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LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:06 pm

James showed NO integrity.

Integrity is doing the right thing when nobody is looking. Not admitting to cheating after you've been caught.

Does he deserve support? From the masses, probably not, from us, sure.

Does he deserve a second chance? Definitely.

He needs to publicly apologize to everyone, then eventually come back and play cleanly for a LONG time before people can even begin to accept him.

He needs to work on his attitude/maturity level and quite being a cocksucking prick(which to be fair, he was working on and improving at which I will give him).

He needs to make NO EXCUSES.

He's human and made a mistake, but that doesn't absolve him. Almost all of us have had some opportunity to cheat and didn't make that choice and in this case, he went the extra mile and went for the super cheat.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:06 pm

Many feels for disappearing from a community that taught me, and supported me in a rough patch of life.

I've spent the past nine or ten months shouldering my way into the gaming industry. 50-60+ hours/week crunchtime and maneuvering into a tightly knit entirely-male team took aaaaallll my energy. I didn't want to turn 25 without kicking my career into full-swing. Now that I've accomplished what I set out to do, I'm off to repair all the relationships I let slide and re-focus on hobbies. Totally understandable if you guys think I suck, am a fair-weather robot. Let it out and take some free shit?

We still love you.

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:45 pm

but Zem represented an underepresented country on the national stage and wrote for the best MTG site there is. lots of people looked to Zem as their nerdy hero and he shit all over everything

the guy in the wall isn't anything

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:47 pm

I didn't realize you played MMORPGs for thousands of dollars in prizes and compensation. That's very benevolent of you to say you would not be upset if someone robbed you of the opportunity for tens of thousands of dollars because of the weight of their ego.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:47 pm

but Zem represented an underepresented country on the national stage and wrote for the best MTG site there is. lots of people looked to Zem as their nerdy hero and he shit all over everything

the guy in the wall isn't anything

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:48 pm

The reason people play in magic tournaments for prizes at all is because they think they're more than just fish.
The reason Zem cheated is because he viewed these people as only fish.

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:50 pm

I care about this as much as anything else aka when I'm at work I will post endlessly about it and when work is over I won't think about it at all

Zem paid the iron price and the world will move on, Zem can still be chill with everyone here, I've said some harsh things but it's mainly coming from a place of boredom

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:02 pm

"Opportunity" was the key word there. See my following post. Everyone in the tournament for profit and fame is just as much a fish as the next guy. Zem had the audacity to forget that, and now everyone is mad at him.

For someone soaring above how absurd it is that people would be upset about a cheater, you certainly destroy that house by saying you'd watch him like a hawk if you ever played him.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:08 pm

Zem paid the iron price and the world will move on, Zem can still be chill with everyone here, I've said some harsh things but it's mainly coming from a place of boredom

This applies to all your posts though.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:09 pm

Hi Nuwen!

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:21 pm

that's debatable

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:33 pm

I used to be a real scumbag now I just play one online.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:34 pm

What I'm saying is that you can't put yourself too high above these people who are mad about card games if your second thought is "I would watch him like a hawk if I played him."

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:36 pm

I cheated once during an FNM (I posted about it here).

Then I switched to MTGO where I can atone by feeling cheated every time I log in.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:38 pm

I cheated once during an FNM (I posted about it here).

Then I switched to MTGO where I can atone by feeling cheated every time I log in.

Eventually after enough quarters, the toilet will back up and you'll feel like a winner.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:38 pm

I cheated Lewis Black out of that joke. Expect a full article for the front page in a day or so.

rianalnn · Postby **rianalnn** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:45 pm

Im the king of cheating in monopoly.

TBuzzsaw · Postby **TBuzzsaw** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:56 pm

The reason people play in magic tournaments for prizes at all is because they think they're more than just fish.
The reason Zem cheated is because he viewed these people as only fish.

Great, now I want fish for dinner.

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:04 pm

filleted zem

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:06 pm

Zemora

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:07 pm

You're right, I actually cheated once, according to Reddit.

I forgot to de-sideboard one time and noticed it mid game. I was losing so I just let it go and properly sideboarded for game two. Apparently I was supposed to call the judge on myself and grovel for forgiveness for my heinous crimes. Not calling that judge will forever haunt me.

That's the hardest one because typically only you know and you're expected to call the judge and ask them to give you a game loss. I've been there and took my lumps. Depends on the judge and the REL. Sometimes they'll let you away with it. Hell, I played in a 2HG prerelease once and my opponents had a card from the other head's deck in theirs (so they presented a 39 card deck and were playing a card that wasn't in their deck) and the judge didn't penalize them. Judges always seem to rule against me though lol.

Only time I've ever cheated was inadvertant and due to language barrier. I thought Selesnya Charm made a Human Knight token and I told my opponent I didn't think it could block my Stromkirk Noble. He could read the card (it was in his language) but played it that way and lost to the noble. I felt bad later when I checked the English text.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:45 pm

Let he who is without cheat manifest the first lap Whisperwood Elemental.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:56 pm

We all know Khaos is a cheat, nobody could play that much Red and still win.

nme · Postby **nme** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:01 pm

He hides cards in his beard.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:07 pm

Why did the Elemental need to be in his lap?

To whisper "wood"
whisper "wood", CORAL!

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:08 pm

the only time I've ever cheated was always

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:45 pm

My LGS now has a Gamecube. I will be playing Melee nonstop.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:19 am

Talked to James today, he seems to be handling things relatively well. I think he's doing ok.

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:21 am

Tell him anything I'm saying on Reddit is purely in the name of DTR promotion and that he shouldn't take it seriously

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:26 am

Or maybe don't say things that would require that?

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:27 am

What have you been saying on Reddit?

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:27 am

Just dragging him through the mud and hanging him out to dry

Col. Khaddafi · Postby **Col. Khaddafi** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:30 am

Just dragging him through the mud and hanging him out to dry

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:32 am

Maybe don't fucking do that? Throwing him under the bus is pretty fucking scummy.

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:34 am

you're in scummy company and zem is the busdriver

Jack · Postby **Jack** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:35 am

My LGS now has a Gamecube. I will be playing Melee nonstop.

I think I've been to more melee tournaments in the past two months than Magic tournaments in the past half year

Jack · Postby **Jack** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:36 am

LD: relax. Kait seems to have been perfectly cool and honest on reddit.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:37 am

James is my friend, and I think he thought you were his friend too. No one is impressed by your attitude right now.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:38 am

Telling people he's a habitual cheater is doing nothing but harm his reputation. It's baseless speculation and slander.

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:40 am

well we wouldn't want to harm his reputation

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