Open Site Blathering (formerly Advice from iridium ITT)

[Kaitscralt]

Lol @ Harkius pretending his idle talking in a public archived chat was a test when someone brings it up publicly.

Kijin broke the covenant of the mini-chat.

[Kaitscralt]

Harkius do not quit your day job, spinning stories is not your forte.

[Kaitscralt]

Lmao I can't breathe, this is why we need a Eugene around

[Kaitscralt]

You know Harkius there is no shame in being a troll and wasting people's time but to claim it was a matter of trust.

You trust the Salvation dudes so much that you are deleting every post on that website that they will allow, meanwhile you post stuff you cannot delete here, in the heart of the dossier kings.

Don't you ever think out your lies Harku

[Kaitscralt]

[Pendulum]

Christ on a Bike. The fuck?

[Kaitscralt]

WE FAILED

AGAIN...

[( G_R )]

[Kaitscralt]

Lol... it was all a test all along! That's so sneaky!

[Talore]

I don't even

[Kaitscralt]

Okay I'm done, I don't want to totally ruin this threads progress but oh my goodness that was a hilarious "confession"

would fail again

[iamabadman]

way to set up back harkius. and here we were beginning to like you.

good day to you sir.

[Col. Khaddafi]

WE FAILED

AGAIN...

You guys are overdue for a big, big punishment in Khaddafi's dungeon. Just sayin'

[Col. Khaddafi]

We are reconvening there in the dungeon, and everyone is going to make its self-criticism, and then I will assign punishments. These will be handled by my associates.

[Captain Murphy]

If people honestly think we have dossiers and want to track people, they're idiots.

[Captain Murphy]

We have been through this before harks, if you wanted a nice handshake when you came here you shouldn't have come in and ripped some terrible jokes about a bunch of us before we even had the chance to say "Hi!"

[iamabadman]

We are reconvening there in the dungeon, and everyone is going to make its self-criticism, and then I will assign punishments. These will be handled by my associates.

punishment by women?


i...really...hate...burnettes....that would be terrible.

[Tom Servo]

Ha! And here I thought I was the one with issues.

[Col. Khaddafi]

No worries, my associates are adept at fixing issues, this site is fully geared for any possible emergency

[Pendulum]

way to set up back harkius. and here we were beginning to like you.

good day to you sir.

<shrug>

I guess, at the end of the day, that's just going to be the way that it is. You can like me or not, but until you're willing to let the past stay there, I don't really give a damn.

Look at it this way. I did something bad in telling a lie. Kijin did something bad in trying to use that lie to cause damage. This kind of sets the tone for what happens when people interact with the users here, innit?

Um. Dude, did it occur to you that maybe Kijin
didn't like Senori and wanted to cause damage because of what you said about him?

[Kaitscralt]

way to set up back harkius. and here we were beginning to like you.

good day to you sir.

<shrug>

I guess, at the end of the day, that's just going to be the way that it is. You can like me or not, but until you're willing to let the past stay there, I don't really give a damn.

Look at it this way. I did something bad in telling a lie. Kijin did something bad in trying to use that lie to cause damage. This kind of sets the tone for what happens when people interact with the users here, innit?

Well, Senori doing that is incredibly
damaging to Kijin's name, so bringing it up makes perfect sense actually. Hence why Kijin brought it up. Did you even read the conversation? He cited an appropriate example for his concern, and nobody had a problem with said example -- indeed, its being addressed. It's been a day of progress.

You... you don't think things through a lot, do you? To accuse him of doing something bad actually makes not a lick of sense, regardless of whether or not you were lying. When discussing who should be involved with our appeals, he absolutely should have mentioned the person who is known to have labeled Kijin an Internet stalker when said person joins the Unban Kijin discussion.

You're just not a smart guy. Or a good troll.

[Pendulum]

Whatever, we've wasted enough time on this.

[Kaitscralt]

And we're back to square one, where Eugene pretends his talking in the public archived chat was a secret disclosure.

[Kaitscralt]

Whatever, we've wasted enough time on this.

[Kaitscralt]

Well, Senori doing that is incredibly damaging to Kijin's name, so bringing it up makes perfect sense actually. Hence why Kijin brought it up. Did you even read the conversation? He cited an appropriate example for his concern, and nobody had a problem with said example -- indeed, its being addressed. It's been a day of progress.

You... you don't think things through a lot, do you? To accuse him of doing something bad actually makes not a lick of sense, regardless of whether or not you were lying. When discussing who should be involved with our appeals, he absolutely should have mentioned the person who is known to have labeled Kijin an Internet stalker when said person joins the Unban Kijin discussion.

You're
just not a smart guy. Or a good troll.

It would have...if Sen did it. He didn't, though. Yep, I have read the conversation. And what I see is that Kijin waited until there was a useful time to use it to his advantage. Then he did. <shrug>

What he should have done was waited to hear about it in his appeal, if it ever came up. Since Sen didn't say it, it wouldn't have come up. And it never would have been a problem.

So if you were on trial and you believed one of the jury members had framed you for something in the past, you'd wait to see if they brought it up before asking the judge for a retrial?

My god man, you are dumb as bricks.

[Azrael]

I can think of three...

