Planechase Mafia - Game Over

[rianalnn]

Nvm i didnt see i was replaced. Thats ok. I bid you all adieu.

[rcwraspy]

@ham/imopen, who do you think is scum?

I don't know. Both TH and Jamie voted me for weak reasons, but I can't assign strong scum motivation to them on D1. There's so little to work with.

Between the two, Jamie seems more scummy. It's a very weak read, though.

I think Ria was town.

The rest of the field is null.

You said you were going to re-read TubeHunter after my PBPA. What were your thoughts?

[Stardust]

Nvm i didnt see i was replaced. Thats ok. I bid you all adieu.

Since Pedrobear hadn't picked up his role PM yet, I've reversed this replacement. Go ahead and play, kp. Please let me know if you're going to be gone in the future.

[hamfactorial]

@ham/imopen, who do you think is scum?

I don't know. Both TH and Jamie voted me for weak reasons, but I can't assign strong scum motivation to them on D1. There's so little to work with.

Between the two, Jamie seems more scummy. It's a very weak read, though.

I think Ria was town.

The rest of the field is null.

You said you were going to re-read TubeHunter after my PBPA. What were your thoughts?

His posting history seems very non-committal. In the first half of his posts, he asks a lot of questions (to nobody in particular).

In the second half, he voted for me, then responded to your case, and now we're caught up.

I'm uncertain which alignment to assign him based on that behavior. He's either unsure town or scum trying to blend in with activity that looks like participation.

[rianalnn]

Tubehunter seems like a good guy to vote. Want to figure out what plane were on and what were doing before i just say that concretely tho.

[Col. Khaddafi]

hey fellow walkers, I'm back, but I see not much has been happening, typical day 1 stuff.

Town/scum list please.

Input coming tomorrow.

That's easy

Town: Ria - He came up with a plan to help town get info, and I don't believe that Bolas stuff was any gambit.

Everyone else: Null

You think that plan was enough to convince you he's Town?

I mean, irrelevant now since replaced, but still...

I'm not really demanding when its Day 1 since the alternative usually resolves around grasping at straws.

[Manders]

hey fellow walkers, I'm back, but I see not much has been happening, typical day 1 stuff.

Town/scum list please.

Input coming tomorrow.

That's easy

Town: Ria - He came up with a plan to help town get info, and I don't believe that Bolas stuff was any gambit.

Everyone else: Null

You think that plan was enough to convince you he's Town?

I mean, irrelevant now since replaced, but still...

I'm not really demanding when its Day 1 since the alternative usually resolves around grasping at straws.

That's not gonna fly.

You said everyone else is null whereas kp is Town. Your reasoning doesn't make sense. Please make it do so.

[rianalnn]

@Scumbag: it flies just fine for me.

[Manders]

Tubehunter seems like a good guy to vote. Want to figure out what plane were on and what were doing before i just say that concretely tho.

Planeswalk

You are now on Alara, Naya. The player who planeswalked here gains an ability that is usable during the Day as long as you remain on Naya: Spellbreaker [target] – "Another target player cannot be targeted for the remainder of this Day and the following Night."

What we're doing = trying to find scum.

[rianalnn]

unvote: vote mandershex

[Col. Khaddafi]

That's not gonna fly.

You said everyone else is null whereas kp is Town. Your reasoning doesn't make sense. Please make it do so.

Sorry?

[Col. Khaddafi]

As an example: during day 2 we atleast have info on who voted for who. Day 1 not so, its a necessary evil I guess.

[Manders]

As an example: during day 2 we atleast have info on who voted for who. Day 1 not so, its a necessary evil I guess.

Your reasoning does not make sense because coming up with that plan does not mean he is Town. I could easily see kpaca doing so as Scum. So for you to call him Town for doing so makes no sense to me.

[rianalnn]

Lets be honest I would never come up with that plan as scum.

[rcwraspy]

Lets be honest I would never come up with that plan as scum.

why is that?

