Planechase Mafia - Game Over

[Mcdonalds]

Well scum aren't going to start posting if they've been lynched and are ghosts (the role is wasted on them actually)

[Mcdonalds]

Will ISO Rez and Red tonight/tomorrow

[Stardust]

So to clarify, that persons vote counts for 2?

That is correct (assuming they don't already have other vote-altering effects).

[rezombad]

Vote rezombad

A townie would never be so certain as to completely eliminate the possibility of having a mislynched townie stick around as a ghost.

Never say never

[rezombad]

Glad we got some discussion going though. I'll finish my write up on red here in just a few minutes.

[rezombad]

Lets be honest I would never come up with that plan as scum.

why is that?

Because as scum i make it a point to both not have original plans and also to lynch people who do.

I infamously lynched pale mage for using math to determine how many scum were left.

How is that thing called... self-awareness?

This post isn't bad I suppose, calls out kpaca's self-awareness. But I can't tell if he was trying to go somewhere with it, and doesn't follow up on it later.

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I remember you doing the same thing (got no time, school) in another game, mind remembering me which game it was?

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Do we have any way to verify this claim overnight?

scummy post.

The first part feigns a meta tell on tubehunter, saying that he is essentially suspiciously busy only when he is scum. But red won't go in and look at past games to try to find anything.

The second part is just role fishing as far as i can tell.

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end of day 1.

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I don't get it.
Explain us why you think it should have been "random".

What do you mean it should have been random? Do you have some inside knowledge I'm missing here?

If I was scum I would have given a high priority to her lynch, as she's pretty a good player.
Seeing her lynched doesn't surprise me at all.

You felt the need of telling us you were under the impression the kill was random though, why?

Starts out day 1 alright, making note of scumbags odd posts and does some follow up on his questions.

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Votecount, please.

Vote: Col. G

Asking for power roles to out themselves with results and speculating on why a townie was NK'd are both no-no's in my book

Sure, w/e.

Vote: Col. Khaddafi

Is this premeditate or what?

I followed up on this later, but what I understand is that he was seeing if imopen had doublevote powers.

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Vote scumbag
You're at L-2, come up with a T/S list please.

It bothers me that he put scumbag at l-2 and asked for a t/s list and not a claim.
I like imopens vote on this wagon, and red's to an extent (even though he seemed to be satisfied by scumbags response re: the random vote thing)

oh hey i asked him about it and he never responded

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Vote scumbag
You're at L-2, come up with a T/S list please.

Why not just ask for a list?
You trying to bury the lede here doesn't sit right with me.

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Seriously though, what would be the point of having Manders linked to a scum player?
Ham is confirmed town to me.

You guys need to stop modgaming.

Explain yourself.

the mod-gaming post, having said nothing about or toward ham up until this point. he declares him town because 'what would be the point of having a town and a scum as neighbors' and that is a bad reason to townclear someone which I read as having a scum mindset behind it.

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Unvote
Planeswalk

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biglongpost

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You guys need to stop modgaming.

Explain yourself.

Just because they're neighbors doesn't mean that he's town or scum and shouldn't be used as the sole reason for clearing him as town.

I want a t/s list from you, red.

And until I get one I'm going to:

vote rednihilist

As you wish.

Prob. town:
hamfactorial
imopen2

Grey area:
( G_R )
Col. Khaddafi
McDonalds
rezombad
rianalnn

Leaning scum:
WitchHunt
rcwraspy
BearHunter

Now, please explain me why do you care so much about the way I evaluate ham.
He's by far the towniest player in this game even if we ignore the whole bromance thing that seems to bother you so much, so I don't really get what your problem is.
Do you read him as scum?
Have you got some implicit statement?
Are you just trying to keep us from doing any kind of PoE?

Enlighten me, please.

Not a bad list, i like imopen2 being up there...

[rezombad]

unvote

I saw a couple things that popped out at me while I was going through red's posts, so i want to read someone else before i commit to this read.

