Rx Burn

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:00 am

Sure your not confusing the Burn thread with Boros, Beats, Battlestar Galactica? Flickerwisp isn't something a dedicated burn deck wants to be doing.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:01 pm

Don't post late at night, kids.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:59 pm

Who's the crazy one now, Val?

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:41 pm

My multitasking, multi-tab lifestyle finally got the best of me.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:55 pm

Ya blew it.

DixieFlatline · Postby **DixieFlatline** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:50 pm

I haven't been able to get in any more serious testing with the Nacatl burn list but I've gone 4-0 in two local tournaments with the this list.

[deck]Naya Nacatl Burn[/deck]

My store is a really competitive LGS so these are pretty tough tournaments. 30+ people usually play, many of them with some number of pro points so I'd like to think the results aren't totally meaningless but, of course, they probably are. I'm close to cutting Eidolon completely but I think I'm struggling with a non-rational attachment to them.

Whole · Postby **Whole** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:32 pm

Nice. I'm debating on swapping to Nactl Burn for the two modern tournaments on MTGO this weekend. I really like my smooth two color mana tho

Anyone been playing online and has a read on how aggressive the MTGO meta is?

edit: I think if I'd play Nacatl burn, I'd the two Eidolon you playing for 2 Lavamancers. I don't see the value in Eidolon as a 2 of. Seems awkward and out of place, and I don't think the card is that good (too inconsistent for me)

DixieFlatline · Postby **DixieFlatline** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:45 pm

I heard there was a guy that posts in this thread that plays a lot of burn online.

Purp · Postby **Purp** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:33 pm

UH OH JEB BACK ON THIS DTR GAME I SEEEE

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:15 am

Nice. I'm debating on swapping to Nactl Burn for the two modern tournaments on MTGO this weekend. I really like my smooth two color mana tho

Anyone been playing online and has a read on how aggressive the MTGO meta is?

edit: I think if I'd play Nacatl burn, I'd the two Eidolon you playing for 2 Lavamancers. I don't see the value in Eidolon as a 2 of. Seems awkward and out of place, and I don't think the card is that good (too inconsistent for me)

Depends on the format, I think you'll find that most DE and Large events will be JUST like what is shown on MTGOGOLDFISH while the SE are filled with random combo and aggro.

I qualified for MOCS7 btw I went 5-1 losing against Grixis Tempo with its spellkiting and dragon claw funzies, I misboarded and kept a silly hand so its on me though (he went 6-0 in the end).

I played Robots once (G5), follow by URx for every other game.

P.S. I should mention that the only other 6-0 was from a burn list running Wild Nacatl and Eidolon of the Great Revel

Gah!!

I'm really tanking on the choice of running 4x Wild Nacatl or not... they'll drastically improve our early game while also increasing our horrible top-decks. They're also bad vs Jund (goyf and 10000x removals say hello) and Company.decks.

Whole · Postby **Whole** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:59 pm

I think I'll just stick with my GP Charlotte list except -1 Palm for +1 Searing Blood. It's just been working out so smoothly for me and I love the edge I get vs other aggro decks (especially the mirror)

Whole · Postby **Whole** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:18 am

he thought he locked me out with that attack

Also real talk. Would you guys keep or mulligan this hand (on the play, g1): Arid Mesa, Grim Lavamancer, Lava Spike, Rift Bolt, EotGR, Boros Charm, Searing Blaze

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:29 am

I think playing Burn prices you into keeping hands like that in game one.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:30 am

It's not the worst if you miss your land drops for a couple of turns either. Fetch, cast Lavaman. Spike or suspend Rift Bolt and attack, then you have food for Lavaman next turn.

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:30 am

Whole the finals will be on 2morrow (Australian time) how did you go with your 2x chances for the Championship Qualifiers (CQ)?

Whole · Postby **Whole** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:57 am

I'll be participating in the MOCS tomorrow

I actually spoke too soon in the clan thread. I posted right after I lost my last 8 man, but managed to beg myself towards the final two QPs I needed so I ended with 35 QPs right before the server went down lol.

