Boros, Beats, Battlestar Galactica

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:33 pm

I shaved down to one. The Resto Angels are usually enough, he's a weak body on his own, and in this recent build he's really only good with Defector and Kiki.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:41 pm

He's great if you're running Stoke the Flames, but Thalia makes that an impossible dream.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:07 pm

I just love drawing 4 off the defector.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:10 pm

[deck]Creatures:27
4 Humble Defector
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Wall of Omens
4 Deceiver Exarch
4 Village Bell-Ringer
4 Restoration Angel
3 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker

Spells:8
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Vapor Snag

Lands:25
4 Arid Mesa
1 Desolate Lighthouse
4 Flooded Strand
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Island
3 Mountain
1 Plains
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Steam Vents

Sideboard:15[/deck]

Murrica

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:18 pm

Just play Twin or Humble Twin at that point lol.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:19 pm

Nah, Twin is for nerds

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:10 am

That's a bit too far for my taste.

If Kiki fails, how are you killing your opponent? You can draw all the cards but Resto is your only real threat.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:39 am

Heh, I'm just trying to get LD all the draw 2s

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:05 am

Here's Mihara's Humble Twin: http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdata ... ckID=80758

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:00 am

Just made Bloom Titan my bitch. Thanks Thalia!

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:44 am

Interesting tidbit: Leyline of Sanctity shuts down Humble Defector.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:59 am

So I'm an idiot and didn't even think about using Flickerwisp to flicker the bouncelands.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:06 am

Mull to 6 all three games against Bloom Titan, forget to flicker bouncelands with Flickerwisp, win anyway.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:10 am

My record since v2.0:

2-0 vs Jund
2-0 vs Jund
2-0 vs Mardu aggro (not tier 1

)
2-0 vs Merfolk
2-0 vs Soul Sisters
2-0 vs Bloom Titan
2-0 vs Bloom Titan
2-1 vs Bloom Titan
2-1 vs WG Taxes feat. Wilt-Leaf Liege

Need to test vs Grixis, Twin, Burn, Tron, and Affinity before I can call the deck a success.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:12 pm

Another interesting interaction I didn't think about: if you male a copy of Humble Defector with Kiki and donate it, your opponent doesn't sac the copy EOT.

I had three Defectors and a Kiki on the field in one game against Bloom Titan facing lethal next turn. Hadn't seen Resto or Bell-ringer all game. Draw 8, fail to find any. Thanks Worth.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:33 pm

Indeed, flooding the board with Kikis is a fun pastime

Linvala, Keeper of Silence + Humble Defector = Troll City

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:41 pm

I've started playing Pithing Needle in the board alongside Runed Halo, since being able to reset them with Flickerwisp is excellent.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:34 pm

I'm not sure about Pithing Needle. What are you naming with it? It seems most relevant vs Griselshoal and Affinity but beyond that I don't see many matchups where I want the effect.

I'm trying to decide between running Relic of Progenitus or Rest in Peace in my board. I'd be boarding these in vs Griselshoal, Grixis, and Dredge, but against the other two I decks Finks is one of the better cards in the deck and it's a nonbo with Rest in Peace. It's also nice that Relic is 1cmc in a deck with not much else to do on turn one.

I'm pleased with the 60 now. At this point I'm trying to work on the sideboard. I'm wondering if staying RW is fine or if splashing for sideboard tech is worth it.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:45 pm

I used Pithing Needle to great effect against Tron yesterday, naming Expedition Map turn 1 to delay his land assembly, then blinking it with Flickerwisp and naming Oblivion Stone to protect my team while I attacked, then blinking it again to name Karn after I'd destroyed his O Stone.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:46 pm

I prefer Relic because it's cheaper and better in multiples.

BigMana · Postby **BigMana** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:56 pm

Totally want to try this, totally don't want to drop $40 on Angels D:

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:40 pm

Some things I have to consider when constructing the sideboard:

1) Do I need dedicated Burn hate beyond the Finks in the 75? Kor Firewalker is very narrow. I need to think of a board plan for this matchup. Defector definitely comes out here. Everything else is decent. Bring in fourth Finks and three other things. Normally I'd be on the Spellskite plan but if Burn players are impulsively boarding in Destructive Revelry in most of the time this plan is much less effective and may even be a liability.

2) I have yet to test against Tron, but I'd imagine this deck is hot garbage against it in game one even with Thalia maindeck. Stony Silence seems mandatory to address this matchup, and it is also great against Affinity (though this deck is actually pretty good against Affinity).