[imopen2]

yeah, i don't think scum would hold the town's hand with a plan for neutralizing the planeswalk mechanic...unless they have an ability that is based on using up the town's ability to planeswalk...but that seems unlikely.

I think kpaca is town. It's my strongest read so far.

as for scum:
Manders has been bothering me, but I feel that may be her tone and not her substance.
Idk why everyone is voting Tubehunter but I'm willing to listen. Did I miss something?

General thoughts:
Ham seems more town than normal
Scumbag is null
RCW is probably town

Who else is in this game?

[imopen2]

Alive
1. Mcdonalds*
2. hamfactorial
3. imopen2*
4. RedNihilist
5. rezombad*
6. rcwraspy
7. TubeHunter*
8. Jamie
9. Manders (replacing Dechs Kaison)
10. rianalnn*
11. Col. Khaddafi*
12. ( G_R )
13. WitchHunt*

Ah, yes.

Dechs bothered me earlier...maybe that's what it is about Manders?
GR is null
Witchhunt is null
Rez is leaning town...or maybe I'm confusing him with RCW? I'll have to reread but I feel like I remember thinking "wow, I don't think Rez is scum for once"
Have Red and LMD posted? Maybe I missed those..

[RedNihilist]

Lets be honest I would never come up with that plan as scum.

LoL

[WitchHunt]

I would. Scum wants to figure out what the planes do just as much as town does. If we figure out what all planes do, scum would be at an advantage because of their scum/town knowledge. Does Kpaca's plan make him scum though? No, it's too early to tell.

[Manders]

Lets be honest I would never come up with that plan as scum.

I'm always honest.

And, yes, I can see you doing so and am confused as to how you can say you'd never do that. It's a null tell for you. There are SOME I'd make it a slight Town tell...but not you.

Even still, slight. Using it to decide anyone is Town is a terribad idea.

Scumbag.

Idk why everyone is voting Tubehunter but I'm willing to listen. Did I miss something?

rcwraspy made a decent attempt at explaining it. I've yet to make my case, which I will be doing asap. Since I was the one to start the campaign, I'll take that responsibility.

[rianalnn]

Welp, im def bot moving my vote after that post.

[rianalnn]

Lets be honest I would never come up with that plan as scum.

why is that?

Because as scum i make it a point to both not have original plans and also to lynch people who do.

I infamously lynched pale mage for using math to determine how many scum were left.

[Manders]

Lets be honest I would never come up with that plan as scum.

why is that?

Because as scum i make it a point to both not have original plans and also to lynch people who do.

I infamously lynched pale mage for using math to determine how many scum were left.

I don't recall this. What game was that?

[hamfactorial]

Vote TubeHunter but will switch if another better-attended wagon shows up. I don't want the day ending NL because I'm away from a keyboard.

I'm getting married on May 2, so I'll be V/LA until the following weekend.

[Stardust]

That's cool. Congratulations!

[hamfactorial]

Thanks Dusty, I'm looking forward to Kait accusing me of faking the whole thing

[Mcdonalds]

Congrats

[( G_R )]

You can't marry your hand.

[( G_R )]

By which I mean congrats.

[RedNihilist]

Gratz you scummy faker

[RedNihilist]

Lets be honest I would never come up with that plan as scum.

why is that?

Because as scum i make it a point to both not have original plans and also to lynch people who do.

I infamously lynched pale mage for using math to determine how many scum were left.

How is that thing called... self-awareness?

[rcwraspy]

Congrats ham!!!

[Stardust]

Votecount

Jamie (2): Col. Khaddafi, TubeHunter
rcwraspy (2): rezombad, Mcdonalds
rianalnn (1): WitchHunt
TubeHunter (4): Manders, rcwraspy, ( G_R ), hamfactorial
hamfactorial (1): Jamie
Manders (1): rianalnn

Not voting: imopen2, RedNihilist

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.


Deadline in 49 hours. Deadline Clock.