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:15 am

NICE!!

We just need to dodge Amulet, Ad Nauseam, GriselShoal, Merfolk and Boggles then we'll be sweet (I think if we win the first 4-5 games, Jund and Grxis decks should deal with the annoying ones for us).

P.S. I know that sound like we need to dodge a lot but they only make up a very very small part of the metagame.
P.S.S. It starts at 12.00 AM'ish on Sunday for me and if I recall its like 12+ games if you get into top8 (which is 12+ hours) so I expect misplays as the night drags on

Whole · Postby **Whole** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:44 am

I look forward to the challenge

Starts at 9 AM Saturday for me so it is like a normal tournament from my perspective. Anyone I'm going to bed. GL in the MOCS!!

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:49 pm

Gah~ I blew it

Currently 4-3 so I'm out of top8 I had a shot in two of the games which I lost but I got sloppy for the last one and I wasn't aggressive enough for the 2nd (thou this one was more of a hindsight loss).

Whole · Postby **Whole** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:01 pm

same. I'm out too but I got Modern festival tomorrow!

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:53 pm

After tilting over my MOCS performance (sorry Whole for exposing you to that, two of my loses were very preventable which irked me) and resting up, here is my revised list:

[deck=MDU's Naya Burn]Lands 20
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Sacred Foundry
2 Stomping Ground
2 Mountain
1 Keldon Megaliths

Creatures 13
4 Goblin Guide
4 Monastery Swiftspear
3 Grim Lavamancer

Direct Burn 12
4 Lava Spike
4 Boros Charm
4 Atarka's Command

Flexible Burn 17
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
4 Searing Blaze
4 Rift Bolt
1 Shard Volley

Sideboard 15
1 Rending Volley
2 Skullcrack
2 Path to Exile
3 Kor Firewalker
3 Deflecting Palm
4 Destructive Revelry[/deck]

Whole · Postby **Whole** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:45 pm

11 creatures*

The Modern Festival is 10 rounds FML. I'm a lil' hungover too. Oh well, Burn isn't known for its difficulty

Whole · Postby **Whole** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:18 pm

I'm on the play. What do I play turn 2? Double Swiftspear or Eidolon? I know what Guide reveals & what they do turn 1 changes the play, but in general, what do you do?

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:56 pm

Two Swiftspear easily.

GoblinWarchief · Postby **GoblinWarchief** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:34 am

I think you are well positioned anyway with this hand, i would go with two swiftspear so you avoid taking tons of damage from eidolon.
If opponent has a potential blue mana source untapped always go with spears to play around spell snare

Pedrobear · Postby **Pedrobear** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:11 pm

Thanks again Whole, I just leeched your deck with few changes.

[deck]RW Burn[/deck]

This is what I'm playing currently in my small meta Saturday tournaments. (10players)

I'm missing 4 Fetches because I don't want to invest when they just could reprinted in a really near future.

I really appreciate the fact that Green mana is not needed to play maindeck spells and you do not have to take 6 damages to fetch both colors to play all your spell against unknown decks.
Then when you side, you know you'll want exactly and this works for the specific matchups you're siding in WW or G requirements.

I'm at the point where I can outplay any opponent in my meta, even tough match-ups like Merfolk. Would need to enlist for some bigger events and see what I'd change to the deck.

There is also this fringe "Rack" deck which I keep losing against because I never see Revelry from my side and once he started his engine I can't do anything... Do you have any advice against this ?

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:23 pm

Rack should be very favorable I play once ever full-moon so I'm guessing you've just been really unlucky.

Sometime Smallpox can just wreck us if we don't draw enough lands but beside that just playing the game normally should get you the win since we're faster then Racks.