3) I agree with Ham's sentiment re: Relic vs RiP. I think Finks is instrumental in the Grixis matchup and I don't want to hose it with RiP despite how strong it is against them. I could just be wrong and RiP could be necessary despite the nonbo. I know how much it blew me out as a Grixis pilot so...

4) Stonecloaker may be too cute. It has great synergy with the rest of the deck but on an empty board it's a liability.

5) This deck is awesome against other midrange decks. It generates so much more value than these decks are used to dealing with. I'm not sure I need to dedicate much to address specific midrange decks beyond cards that have wide applicability.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:02 am

Found this: http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... in-modern/

Also, could Zealous Conscripts or Splinter Twin be used in our decks?

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:06 am

Zealous Conscripts is another infinite Kiki combo that plays well with Humble Defector

I think Twin is better left to the UR decks.

GoblinWarchief · Postby **GoblinWarchief** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:29 am

I tried a combo focused version of boros with 4 twin and 4 village bell ringer plus the usual cards (angels, walls, splicers, kiki). I don't know if the more midrange oriented approach with just kiki combo is better, but what i know is that two copies of heliod's pilgrim were all stars in my deck. Being able to fetch splinter twin, chained to the rocks plus random silver bullets from sideboard (wheel of sun and moon, angelic destiny) is very very good.
I was also running moons main deck so chains were a better choice than path.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:10 pm

I tried a combo focused version of boros with 4 twin and 4 village bell ringer plus the usual cards (angels, walls, splicers, kiki). I don't know if the more midrange oriented approach with just kiki combo is better, but what i know is that two copies of heliod's pilgrim were all stars in my deck. Being able to fetch splinter twin, chained to the rocks plus random silver bullets from sideboard (wheel of sun and moon, angelic destiny) is very very good.
I was also running moons main deck so chains were a better choice than path.

I toyed with the idea but the deck was clunky. Lots of 3cmc cards, Chains falling off due to increased number of Ghost Quarter in meta, bad against pure combo decks, etc.

GoblinWarchief · Postby **GoblinWarchief** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:35 am

Yeah, the issues you describe are real. I just think we have to keep in mind heliod's pilgrim as a card because she's good

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:42 am

2-1 vs Burn
2-1 vs CoCo Twin (http://www.starcitygames.com/article/31 ... -Twin.html)

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:57 am

Unfortunately I think Kor Firewalker may be a necessity in the board. The Burn matchup would have been very tough without it.

I don't think Rending Volley is necessary. Path is probably enough.

Two Wear / Tear is probably too many. Considering cutting one for Vandalblast. Can't think of many enchantments I want to get rid of besides Splinter Twin, but Path and Spellskite cover those bases well enough I think.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:02 am

[deck]
Creatures (25)
4 wall of omens
3 humble defector
3 thalia, guardian of thraben
4 flickerwisp
1 village bell-ringer
3 kitchen finks
4 restoration angel
3 kiki-jiki, mirror breaker

Spells (11)
3 forked bolt
4 lightning bolt
4 path to exile

Lands (24)
2 sunhome, fortress of the legion
2 ghost quarter
4 arid mesa
4 windswept heath
3 sacred foundry
4 clifftop retreat
4 plains
1 mountain

Sideboard (15)
2 relic of progenitus
1 vandalblast
2 celestial purge
1 wear / tear
1 spellskite
2 pyroclasm
3 kor firewalker
2 stony silence
1 eidolon of rhetoric
[/deck]

This is where I'm at currently.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:32 am

Why is no one playing Blade Splicer?

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:35 am

It used to be a staple, but Val sez we should be afraid of Kolaghan's Command blowouts.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:42 am

Here's what I've been playing lately

[deck]BBBSG[/deck]

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:01 am

Also, is blood moon not good anymore or something?

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:02 am

Shattering Spree > Vandal Blast, no?

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:05 am

I think Spree is the better card, but Val is running fewer red sources than me so perhaps it's a mana concession.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:11 am

Critique?

http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/85800

My favourite part of this deck is abusing Humble Defector, so I'm running more defector / ringer.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:09 am

Why is no one playing Blade Splicer?

Would rather play Kitchen Finks.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:37 am

Any advice on the list I posted? My meta is mainly jund / junk / burn.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:40 am

I think that meta needs less Forked Bolt in favor of extra value creatures. You'll be drawing a lot of cards with that deck but many of them will be too small to close out a game without Kiki.

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