[rezombad]

Will ISO Rez and Red tonight/tomorrow

how about you make the case against scumbag since you're all gung-ho about wanting to lynch him without putting anything forward

[rezombad]

pedrobear needs to post.

[hamfactorial]

vote rezombad

That PW away from Innistrad was a very anti-town move, even if you were certain that Red is scum. Rianalnn is a lurky lurker lately, so you can't even say that he was pressuring you to follow his original plan.

[rezombad]

I conject that you are mistaken and it was, in fact, pro-town.

[hamfactorial]

What was pro-town about it?

[Pedrobear]

Vote rezombad

That was a strange move and I have the feeling there's something else behind it, can you explain your decision ?

[Pedrobear]

(this was based on last page discussion, godamm new forum version. Let me some time to analyse current page)

[rcwraspy]

responding to prod.

I liked what Rez wrote up about Red, but want to see what made him unvote. I also don't like the PW away that Rez did, but I'll hold my vote until I get through my re-read. I'll try to be more active in the coming couple of days but I won't be able to be fully active until Monday.

[imopen2]

God damnit. That planeswalk was just stupid. Now I'm not sure who to vote and I'm leaving in 2 hours...I'm very tempted to just Unvote and let you guys figure it out, but I don't want this to end in a no lynch because of my absence. I guess I'll just leave my vote on red and you guys can lynch Rez if he keeps fucking up

[Stardust]

You are currently on Mercadia.

Votecount

Col. Khaddafi (3): rianalnn, Mcdonalds, RedNihilist
RedNihilist (1): imopen2
rezombad (3): ( G_R ), hamfactorial, PedroBear

Not voting: rcwraspy, Col. Khaddafi, WitchHunt, rezombad

With 11 alive plus the effect of Mercadia, it's 7 to lynch.


Deadline in 4 days. Deadline Clock.

[rcwraspy]

At this point I think it makes sense to keep up the pressure on Rez after that PW.

vote rezombad

Rez, did you think we were still doing the Ria plan of every person walking?

[rezombad]

I explained myself.

Its interesting that you said that you were going to do a reread before voting, and then voted without reading.

[rezombad]

Vote rezombad

That was a strange move and I have the feeling there's something else behind it, can you explain your decision ?

Opportunity cost.
Go ahead and read some more of the game and tell me someyhing new.

[Col. Khaddafi]

At this point I think it makes sense to keep up the pressure on Rez after that PW.

vote rezombad

Rez, did you think we were still doing the Ria plan of every person walking?

we decided to abandon ria's "erveryone plsnrdwalks" plan? when?

[hamfactorial]

There was no consensus regarding resuming/abandoning ria's plan. I asked if we could stay on Innistrad because of its highly pro-town nature to some mild agreement.

[Col. Khaddafi]

some people were okay with this but that's it.

So, it isn't worth to continue gathering new info? revisiting Serra's realm? Getting back fallen comrades?

[Pedrobear]

Vote rezombad

That was a strange move and I have the feeling there's something else behind it, can you explain your decision ?

Opportunity cost.
Go ahead and read some more of the game and tell me someyhing new.

I now understand your decision, I just mean that your move should have been discussed before moving forward.

I actually like ria's plan, let's see how many PW (with some spare move in case of emergency) do we have left. I can't PW for the day unfortunately.

[hamfactorial]

The current plane isn't doing much for us, so I'll get us out of here.

Planeswalk

[WitchHunt]

I would've been fine with Innistrad. I feel like we already have a pretty reasonable foundation at the moment, I think Ria's plan doesn't need to really keep going. Knowledge about the other planes is solid, but it's not as essential at this point. In regards to the Planeswalk, I can understand Rezombad not wanting the scum to keep talking to their scum mate, but I feel like they' wouldn't have been able to make a very large impact in the game any longer as a ghost.

Since we're already off Innistrad however, how about we stick with it? Who still has their PW available?

