WePick Mafia 2.0 - DAY 2 (Abandoned)

[( G_R )]

QR_BBPOST ( G_R ) - His interactions are strictly Stardust-based up to now, and he seems to have disappeared lately.

Work and stuff. I'm here.

QR_BBPOST Stardust - Very silly start.

Inorite? Before that all we had was RSV and some non-things too look at.

QR_BBPOST MoJo - for the moment I refuse to believe that scum would be given a double voting role.

For the moment? How about a third faction, would they be given double votes?

QR_BBPOST RedNihilist - Hi, handsome.

[Stardust]

Why?

[Stardust]

New pages are haaard...

Stardust is standing out to me at this point

Why?

[Stardust]

I should have time to devote to this tomorrow. Have no fear, have no fear, said the cat.

[Manders]

The double vote clears him, as I do not believe scum would end up with a double vote even in this role madness.

So...

He isn't scum. I doubt you are after our exchanges.

Stardust is standing out to me at this point

I misread your post and thought you voted him.

[RedNihilist]

How did I miss the point in post 21?

I'm not asking you to trust anything as fact. I'm not making a case on Tordeck or the person I've found to be scum IMO.

So, no, I don't think I will. Butt out and let Tordeck defend himself if he deems fit to do so.

Were you implying I was trying to defend him?
What's the point in *not* explaining your posts btw?

[Manders]

Yes.

Because I wasn't ready to explain them. Still not, still won't.

[Huntzilla]

I didn't know where we sat on the votecount, but Hunter voting for kpaca was meaningful since Hunter himself was under scrutiny. If Manders was correct that Hunter was scum, me making his vote more legitimate does give more information on other players. And, yes, kpaca can't be arsed to do much he doesn't want to do, but he does react to votes as much as the next guy, sometimes in an over-the-top angry kind of way.<snip>

The bolded. I asked you about it and I haven't seen a response. How was I under scrutiny when I voted Kpaca? How was under scrutiny at all, unless you are referencing Manders questioning, but then again that is hardly "scrutiny."

[Huntzilla]

New pages are haaard...

Stardust is standing out to me at this point

Why?

See above please...

[( G_R )]

I've reread the thread...

[( G_R )]

We need more Pedro.

[( G_R )]

I'm OK with a Huntz lynch.

[Manders]

GR I'd like reasons out of you.

[( G_R )]

His vote, his modgaming, and also that his explanations aren't convincing me. There's not much from the rest of the players, save for Stardust who I won't vote for D1.

I held my vote because I reread the post where he was saying he'd "kill" kpaca, but then I remembered that the first time that didn't triggered the same alarm because he was replying to your "who would you kill?" question, just not quoting it. So it wasn't really a slip. I'm not convinced of his towniness at all but I still need to see more before putting him on the scum column. However, I'd be fine with his lynch if it comes to that, being D1 and all.

[Huntzilla]

Ok, since I am new to you guys, and still learning when it comes to this mafia stuff, let me ask some better questions to the general population and see where it gets us.

If you could, in your next post, answer these questions so I can get to know you all:
1. When did you start playing mafia?
2. Where was your home site when you started?
3. Who do you feel is the best analyst in this game?
4. Who do you feel is the best scum player in the game, or who would you be afraid of as scum in this game?
5. Are you yourself better as town or scum?
6. What is your favorite alignment to roll?
7. What game was your best performance?

This should help get some discussion rolling, shed some light on some people's skills, and be generally fun.

My answers:
1. January this year.
2. MTGS, or Sally as Manders calls it.
3. Not knowing you folks puts me at a disadvantage, but I will guess Stardust is quite capable of a player from the fact that he miss a lot and has a good idea of each one of your metas, aside from maybe Tordeck and Myself.
4. Well, this might go to Kpaca for me, because I actually believe he would read exactly the same as either alignment, and I tend to see his posts as incredibly townie.... Aside from modvoting, that's just dumb.
5. Way better as town in my eyes. Problem is everybody wants me dead day one. Scum know I'm mislynch fodder and town usually hate my style. Please go ahead and read my games from MTGS if you'd like, you will see every day one I get run up. It's like clockwork. As scum I run into the problem Manders mentioned in her giant post where I suck at lying, and I just wanna hide scared.
6. Love rolling town, less pressure. Had a lot of fun as that Neutral SK in the game with Manders fiance. But still, town gets my nod.
7. My best performance probably was that Neutral game, Full Deck mafia. I ate a nightkill night one as a VT in Avant-garde Mafia, which I was quite proud of.

