W/U Heroic

[zemanjaski]

Updated deck:

[deck]UW Heroes[/deck]
Creatures
4 Battlewise Hoplite
4 Favored Hoplite
4 Heliod's Pilgrim
4 Hero of Iroas
3 Seeker of the Way

Non-creature Spells
1 Ajani's Presence
1 Aqueous Form
4 Defiant Strike
1 Feat of Resistance
4 Gods Willing
1 Ordeal of Heliod
4 Ordeal of Thassa
2 Stratus Walk
1 Stubborn Denial

Lands
4 Flooded Strand
2 Island
2 Mana Confluence
8 Plains
4 Temple of Enlightenment
2 Tranquil Cove

Sideboard
1 Ajani's Presence
2 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1 Erase
4 Glare of Heresy
1 Mortal Obstinacy
1 Ordeal of Heliod
3 Stubborn Denial
2 Treasure Cruise
[/deck]

[Whole]

Zem, do you think you'll make any UW heroic videos for CFB anytime soon?

[zemanjaski]

Unlikely I only draft online now and I'm travelling most weekends for paper events.

[Aodh]

Why do you only draft online?

[zemanjaski]

It's important I improve at limited and I've got access to very strong constructed players in paper.

[zemanjaski]

In a more aggressive meta I would suggest:
-2 Stratus Walk
+1 Aqueous Form
+1 Ordeal of Heliod

[Zooligan]

So what does a good U/W Heroic deck look like after Fate Reforged cards get added in?

[Jojja]

MB changes:
+4 Valorous Stance (swap out the none Gods Willing protection/counter stuff)

SB changes:
+2 Monastery Siege, against spot removal decks and tokens.
+2 Reality Shift, vs Stormbreath Dragon.

Unsures:
Jeskai Runemark, I like this but I need to play test it to see if it is better or worse then Stratus Walk.

I'm also tempted to splash red for Temur Battle Rage and some other random stuff. I think this is one of the most under valued cards in the set, it's going to make the Temur and R/G Stompy decks crazy. Might even make the Sligh decks good again, even tho I doubt it since the rest of the red card pool is to shallow.

[GoblinWarchief]

Well, +4 valorous stance seems a bit too much. God's willing is a better card for saving your creatures (protection is better than indestructible), is one mana cheaper and scries. I can see a couple valorous stances replacing ajani's presence and maybe the main deck stubborn denial. Being able to kill creatures is nice, but not so important to make it a 4-of because our deck usually just want to ignore opposing creatures.

Regarding sideboard everything can be possible , but testing is needed.

[zemanjaski]

Gods Willing is one of the best cards, don't cut those! Probably shave some of the flex slots (eg: Presence, Feat etc).

[Jojja]

As I said, you cut the none Gods Willing protection/counters to make room.

The reason for running 4 Valorous Stance is its dual nature. Since your using it as both removal and protection you'll need more of them the you would if only using them for protection.

[zemanjaski]

I feel like someone said to cut Gods Willing but I can't find it now so maybe I imagined it. I'm running 2 Stance main, 2 board.

[zemanjaski]

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... us-stance/

[LP, of the Fires]

Kinda sweet Monastery Mentor heroic


[deck]Creatures (18)
4 Battlewise Hoplite
4 Favored Hoplite
4 Hero Of Iroas
3 Monastery Mentor
3 Seeker of the Way

Lands (22)
3 Island
5 Plains
4 Flooded Strand
4 Temple of Enlightenment
2 Tranquil Cove
4 Windswept Heath


Spells (20)
4 Ordeal of Thassa
4 Defiant Strike
1 Ephemeral Shields
4 Gods Willing
2 Refocus
2 Valorous Stance
3 Treasure Cruise


Sideboard
2 Lagonna-Band Trailblazer
1 Monastery Mentor
3 Ordeal of Heliod
2 Force Away
3 Stubborn Denial
1 Valorous Stance
2 Glare of Heresy
1 Treasure Cruise[/deck]

[Mcdonalds]

Is that card as sweet in this deck as I think it is or am I just being hopeful/retarded?

[LP, of the Fires]

It lets you play the deck differently if the format asks for it. Instead of being mono-trick based and leaning on 1 big creature, it lets you go wide if that's better.

I haven't tested the mentor version and have no idea if it's better or worse, but it's an option which is important to look at.

Relevant, I think Heroic should start adopting some numbers of refocus to the deck. Gives you another cheap cantrip and helps you a lot in racing situations. The net result of the card should often be draw a card, kill there guy, get a counter on your creature.

[zemanjaski]

Haven't been able to get Mentor to work sadly.

Refocus just feels worse than what you're already running; I can't find easy cuts for it.

[LP, of the Fires]

Refocus only seems really worth it with mentor and not worth it if mentor doesn't pan out.

[zemanjaski]

[deck]
Creatures
4 Battlewise Hoplite
4 Favored Hoplite
4 Heliod's Pilgrim
4 Hero of Iroas
3 Seeker of the Way

Non-Creature Spells
1 Ajani's Presence
1 Aqueous Form
4 Defiant Strike
1 Feat of Resistance
4 Gods Willing
1 Ordeal of Heliod
4 Ordeal of Thassa
1 Stratus Walk
1 Stubborn Denial
1 Treasure Cruise

Lands
4 Flooded Strand
2 Island
2 Mana Confluence
6 Plains
4 Temple of Enlightenment
2 Tranquil Cove
2 Windswept Heath

Sideboard
1 Ajani's Presence
2 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1 Citadel Siege
1 Erase
3 Glare of Heresy
1 Mortal Obstinacy
1 Ordeal of Heliod
3 Stubborn Denial
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Triton Tactics
[/deck]