[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[nme]

everyone thinks their favorite archtype requires more skill than others.

[Khaospawn]

Agreed. Everyone's a scrump

[Khaospawn]

[nme]

[rcwraspy]

We get it, Mav. Bujcaj4lyfe.

I'm not sure where you get that from anything I've posted.

Hrm, let's see...

It feels like some people believe they live in some Yi-gi-oh anime world where card games matter and players are celebrated like professional athletes.

I still don't really care. If you put that much stock in MTG, I don't care if you get cheated out of winnings or entry fees because I don't consider that to be a smart life choice... Just because some people who fooled themselves into thinking playing Magic could be a viable career... He may as well have cheated at a game of Monopoly for all I care.

I don't play games for monetary value

I wish the game was just playing the game, not playing the tournament.

Earned byes, splitting politics, paid perks...all of these things arent the game I want to play.

I still don't see how that supports your claim, unless you guys have started using "casual" to refer to anyone who isn't a professional grinder. I am very serious about playing game to win (and definitely nowhere near "budget"). I just also happen to think all of the non-game experiences with higher level magic is bullshit.

eh. I'm mostly just fucking with you and don't care. But even kitchen table players want to win when they play. You've been saying a lot of things that make me think you don't play in the competitive tournament scene. Which is fine. But it opens up the bujcaj joke.

[Nuwen]

The fuck is a bujcaj. I googled it and nothing above the fold.

Better phrasing for my wordy post: there's no incentive to make SCG want to run unsanctioned tournaments when they could run sanctioned ones instead. Figure out how to change that, other than with mouthwords, and I'll pitch in your camp.

Today sucks man. Two of the biggest onion marketplaces went down and I'm an attention spaz without THC in my blood stream. Productivity levels floating between NOPE and MEH.

Also my job be like

[Kaitscralt]

budg caj / buj caj = budget casual player

it's a DTR term

[Kaitscralt]

like scrumper and all the rest

don't forget lorf (lore fag), the worst type of player

we really need a dictionary

[Nuwen]

TY FOR EDU

[Kaitscralt]

your edit comes too late

[Kaitscralt]

Did you divorce that bum yet?

[Nuwen]

SPEAKING OF THAT R/B DECK

Underwhelming. Performed best against R/W & G/W aggro decks because it could explosively steal 2 games in a set, but seriously underperformed against Azban midrange.

Even in sets where I intentionally made minor* mistakes as the Azban deck, the R/B deck had a lot of trouble closing out games where they opened with any number of 4x cards (Carytid, Rhino, Courser). This might mean my entire SB needs to be transformational specifically for this matchup, but unsure what direction that'd be even after like ~30 games.

Prob going to stick that deck in the place where aborted dreams go

*minor == things you'd let slide in a casual game, like tapping the wrong mana & being unable to cast a spell on time, missing one or three lifegain triggers.

[Kaitscralt]

where do the dreams of aborted babies go?

[Nuwen]

[Jamie]

u gotta sk8

[Kaitscralt]

are you insinuating the first lady is an infant haunting dream demon / dreamon?

[Kaitscralt]

[hamfactorial]

White people love ______.

[Nuwen]

Tournament organization requires that a certain threshold of people be branded, corralled, and ready at a certain time. So how do you figure out which people are over/under that threshold? You see who's willing to pay for it.

The UX is shitty but the underlying motivation (running on schedule) is reasonable. The profiteering is obv shitty, but it's not surprising either. Individuals are very well-trained to throw money at problems or inconvenient situations; suggesting people roll dice or arm wrestle wouldn't work.

You could prototype a registration app with two types of client: terminal and personal device. The terminals automate registration, kiosk style, and ready the player slot for every step up to manual product distribution or deck reg. The personal device version includes a utility for individual pool or deck registration. Then pitch it and put their money in your pocket, and carry on making the world slightly less shitty in some other form.

But that's if you actually believe it's a thing worth changing vs. a thing worth talking about (or are you waiting for SOMEONE ELSE to fix it?).

[Nuwen]

Not trying to be a bummer, just trying to engage you because you're smart and think analytically. Everyone else here doesn't give a shit, so if you feel convicted about the problem it's up to you to figure out a way to fix it.

[rcwraspy]

bujcaj is a scralterm

[Thrillho]

How does making a tournament registration app solve Mavnath's problem of corporate ownership of their IP and decision to build rules that avoid gambling laws and reward past success at the upper middle tier of competitive play?

[Thrillho]

Don't smoke fake weed.

[Nuwen]

It's just a very small and specific example of the way you erode big policies as an individual contributor. Easier reg for peon players who aren't purchasing byes -> less pressure/demand for sleep-in registration, because the base package is a less shitty experience. VIP prices decrease (at glacial speed).