Alright. Everyone else's turns.
Manders you already answered some of this in your big post where I got my inspiration from. Feel free to skip those you are content you answered.

[rezombad]

Somethings fishy

[RedNihilist]

I hereby request this game's name to be changed in 'Random Poll Mafia'.

[( G_R )]

Ah the good old "you don't understand, I'm just a misunderstood newbie" argument. I did that on my first two games as scum, except I used a language barrier approach.

Vote Huntzilla

[( G_R )]

Let's take a look at your questions, I'll even answer some:

1. When did you start playing mafia?
About 3-4 years ago. Wow.

2. Where was your home site when you started?
Ugly Sally's mod lounge

3. Who do you feel is the best analyst in this game?
Looks like a poll for the best NK

4. Who do you feel is the best scum player in the game, or who would you be afraid of as scum in this game?
A poll for a mislynch.

5. Are you yourself better as town or scum?
Are you serious?

6. What is your favorite alignment to roll?
See above.

7. What game was your best performance?
Inter-clan game when The Gang was not banned yet. My last have wasn't so bad.

[( G_R )]

*last game

[Huntzilla]

You vote me for the questions yet you still answer them, albeit a little snarky?

Interesting

[Stardust]

You vote me for the questions yet you still answer them, albeit a little snarky?

Interesting

What do you make of that?

[( G_R )]

You vote me for the questions yet you still answer them, albeit a little snarky?

Interesting

Wrong. I voted you for your answers to your own questions, and also for the questions I didn't really answer. Your use of "interesting" in the post (implying something but not really saying anything) is... interesting.

[Huntzilla]

You vote me for the questions yet you still answer them, albeit a little snarky?

Interesting

What do you make of that?

Well his response changes it a bit, as he states he voted me for my answers... Not the questions.

But what I was thinking was why bother answering at all if you didn't like the idea. Of the questions are that bad, why put forth the effort to still even partially comply? Didn't make sense.

If I'm scum to him why listen to my requests at all?

[Huntzilla]

You vote me for the questions yet you still answer them, albeit a little snarky?

Interesting

Wrong. I voted you for your answers to your own questions, and also for the questions I didn't really answer. Your use of "interesting" in the post (implying something but not really saying anything) is... interesting.

You can't act that hypocritical without expecting to be called into question for it. So why was the interesting, interesting...?

[Stardust]

Because it's a good way of pointing out something "interesting" in the hopes that someone else will pick up on it. If they do, great, it looks like you contributed! If not, no harm done. Not like you said it was scummy, right?

tl;dr: It's waffling.

[( G_R )]

QR_BBPOST But what I was thinking was why bother answering at all if you didn't like the idea. Of the questions are that bad, why put forth the effort to still even partially comply? Didn't make sense.

Questions 1, 2 and 7 are legit meta questions. The rest are not.

QR_BBPOST You can't act that hypocritical without expecting to be called into question for it. So why was the interesting, interesting...?

Read the post where my vote is. Now one more time. Now read the post where I said why your use of interesting was interesting. Now one more time.

[Stardust]

1. rezombad
2. ( G_R )
3. Pedrobear
4. Stardust
5. Manders
6. MoJo
7. Huntzilla
8. Tordeck
9. RedNihilist
10. Ham


Hey Dechs. What's "the HOA"?

Pretty sure Manders is town from page 1.

Too early for claim. I support your decisions Manders.

Hey Hunter, you wrote "decisions" here instead of decision. Were you talking about more than her choice not to claim? What other Manders actions were you supporting?