It really doesn't go the way that some irrelevant local mod with an ignorant opinion sways the whole process for a decision. It does come down to reasoned arguments. The random guy that just says yes or no without a good reason doesn't really get heard much or they are easily swayed. The whole 'democracy' thing is to air ideas more than having a majority vote or anything. It still has flaws, though.

You think so?

I didn't choose the words irrelevant or ignorant in your quote above, so I don't mean those to apply to the person I'm about to mention. But, I do wish that Senori had known me a little better before he wrote the various things he did in my app.
I think he feels the same way now, too, and he PM'd me a while back to say he'd changed his mind about that.

I really appreciated that gesture, and it's all good, no regrets, and he probably did me a favor by helping to keep me from burning countless more hours in the lounge.

Still, similarly, I think there's a lot of newer staff coming on board who aren't familiar with how good at their jobs people like Madding, N S, Kijin, and others were as moderators, how many good things they did for the site, and how they held their cool under fire for many years as gutter reps. And there's a lot of staff who aren't familiar with the full history of the gutter and its culture, or gutter-drama, or the personalities of the various gutterites.

But a lot of those guys are going to be very interested in weighing in on their ban appeals. Can't blame them for wanting to - but compared to someone like Nai, Sene, Gals, ER, or Yukora, who had the opportunity to work with all of those guys as coworkers, they
miss out on a lot of pretty key information. If your main experience with Kijin is seeing him post-ban, you're going to have a much different picture than if you knew him as a seven-year staff veteran, responsible for writing up several of the mod tutorials, and anchoring a lot of the financial prediction threads on the site with some pretty keen and valuable insights. Or if you saw how restrained and amazingly diplomatic N S was during the first gutter closing, it might change your mind about cutting him some slack for how the second closing went down.

[Pendulum]

It's probably fair to aim the reverse of Nai's question at you, Azrael.

If you were an admin and you wanted Kaitscralt unbanned without half your staff walking at the decision, how would you go about it?

[Sir Sapphire the 3rd]

It's probably fair to aim the reverse of Nai's question at you, Azrael.

If you were an admin and you wanted Kaitscralt unbanned without half your staff walking at the decision, how would you go about it?

I think You also have to wonder why would they walk out on that so easly when other "complicated unbannings" was fine

[Pendulum]

It's probably fair to aim the reverse of Nai's question at you, Azrael.

If you were an admin and you wanted Kaitscralt unbanned without half your staff walking at the decision, how would you go about it?

I think You also have to wonder why would they walk out on that so easly when other "complicated unbannings" was fine

Throughout the whole of my history at MTGS the only lesson I've had ground into me over and over again is that the people there really, really, really don't like it when others draw lines in the sand.

[Sir Sapphire the 3rd]

It's probably fair to aim the reverse of Nai's question at you, Azrael.

If you were an admin and you wanted Kaitscralt unbanned without half your staff walking at the decision, how would you go about it?

I think You also have to wonder why would they walk out on that so easly when other "complicated unbannings" was fine

Throughout the whole of my history at MTGS the only
lesson I've had ground into me over and over again is that the people there really, really, really don't like it when others draw lines in the sand.

Reason problems Always kept happening.

[Talore]

Azrael can you please stop pretending to know what goes on in the moderator lounge almost a year after you left?

[Kaitscralt]

Well what goes on in there?

[Talore]

I just described it on the previous page.

[Kaitscralt]

Then Azrael does know, and so do the rest of us.

[Talore]

Well played

[Kaitscralt]

<3

Goodnight

[Sir Sapphire the 3rd]

good sir well done

[Thrillho]

On one hand, I trust that the admins have been following our "progress" on this site intently and can make an earnest assessment about which of us have grown or moved on from our troubling experiences. On the other, Senori joined this discussion two weeks after Harkius admitted that Senori fed him knowingly false information for what would appear to be just to drive drama and discord among hotheaded members of MTGS who are likely to get themselves in hot water once their tempers flare.

Between that and Scumbag's more level-headed post above, I hope this better illustrates the
misgivings I have about approaching a silent majority of a tribunal in discussing an appeal when I seem to be discussing it perfectly well, openly, and without issue here.

For what it's worth, Sen isn't the one who told me that. I know that I said that he did, but that was less to stir up drama and more to see if you guys would remain true to form and wait for a chance to use it to cause problems. And guess what. You did.

Congratulations on disappointing me again, guys. <Slow clap>.

Two people have told me two different names about who has been telling people things about my life. Sen wasn't one of the people who gave me a name, but Kijin is one of the names that I heard.

See attached. Riveting yarn, chap.

[Thrillho]

way to set up back harkius. and here we were beginning to like you.

good day to you sir.

<shrug>

I guess, at the end of the day, that's just going to be the way that it is. You can like me or not, but until you're willing to let the past stay there, I don't really give a damn.

Look at it this way. I did something bad in telling a lie. Kijin did something bad in trying to use that lie to cause damage. This kind of sets the tone for what happens when people interact with the users here, innit?

if by do something bad you mean got you scum
called publicly. i don't know how that's bad since you just scum revealed.

[Thrillho]

Of course. But that doesn't change what I've learned. To wit: People aren't willing to keep disclosures to themselves and they will use them to cause havoc if they can.

what you said is publicly verifiable information on this forum anyone can find with a few mouseclicks you shitheel.