But what do I know. I've been drinking all week and alcohol makes me dumb as shit.

[Thrillho]

@windstrider, yeah you're right

@Thrillho, after that long I'd begin to question my existence

I let the people paying me argue while I wrote out card names of block legal Jeskai cards that perform at or better than the cards in Standard Jeskai before realizing there is no replacement for Lightning Strike or Stoke the Flames and that they just printed "big illness in the ranks."
This accounted for 5 minutes of the meeting.

[LP, of the Fires]

Charging for sleep in specials is highway robbery, I'll admit that. I always just suck it up and wait around cause fuck giving you money for bs.

[Self Medicated]

All I got from this conversation was:

"Smoke weed errday."

I might be under the influence.

[Thrillho]

It's just a very small and specific example of the way you erode big policies as an individual contributor. Easier reg for peon players who aren't purchasing byes -> less pressure/demand for sleep-in registration, because the base package is a less shitty experience. VIP prices decrease (at glacial speed).

But what do I know. I've been drinking all week and alcohol makes me dumb as shit.

VIP isn't intrinisic to bye structures or sleep in specials, it's merely an expensive incentive for people who acquire byes to reap more out of a reward they've (arguably, though I would argue in favor of it) earned.
Many events allow for electronic preregistration. I haven't used these, so I don't know if they allow for electronic deck submission. Your idea could work for sealed pools, though not having a paper trail would make it hell for people who fuck up. Also the poor wifi at many convention centers presents another challenge, as even with kiosks you're still making huge lines that bring the problem back to square one.

The idea seems good for constructed events and bad for limited events. Neither addresses the initial issue of bye structures, concession language, or corporatist meddling in tournament magic from non-wizards organizers.

Unrelated, SCG is dog shit, but they improved upon wizards shitty model and schedule by leagues and it is a painful truth but a truth all the same.

[Thrillho]

Charging for sleep in specials is highway robbery, I'll admit that. I always just suck it up and wait around cause fuck giving you money for bs.

If your "face for the game" face isn't out there earning wizards brownie points among the scrumpers, you're going to pay them for it another way.

[Nuwen]

Those things are all correct and my idea was quite awful.

[LP, of the Fires]

The only legit problem Maverick brings up is splitting and Sleep-In special, and if you're a non-idiot and/or the judge isn't a complete tool, splitting is very easy.

Sleep in special is purely TO's squeezing money out of players because they can get away with it. Most pro players complained loudly about it and they reluctantly added a perk of being gold or higher level pros free sleep in special.

[Jamie]

I can see the argument. The fact you have to be knowledgeable or "non-idiot" at something that isn't the game is ridiculous.
But, the good outweighs the bad to such an extreme that it's an obvious good thing. There are better things to complain about

[jsilv]

as someone who works as an event coordinator for a major company, the last two pages are pure lolz. the idea that any one company is big enough to split off from WOTC is just pure fantasy.

[jsilv]

here's another little nugget, LP is 100% correct, SiS gets charged bc people pay it. It's a minor annoying bookkeeping effort that's worth like 1-2% of what the TO's will make from it. With that said, GP prices keep going up and up and attendance is still ridiculous and no GP run by a decent company has problems selling out of VIP level registration which is 'here's some extra swag, give us an extra hundo'. It's not something that makes any sense to stop doing.

[Khaospawn]

Dat hundo doe.

[LP, of the Fires]

I keep going thoughtseize into pack rat on fools in Legacy Cube.

hatch was right, forcing mono-black works. You'll wheel every marginal card you want.

[LP, of the Fires]

Finally decided to draft red in legacy cube and literally only red drafter. Have only picked off color cards while hate drafting.

[Valdarith]

Red and white aggro strategies always seem to be open the past few times I've drafted. Everyone wants to draft cool decks so the aggro decks build themselves for those willing to play them.

As for me, I keep building UB decks and I can't figure out if it's because I'm predisposed to drafting them or if I'm legitimately getting pushed to those colors. The worst I've done so far is 2-1 though so I can't complain. Plus the last deck I built was UB Wizards which was awesome. Ended up getting to 7 mana with Riptide Lab and Venser on an empty board one game and got to bounce my Mutavault with Riptide Lab to dodge removal in another.

tl;dr Legacy cube is a blast.

[Kaitscralt]

no shit

[Thrillho]

here's another little nugget, LP is 100% correct, SiS gets charged bc people pay it. It's a minor annoying bookkeeping effort that's worth like 1-2% of what the TO's will make from it. With that said, GP prices keep going up and up and attendance is still ridiculous and no GP run by a decent company has problems selling out of VIP level registration which is 'here's some extra swag, give us an extra hundo'. It's not something that makes any sense to stop doing.

You've been a great help.