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Here are my Magic Online Championship Qualifier 7 Games:

G1 Magic Online Championship Qualifier 7 - Grixis Twin vs Burn Modern 8439632
G2 Magic Online Championship Qualifier 7 - Grixis Tempo vs Burn Modern 8439632
G3 Magic Online Championship Qualifier 7 - UR Twin vs Burn Modern 8439632
G4 Magic Online Championship Qualifier 7 - Grixis Tempo vs Burn Modern 8439632
G5 Magic Online Championship Qualifier 7 - Robots vs Burn Modern 8439632
G6 Magic Online Championship Qualifier 7 - UR Storm vs Burn Modern 8439632

In regards with the finals I ended up going 5-4, I would have posted those videos as well but I reacted rather poorly and ended up rage deleting them (those games started at 12:10 AM on a Monday, each game going for an hour) I had a shot at top8 but I threw away two games and I had some nasty matchups as well since I played against Amulet Bloom, Bogles and GriselShoal.

Anyhow 16 creatures Wild Nacatl burn had two top8 placings showing that:

T1: Creature
T2: 2x Creatures or Eidolon of the Great Revel

Put Burn well ahead against many of the top tier decks (though it makes it worst against aggressive and midrange'ish decks) - I recommend it if your know your metagame is light on aggro and midrange.

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:04 am

[card]Day's Undoing[/card] in Modern Burn, yay or nay?

Pedrobear · Postby **Pedrobear** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:20 am

Ending your turn 3 doing nothing and give your opponent a fresh hand ?

Could be good against fair decks and might screw combo trying to assemble their pieces. I'm not sold on it.

It also stretching our mana base to a fourth color as we all recognize that only Naya Burn is viable right now.

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:40 am

I've been playing 5c burn in 8-Mans online with success so its more then good enough for FNM, local PTQ or if you know the meta is NOT filled with Aggro. I think RWU could works as well since Green is mainly used for the Enchantment/Artifact Hate which white can also do.

End also isn't a T3 play since its meant to be used after you depleted your hand. I imagine that if End resolves after a depleted hand your almost always going to win (drawing 7 cards in burn at that point should be GG).

Purp · Postby **Purp** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:18 pm

Playing in a pptq next Saturday, finally bought guides. Is the green splash worth it? Should I play nacatl? Or just play rw to combat an aggro heavy/groxis meta

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:27 pm

Watching others play Nacatl, I have not been impressed at all.

I've always been on RW splashing green for Revelry in the board.

magicdownunder · Postby **magicdownunder** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:49 am

The Nacatl list are great vs all the Tempo decks since T1 Creature with T2 2x Creature or Eidolon of the Great Revel is pretty darn strong.

If your against a mixed bag I would recommend the RW splashing green for Revelry in the board.

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Jumped into a Modern SE, I must see Modern feels rather refreshing after grinding Standard for weeks.

Purp · Postby **Purp** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:45 am

Sanctimony vs Kor Firewalker?

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:01 am

The one that doesn't die to Destructive Revelry and triggers off your red spells.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:02 am

Was your pptq last weekend or this weekend?

Purp · Postby **Purp** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:18 am

It's this upcoming weekend. I don't think sanctimony dieing to des rev matters in the mirror, why would they side it in.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:19 am

If they see it game two and it goes to a third game, siding in Revelry is totally reasonable since it also hits Eidolon (though you may be siding those out if you're on the draw).

I have a PPTQ this Saturday. I'm leaning toward Grixis Control but Burn is my fallback. This is where I'm at with that list (underdeveloped because I've been focusing on Grixis).

[deck]
4 monastery swiftspear
4 goblin guide
2 grim lavamancer
4 eidolon of the great revel

4 lightning bolt
4 lava spike
4 rift bolt
4 boros charm
4 searing blaze
4 skullcrack
2 flame javelin

11 fetches
2 sacred foundry
1 stomping ground
6 mountain

1 grim lavamancer
4 destructive revelry
2 pyrite spellbomb
3 searing blood
2 deflecting palm
3 kor firewalker
[/deck]

Purp · Postby **Purp** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:40 am

Start with the main...

Why not 12 fetches, and 1 more sacred foundry?
Why 4 skullcrack, but zero lightning helix?
Flame Javelin over Shard Volley? (isnt firecraft better

)

Purp · Postby **Purp** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:55 am

ex: 3 skullcrack, 2 lightning helix, 1 shard voley.

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