"Nothing is certain."
"No one is confirmed town."
"Never trust anyone."

Do you guys know how divide and conquer works? ONLY SCUM have a clear motivation to attack other players' town reads, because town reads narrow down the possible lynch pool quite a bit.

"Well now anyone can do X and be read as town." This is horseshit. Are you playing to shape site meta or are you playing this game? I am talking about X right here, right now, in context. Insisting X is an unclear indicator of town because it can affect future play is poor logic or scum-motivated smear.

WAY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS NUWEN. KEEP IT UP. IT'S JUST MAKING YOU LOOK SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
MUCH MORE TOWN.

[Stardust]

You're so cute when you tunnel me, Stardust. <3

Cute?! Cute is the cheerleaders sittin' on the sidelines. I ain't cute.

But who's tunneling? I thought you were scum, then I didn't, then you started acting scummy again. Handwave noted, however.

@Stardust: How does Iso's play so far stack up against the other games you've played with him?

It's been a while, but it seems like Iso to me. I've never played or followed an Iso scum game and I'm not interested in using meta to clear someone as town anyway. Iso least of all.

You asked
about drawing attention later on. That's Iso, all the time.

On my comment about being wary of Nuwen commandeering operations, I'd point out people to the Agata Christie's novel 10 Little Niggers. Judge Wargrave came to mind.

Explain what you mean by this.

This reads so fake.

You've been happy enough to respond to Spammy's questions with "read my posts" up until now (justifiably), but only now do you kick a bit of dirt back his way. I don't like that this immediately follows Manders' comment that Spammy might be trying to get shit to stick.
Opportunism noted.



In other news, I would like to leave GR until tomorrow. Kaze should be the lynch today.

Unvote, Vote Kazekirimaru.

[Col. Khaddafi]

@ Stardust: I mean, just as Manders pointed out, that just because someone is doing an active job at scumhunting, it doesn't mean squat as pertaining to be confirmed town. The closest you can get at confirmed town is through the analysis of the past votes, or through a confirmed power role.

[spoiler="don't click this if you want to read the Agatha Christie Novel, its an excellent read, and this will spoil you the ending]

Don't do it bro!

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In the Agatha Christie novel, Judge Wargraves leads the hunt for the perpetrator of the murders on the island, while at the same time whacking the people one by one

[/spoiler]

[Iso]

@Stardust: You realize I'm voting for Spam, right?

[Stardust]

Uh, no. You're not. You reaffirmed your vote of Suga on this very page...

I actually really hate that you don't realise that now. Not only have you never voted for Spam, you've never even hinted that he might be scum until your most recent dirt kick.

[Stardust]

Like, I really want to believe that makes you town. That you're so wrapped up in your reads that you don't even bother communicating them or something. Surely you can't be scum if you don't even remember the scheme you're currently working on!

Only problem is, this is so blatantly stupid that it's reminding me of Seppel purposely miscounting the votes to make himself appear more townie. I don't like it.

[DroppinSuga]

I think I'd like to hear from Lord_Mcdonalds as well. He's been pretty quiet. That doesn't sit too well with me.

[Mcdonalds]

/unvote, Vote DroppinSuga

In light of mander's response, a name claim seems fine

@Manders (I realized I never actually did answer your question from page 1/2): I did mention I was an idiot right, that aside, I wanted to hear from you why you were voting Kaze, I get there are several people that are new, but I wanted to hear (in your words) why your were voting for him.

@Stardust, Yes I'm reading the game (For better or worse, I lurk quite a bit)

Town/Scum Reads (people not included I don't have an opinion on and/or reading their posts again)
- I'm not convinced Kaze is scum (nor that he's town, but that's not really the question), having been in a situation like that before (will pull up if asked, otherwise too lazy to find it) I can understand being incredibly baffled by having 6 people voting for you when you've made less than 6 posts (including RVS/Joke posts).
- DroppingSuga
is scum, He has posted more than I yet his posts still have the same amount of content as mine, also the proxy vote seems off, course it may just be I've never seen that in the games I've read on MTGS
- Imopen2, which of his posts mentioned a mafia day chat, there was one (I saw posts referencing it) yet I can't find it, that aside, I'm fairly certain this guy is a stoner (as he says he is), not sure whether that's him trying to make excuses for his posts or he is actually high while posting.

(I like how the timing of my post makes is look like an OMGUS..btw what does that stand for, "OH MY GOD U SUCK"?)

[Iso]

I mixed up Spam and Suga, sorry, Dusty.

Anyway, it had nothing to do with what Manders said - the fact that he went on as much as he did with the whole "malarkey" spiel did not read genuine to me, so I pointed it out. Why is that scummy?

[Iso]

(And yes, LMD, OMGUS means "Oh My God, yoU Suck!".)

[Stardust]

A sudden shift for a minor reason following a change in someone else's opinion. That's something worth noting.

Damn, those votes are all over. I'm going to re-read.

Unvote

Yo GR! How's that reread coming?

[( G_R )]

Slowly. I haven't had the chance to browse here on a computer long enough for a full reread . My phone is only good for keeping track of the current conversation.

[Stardust]

We should end the Day, or at least get things moving in that direction. Everyone either get on the Kaze wagon or say why you'd rather not.

[DroppinSuga]

I'd like to reiteriate:

vote: Kaze