So, a little modgaming for shits and gigs...

There is most likely 2 scum, 1 "other aligned" alignment, correct? I mean, why have the option for other alignments if he isn't going to choose them. We could do a claim of the alignment people sent to Dechs... Or we could claim the role as well.
What are people feeling? Any claims, no claims, wait a day before we get into bullshit lazy play...?
I'd be willing to go first.

We could also just claim whether we got the full role we submitted or not. Bound to be some of us who did.

You never got much of a response to your call for claims here, Hunter. What do you make of that? Why did you roll over as soon as Manders said no?

I would like Stardust to elaborate on how it is cool that I was put to L-2 so quickly and laughably.

Not like you were going to get lynched. A Page 1 L-2 wagon often leads to some great stuff. I didn't actually want you to claim, for the record. When I mentioned it I wasn't even thinking about you claiming. Though I guess I could have goofed off a little less, calling attention to the fact that you were at L-2 was both to make sure further votes would be held accountable and so that everyone would be aware and react accordingly (hopefully helping to get a read on where they stand).

I did actually miss PedroBear's vote though. That wasn't a lie. If I hadn't, I would have called attention to the L-2 immediately.


Manders' big post. Agree with your assessment of Tordeck and like the questions you asked Hunter and hammy.

Mtgs meta is claim happy right now, wanted to test waters and see where we stood.

Can you explain this? Are people on MTGS routinely claiming stuff Day 1?

Your flat out no statement killed any other reactions I might get because everyone follows you like a bunch of puppies around here.

What makes you say that?

I'd kill Kpaca now that I know it is him. That makes the mod vote that much more worse in my eyes.

Why is a mod vote worse coming from kpaca?


Just because there's crazy stuff in this game: Dechs, can you confirm that this votecount is correct? Specifically the (1) next to kpaca's total. Thanks. (The applies to later votecounts too)

As an aside (since weve run this setup before) no one would have gotten the full role+alignment they asked for.

No, they could have. Dechs is fine to take the role you picked then choose an alignment for you, even if that alignment is the same one you submitted. Says so right in the OP.

I almost never react to votes what are you on? I generally dont believe anyone can lynch me.

Wasn't it a vote on you that started your fight with Dechs in the planechase game?

Wouldnt it have been easier to get people to jump on kpaca(or anyone) with even the flimsiest of accusations?

I don't think so. I mean, yeah, I could have made the kpaca wagon more solid by giving reasons, but I wasn't looking to lynch kpaca. I find naked votes more effective in the early game because it leaves doubt whether or not I'm serious. For some reason certain people around here are terrified to fall into some elaborate trap I'm setting up (that usually doesn't exist). I also don't want to be held accountable for things I don't actually believe, but still want the freedom to weild my vote.

MoJo - for the moment I refuse to believe that scum would be given a double voting role.

For the record, double-voting independant (SK, for example) can be a thing.

Red, from the wording on your Huntzilla section in that same post it seems like you intended to come back to him. Have you got a read on him now?

I asked you about it and I haven't seen a response. How was I under scrutiny when I voted Kpaca? How was under scrutiny at all, unless you are referencing Manders questioning, but then again that is hardly "scrutiny."

Manders' case on you was as solid as anything, and her questions were spot on, so yeah, scrutiny. Regardless, back to the original question, how does any of that make me scum?

Answers to Hunter's questions

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1. When did you start playing mafia?
A few years ago. Can't remember without going back to MTGS to check. 2010? 2011?

2. Where was your home site when you started?
MTGS.

3. Who do you feel is the best analyst in this game?
Me. Probably Manders though. kpaca's good too.

4. Who do you feel is the best scum player in the game, or who would you be afraid of as scum in this game?
kpaca, I guess? Red is scary good at dodging my scumdar too.

5. Are you yourself better as town or scum?
About the same, but I prefer playing as town.

6. What is your favorite alignment to roll?
Serial Killer.

7. What game was your best performance?
It would be easier to list games I didn't play well. /ego

Somethings fishy

Oh yeah? What's that?