The deadline will not be extended since I don't want to wait for hammy's V/LA to resolve Night actions.

[imopen2]

Manders...where is that case?

[Manders]

Oh jeez 49 hours.

It's coming. I've got all the posts set aside. I just have to put work to them. I'll do it tonight.

[rcwraspy]

Manders...where is that case?

Why are you waiting for someone else to do the work?

[Manders]

Manders...where is that case?

Why are you waiting for someone else to do the work?

You're cute.

It's ok. I'm actually about done now. Give me a FEW more minutes.

And it's not so much a case as it is me asking him questions.

@ EVERYONE: PLEASE do not answer any questions for him. STFU and wait for him. If he doesn't respond...fucking vote his ass out the door because he's stalling.

[Manders]

So If I have this correct, we started at dominara, and then someone already planeswalked to where we are now (i.e.: Bolas's Realm)

Seeking clarification on something that can be easily researched.

I mean, I assume so. I don't know what would be the point of letting us all plains walk every single day if we couldn't come back to them.

Answering a question.

Im kinda with Imopen on this one. I do think we should hold off on the planeswalking until at least everyone has a chance to post once.

Jumping onto someone else's opinion.

Yeah, the anyonomous plane was terrible, so leaving that is a given. Im just saying I want to hear from everyone before whizzing around to other planes

On the other hand, Double voting counts? How does everyone feel about that?

Seeking opinions. He's yet to provide an original opinion, but it's still early. Let's tarry on.

One question I would like to ask is why did Jamie walk away from Bolas's meditation realm so fast?

Was the effect of that plain worthy of leaving super early?

Ok, a question! Well, in researching, Bolas' Meditation Realm was :

Bolas's Meditation Realm
While at Bolas's Meditation Realm, any player not voting at the end of the Day will be untargetable for that Night. Mafia members also – mmmpff!

I don't have much to say about this atm. I have 2 questions: 1) Did you ever get a response to this question? I could go back and look, but I won't. 2) What is your opinion of that plane's effect?

One question I would like to ask is why did Jamie walk away from Bolas's meditation realm so fast?

Was the effect of that plain worthy of leaving super early?

unvote
Vote tubehunter

I mean, At least provide some insight on why you vote the way you do. We're not in rvs anymore.

I'm fairly certain I asked you a while ago why you cared about this vote. I can't remember if you answered (though I guess making this post will tell me that). Regardless, I'd like to know why you think he voted you. You must have SOME idea. Don't go look and see what his answer to you was. Read it right here out of context and tell me what you think might have made him vote you.

Please.

So by hopping around, we chance ourself to a bad plane, but then we will play a relatively normal game for the rest of the day. Color me intrigued. I'll bite on this plan

If we go by we have:

WALKED
Jamie, wraspy, rin, imopen, LMD, Dechs, Zombad.

NOT
Me, Col, GR, Red, Ham, Witch.

I can volunteer myself for next plains walk if needed.

For suspecion, I can't say that i'm not suspisous of Ham. The way he is acting is scarly close to his past scum games. (imo) The fluff posts mostly, those one line throwaways that don't say anything, that is what makes me suspicious.

Vote: hamfactorial

Marked as the first time he said he CAN go along with the plan. Taken as seeking confirmation.

are we really going to do this?

Marked as the second time he sought confirmation.

So do we want to keep walking or what? I'll be the next volunteer, if we want to.

Third time

If no one is going to do anything, I'll do it.

Planeswalk

Finally, on the 4th post, he decided to planeswalk.

What, exactly, were you waiting on? I'm serious, this is a bit much. Are you so non-committal that you can't decide on your own to follow a plan that is OBVIOUSLY going to happen? Were you waiting for a personal invitation?

Yeah, the anyonomous plane was terrible, so leaving that is a given. Im just saying I want to hear from everyone before whizzing around to other planes

On the other hand, Double voting counts? How does everyone feel about that?

Had I been here, I would have asked you how you felt about it.