Pedit: Guess Ham beat me to the punch.

[Stardust]

Planeswalk

Nothing happens.

[hamfactorial]

Sorry guys, I forgot that I'd already PWed today.

[( G_R )]

lol

BTW, this is the second time rezmo behaves "unorthodoxly" with his planeswalking.

[Col. Khaddafi]

OK lets get things moving, we really are stalled. What do you guys think of clearing that neighbor scenario?

1) So Bromance implies: Neighbor is either Elspeth or Koth, given the lore. Since we are talking about Bro, I'm assuming Koth
Now, second fact each one can attest, the game has not switched pw alignments. This means that each of our planeswalker mtg lore is aligned with the T/S setup of this game (I know mine is, and dead people ones have been up to now).

So by this metric if ham is friends with Venser (Either Elspeth or more likely Koth) then it means he is town.

2) Then comes the meeric of thinking: Okay, lovers can only be of the same alignment or not? That falls in that modgaming scenario that rez discussed, so this I am a little more uncertain about given my limited experience at these games. My intuition tells me that a Town-Scum lover relationship is unlikely, unless there is some very specific scenario. a town-neutral one could work I guess, but the town-town scenario is them more favorable one.

So taking into account 1) and applying Occam's Razor and stuff, that is why I consider ham to be almost certainly confirmed as town, with just a tiny possibility of being Neutral (unlikely since Elspeth and Koth both hate Bolas).

So, can we hear about this more and get this out of the way so we can narrow down our scum pool?

[hamfactorial]

Scumbag:

I agree with that conclusion. I'm definitely either Koth or Elspeth, and I was in a neighbor chat with Manders.

We weren't lovers, though. That's a different role.

I was suspicious of Manders when she replaced in for DK and announced herself in our QT. She was talking about us being masons, which we weren't.

[Col. Khaddafi]

Also deadline is tomorrow, so we might as well get active, that we don't end up lynching a random

[Stardust]

You are currently on Mercadia.

Votecount

Col. Khaddafi (3): rianalnn, Mcdonalds, RedNihilist
RedNihilist (1): imopen2
rezombad (4): ( G_R ), hamfactorial, PedroBear, rcwraspy

Not voting: Col. Khaddafi, WitchHunt, rezombad

With 11 alive plus the effect of Mercadia, it's 7 to lynch.


Deadline in a bit over 27 hours. Deadline Clock.

Reminder that this is a hard deadline; any votes, unvotes or ability uses made after the deadline will not be taken into account, even if I haven't announced it. If deadline hits before a lynch is achieved, no lynch will occur.

Looking for a replacement for rianalnn. If you're reading and are interested in filling in, please send me a PM.

[rezombad]

lol

BTW, this is the second time rezmo behaves "unorthodoxly" with his planeswalking.

go on.

[rezombad]

I now understand your decision, I just mean that your move should have been discussed before moving forward.

Then why are you voting for me if you don't think I'm scum?

[rezombad]

vote ( G_R )

here's his iso link: search.php?t=3256&sf=msgonly&author=(%20G_R%20)

[( G_R )]

Allow me to plain-sight lurk:

[Col. Khaddafi]

Yeah, GR hasn't made much in this game, McDonalds was even worse when I came up with my T/S list, but since then he has done a little, GR not so much.

vote GR

Care to make a decent T/S list GR?

[Mcdonalds]

Allow me to plain-sight lurk:

Duuuude

[( G_R )]

Here's what I've got so far:

1. Mcdonalds: leaning town
2. hamfactorial: Town
3. imopen2: null
4. RedNihilist: null
5. rezombad:scum
6. rcwraspy:leaning scum
7. PedroBear (replacing TubeHunter) Pedro more null than TH
8. rianalnn: leaning town
9. Col. Khaddafi: Col. Khaddafi
10. ( G_R ): Hi
11. WitchHunt: leaning scum