Heading forward.

[Alex]

So today we had a lengthy discussion in chat about the direction the site should go and the demographic that we wanted to capture and whether or not Starcity was the devil. We also talked about dicks a fair length. (...hehe.)


Someone mentioned that back in the day, MTGS garnered a lot of its early traffic by being an outlet for new spoilers. That got me to thinking today, there is an ample opportunity ahead of us to do the same.

With the recent C&D at Cockatrice, I'm sure we're all aware that Dragon's Maze is going to need to be downloaded remotely, and the Cockatrice staff is backing away from the entire project slowly, so there's no chance of it coming from there.

People will be looking for an updated .xml file with Dragon Maze's full spoilers, and I think we should jump on the opportunity. It wouldn't even be a gigantic project to take on - creating cards in Cockatrice is very simple -
but I suppose my question is more along the lines of "do you guys think it's worth our time to even do so?"

[Pendulum]

I think I speak fairly objectively when I say that any attempt to get readers in will be appreciated. Personally I'm not a fan of Cockatrice, but this sounds pretty neat.

[( G_R )]

Maybe I'm getting it wrong, but what is the purpose of those once (if) 'trice is shut down?

[Sir Sapphire the 3rd]

Maybe I'm getting it wrong, but what is the purpose of those once (if) 'trice is shut down?

People will find ways to edit the code and let it run off self made servers or Virtual networks.

[Thrillho]

I'm not opposed to the idea, but before we bite at that as an option (since that heads into a legally dubious area), we should also entertain courting Wizards for spoilers during spoiler season as a traffic driver. Also just a thought, but one we should consider before burning that as a bridge.

[( G_R )]

I'm not opposed to the idea, but before we bite at that as an option (since that heads into a legally dubious area), we should also entertain courting Wizards for spoilers during spoiler season as a traffic driver. Also just a thought, but one we should consider before burning that as a bridge.

My thoughts exactly.

[Sir Sapphire the 3rd]

I feel any Legal borderlined issues really should be avoided. Cause once marked we will always be marked.

[Kaitscralt]

I am currently working on a rather sexy email to WOTC about getting an official spoiler.

[Sir Sapphire the 3rd]

Irony. Gavin replies.

[Tom Servo]

I am currently working on a rather sexy email to WOTC about getting an official spoiler.

Fingers crossed for a gutter skulk reprint.

[Alex]

Is it really such a gray area? I made a thread about this on MTGS and got a lot of varying feedback about the whole ordeal, but I think the general consensus was more or less "There is nothing illegal going on here, it's simply a large company trying to strongarm an individual into not using free-to-use information that they release."

[Pendulum]

No, there is nothing illegal with using software released in the wild to make mock-ups of spoiled cards.

[Tom Servo]

Maybe there could be a hidden cock forum compromise?

[( G_R )]

It doesn't need to be illegal to make WotC uncomfortable with it (and us by that statement). It seems to me that it is a good idea to be in good terms with the company that makes the hobby this site is supposed to be about.

[Alex]

It doesn't need to be illegal to make WotC uncomfortable with it (and us by that statement). It seems to me that it is a good idea to be in good terms with the company that makes the hobby this site is supposed to be about.

They still hand out spoilers to MTGS and they're still actively supporting Cockatrice, I don't see how this is an arguing point.

[( G_R )]

It doesn't need to be illegal to make WotC uncomfortable with it (and us by that statement). It seems to me that it is a good idea to be in good terms with the company that makes the hobby this site is supposed to be about.

They still hand out spoilers to MTGS

They don't? Did I miss anything?

[Alex]

It doesn't need to be illegal to make WotC uncomfortable with it (and us by that statement). It seems to me that it is a good idea to be in good terms with the company that makes the hobby this site is supposed to be about.

They still hand out spoilers to MTGS

They don't? Did I miss anything?

They had a couple as recently as Avacyn Restored, and given their history you would think Wizards would want nothing to do with them.

Edit: Nevermind for some reason I thought they were the ones that spoiled the ones that Manadeprived did. There are too many damned websites.

[Thrillho]

Link?

[Pendulum]

We could just ask Wizards if it would hurt our standing with them.

[Kaitscralt]

It doesn't need to be illegal to make WotC uncomfortable with it (and us by that statement). It seems to me that it is a good idea to be in good terms with the company that makes the hobby this site is supposed to be about.

They still hand out spoilers to MTGS

They don't? Did I miss anything?

They had a couple as recently as Avacyn Restored, and given their history you would think Wizards would want nothing to do with them.

Edit: Nevermind for some reason I thought they were the ones that spoiled the ones that Manadeprived did. There are too many damned websites.

[Alex]

Regardless, it wouldn't do any harm to ask. Making an .xml file is useful for other stuff too, like RSS readers and things.

[Kaitscralt]

Maverick recently made a similar formal request to Wizards to use the stuff for a free deck program he is working on, and they told him to fuck off.

[Dane]

Speaking of spoilers...I was just about to make a compilation thread to bring together all the stuff in one spot, as well as having the daily threads.

Is that cool for me to do, or am I overstepping a bit?

[Kaitscralt]

You do whatever you want, we in admin can edit your thread if we think something about it needs fixing. Thanks for the help.

[Thrillho]

we're community driven, so if you think we need a unifying spoiler thread, we can always adjust things later if it secretly contains a virus or is actually just goatse.

[Dane]

(Note to self: Use Lemonparty and Meatspin instead of Goatse.)

[Kaitscralt]

Dane, maybe instead of making yourself work hard to resize all of the images you find here and there you could just take them from the spoiler gallery on wizards website, they should be all perfect size there. Just a thought.

[Dane]

It's a good idea. I'll modify it later tonight...probably after the spoilers hit tonight. Right now I'm (supposed to be) working on a term paper.

[FaheyUSMC]

So today we had a lengthy discussion in chat about the direction the site should go and the demographic that we wanted to capture and whether or not Starcity was the devil. We also talked about dicks a fair length. (...hehe.)


Someone mentioned that back in the day, MTGS garnered a lot of its early traffic by being an outlet for new spoilers. That got me to thinking today, there is an ample opportunity ahead of us to do the same.

With the recent C&D at Cockatrice, I'm sure we're all aware that Dragon's Maze is going to need to be downloaded remotely, and the Cockatrice staff is backing away from the entire project slowly, so there's no chance of it coming from there.

People will be looking for an updated .xml file with Dragon Maze's full spoilers, and I
think we should jump on the opportunity. It wouldn't even be a gigantic project to take on - creating cards in Cockatrice is very simple - but I suppose my question is more along the lines of "do you guys think it's worth our time to even do so?"

I'm gonna' be "that guy" and point out that with the C&D to Cockatrice, any attempt to "update" the program with future sets can and will be seen as a violation of the order itself, and can get them in a lot of trouble. It will also lead to legal problems for this forum for advocating this.

[Captain Murphy]

It may not be illegal but WOTC won't like cockatrice support. What would we all prefer, having a cockatrice server or spoilers and a good relationship with WOTC? I vote spoilers.

[Thrillho]

Second on spoilers. As a guy with front row seats during the R_E debacle, I don't want to have to deal with that again.