I'm here now...and asking now.

I don't feel biased one way or another. A plane where we can vote for two people is neither scum nor town imo. I was just asking around, becasue at that point, we really didn't have any discussion going.

So you thought a discussion about something that's null would help?

I mean, At least provide some insight on why you vote the way you do. We're not in rvs anymore.

Why do you care?

I don't particularly care, I just think that votes without substance don't add anything to the game, so I would've liked to see some reasoning.

As you can see since this is every post you've made in the game, this is the only time you asked for reasoning on a vote. So it's just a coincidence that the ONLY time you were concerned with a reasonless vote was when it was cast on you?

jesus, i fucked up that quote real bad.

Spam

@TubeHunter
How many games have you been in?

This will be my 5th i think?

5 games is more than enough for a lot of the scumtells I'm seeing to not be happening. Hold on, they're coming.

Yeah, quick check reveals this to be my 5th game. 2 towns, one scum, and one time i was a serial killer.

Null

Im going to unvote for right now, gotta think things over.

What, exactly, did you have to think over?

Am I going to have to show you guys why TubeHunter is scum? UGH!

That's not happening til the weekend at the earliest.

I mean, it wouldn't hurt your case to actually explain things lol.

Again, concerned with a case on you. You shouldn't care.

Vote Jamie


To be honest, I think you are scum.

There's a reason they say "TBH" is a classic scum tell. Because it is. I've seen it. I've done it. I've been caught by it. There's another CLASSIC linguistic scum tell, too, that I rely heavily on (and saw SOMEONE do it, though I can't remember who atm. I think Jamie.) and the reason I rely on them is because they're true! Mindset of a scum player is that everything you say is a lie, even if it's not, because you're entire life is a lie. Town mindset really has no need to say such things simply because they already know they're telling the truth and have no need to make others believe that.

Based on that, I believe this post to be classic bussing.

The only others posts are you responding to rcwraspy's post. I'm not going to quote it, but let's see if there's anything I want to mention...

"As town, we didnt have enough (in my opinon) information to implicate anyone, much less whiz around to a different plain."

I note that when you posted the original post, stating you're with imopen2 on not moving, we were on:

Ulgrotha: Players who die here will not have their role PM's revealed

and my predecessor had already planeswalked away from it.
Possible you had a reason for wanting to stay there and hadn't noticed he'd already planeswalked, but regardless, it's noted.

"not trying to antagonize you or anything, but fishing? What is the harm in asking public questions about mechanics that all memebers of the town have to share?"

The harm is that by asking everyone's opinions, you could inadvertently out PRs based on how they feel. Long shot, and I disagree that you were fishing, but it is possible.

"I mean, does it? I don't know if that was set in stone so much that it was abosulte. I just wanted to know, especially since we had already left."

Did Jamie ever answer you? If so, were you satisfied with what he said? Because you never mentioned this again.
Use quotes if possible.

"This was after Ria and several others already walked in a row. I even said that i was intruiged and wanted to go along with the Ria's plan."

So why didn't you? Why did you have to say you would 3 times before you finally did?

Yeah, that's it. Awaiting a response.

FYI my major complaint with him is he's RIGHT THERE...but he's not. In all the posts he's made, he hasn't done shit but lollygag around and seek approval. He's too concerned with how he looks. He's classic noob scum.

[Manders]

OOG: I'd quoted those yesterday (or the day before, can't remember) and PM'd them to Stardust in a message titled "Hold this for me, would ya? " He thought it was going to be GOD AWFUL PAINFUL to read.

I have to say...it's not!

[WitchHunt]

Jeeeeeesus Christ.

Let's see here. So the gist of it, Tubehunter is always super concerned when he gets voted, showed a ton of indecision towards the Planeswalking plan in the first place then just suddenly decided to go with it, has several classic scum tells from what I think I'm understanding here. Any response to Mander's posts there Tube? You asked some questions, never got an answer, but never really pushed for it again either. What's up with that?