But what I was thinking was why bother answering at all if you didn't like the idea. Of the questions are that bad, why put forth the effort to still even partially comply? Didn't make sense.

If I'm scum to him why listen to my requests at all?

Did you read his responses? He was essentially pointing out why those questions make you scum.



That was long. Sorry for the duplication.

[Stardust]

Oh yeah.

Unvote, Vote Huntzilla.

[Stardust]

That was irresponsible. I forgot about the double vote.

Hunter, time for you to claim. Actually, delay that for a minute. Need to check something.

[Stardust]

Unvote.

[( G_R )]

QR_BBPOST Hey Dechs. What's "the HOA"?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hoa

[Dechs Kaison]

"The HOA" is just my last minute attempt at flavor. An HOA is a home owner's association.

[Stardust]

Thanks, Dechs. And the votecount question?

[Dechs Kaison]

I messed those up. They've been corrected.

[Dechs Kaison]

Votecount 1.3

Stardust (2): Tordeck, Ham
Manders (1): Pedrobear
Huntzilla (4): Manders, MoJo, MoJo, (G_R)

Not voting: rezombad, RedNihilist, Huntzilla, Stardust

Pretty sure that's right. With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

[Manders]

Claim in your next post Hunt.

[rezombad]

Im not going to try to crop down stardusts post because mobile. But ill do some analysis later.
For now, what's fishy is literally the post before i said that.

[Stardust]

Claim in your next post Hunt.

Oh yeah, do that. I checked what I needed to check and it checked out.

[Huntzilla]

Too early for claim. I support your decisions Manders.

Hey Hunter, you wrote "decisions" here instead of decision. Were you talking about more than her choice not to claim? What other Manders actions were you supporting?
You never got much of a response to your call for claims here, Hunter. What do you make of that? Why did you roll over as soon as Manders said no?
Can you explain this? Are people on MTGS routinely claiming stuff Day 1?
What makes you say that?
Why is a mod vote worse coming from kpaca?

Answers to Hunter's questions

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1. When did you start playing mafia?
A few years ago. Can't remember without going back to MTGS to check. 2010? 2011?

2. Where was your home site when you started?
MTGS.

3. Who do you feel is the best analyst in this game?
Me. Probably Manders though. kpaca's good too.

4. Who do you feel is the best scum player in the game, or who would you be afraid of as scum in this game?
kpaca, I guess? Red is scary good at dodging my scumdar too.

5. Are you yourself better as town or scum?
About the same, but I prefer playing as town.

6. What is your favorite alignment to roll?
Serial Killer.

7. What game was your best performance?
It would be easier to list games I didn't play well. /ego

But what I was thinking was why bother answering at all if you didn't like the idea. Of the questions are that bad, why put forth the effort to still even partially comply? Didn't make sense.

If I'm scum to him why listen to my requests at all?

Did you read his responses? He was essentially pointing out why those questions make you scum.

I have already answered the underlined questions. I am not repeating myself.
I was supporting Manders general questioning.
I already mentioned that Manders had killed any further reactions I might have garnered from the line of questioning.
But if I am scum why would you bother answering my scummy questions at all, instead of just stating the reasons why I am scum? It still makes little sense. Same goes for you at this point.

I asked for Town Paranoid Gun Owner

I received Town Paranoid Gun Owner.
The first night I am targeted I will kill all players that targeted me that night. I win when there are no threats to the town left alive, or nothing can prevent this.

A coordinated mass claim would allow for us to test sketchy claims out tonight against my ability. Those that wouldn't comply would be put in the PoE pool for scum. Hence the mass claim suggestion.

The meta questions and general play questions were an attempt to learn more about you guys. Some of the information could be applied to the game, some could simply be applied to perspectives.

I would love to hear some more information about ANYONE else in the game. Manders and I have been the topics of conversation, meanwhile you are letting people like Pedro lurk on through day one.

Unless you don't want to test out my claim or let me live, than get to hammering.