[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[Khaospawn]

Looks like Jared Boettcher is next on the ban list. I'm sure this pleases Kait greatly.

nothing ever pleases me

Except for fat shaming

Don't lie

[Lightning_Dolt]

And dreamcrushing noobs and scrumps.

[Lightning_Dolt]

NOOBS AND SCRUMPS! ( Warren from There's Something About Mary voice)

[Khaospawn]

How'd you get the beans above the scrumps?

[Khaospawn]

Have you seen my Scrumper?

[Valdarith]

Looks like Jared Boettcher is next on the ban list. I'm sure this pleases Kait greatly.

Boettcher was cleared already yesterday, to my knowledge.

It's been rekindled with quite a bit of damning evidence.

[NotARobot]

Looks like Jared Boettcher is next on the ban list. I'm sure this pleases Kait greatly.

Boettcher was cleared already yesterday, to my knowledge.

I think that was before a bunch of new videos surfaced....

[rcwraspy]

where are these cheating issues being discussed? reddit?

[BlakLanner]

Yes, it is being discussed on Reddit. I think they may take a closer look at Jared Boettcher after those videos and the announcement they made yesterday, suspending both Humphries (4 years) and Bertoncini (3 years )

http://www.starcitygames.com/news/381_W ... ed+Players

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/ar ... 2014-10-24

[Khaospawn]

The guy right above Trevor Humphries on the list...

http://sexoffender.ncdoj.gov/details.aspx?SRN=003813S2

He had a game store here in Charlotte, NC for a while until someone found his mugshot in the registry and reported him to Wizards. They immediately lifetime banned him and yanked his sanction, causing his business to inevitably close.

So yeah, he gets to live in infamy right next to a dude who diddles children.

I can't wait for Kait to fat shame him and talk about his pedophilia.

[Khaospawn]

In other news, I've decided to grow a beard. Soon my plan to look like will be complete.

[Tyrael]

So, did they catch Bertoncini again or is this about his previous endeavors?

[Khaospawn]

So, did they catch Bertoncini again or is this about his previous endeavors?

He was cheating by playing sloppy, doing just enough to accumulate enough warnings in a match to just not receive a game loss. He would do things like draw 4 off of a Brainstorm and neglect to put any cards back. Shit like that.

[Khaospawn]

Basically, he was working a system.

[Tyrael]

That's horrible

I'm surprised he didn't get a longer suspension though, considering his track record...

[Kaitscralt]

does that pedo still have his store?

[Khaospawn]

does that pedo still have his store?

He probably just drives an ice cream truck now...

[Kaitscralt]

can't

[Kaitscralt]

that's why i was wondering about his store. i would be very surprised if it was closed down. more likely he maybe closed it down himself.

wizards probably has clauses in their fine printing that allow them to do what they want with whoever they want, so them banning him doesn't surprise me or bother me as much

[Kaitscralt]

My guess is business got bad and he shut down shop

[Kaitscralt]

I highly doubt anyone stopped selling him product, he probably just had a store that kids wouldn't/couldn't go to anymore

[Kaitscralt]

scg is selling cardboard crack now? there goes my last iota of respect for them.

[TBuzzsaw]

It looks like all his diddling was done 25 years ago before he was caught years later.

I dunno, it feels like he should have been given a second chance given how long ago it was. If it was recent then I would understand the ban. However, if Wizards didn't ban him it would be a PR nightmare.

[NerdBoyWonder]

Why was he allowed to keep his store after the conviction? Did he not get jail time? If the law says he can have his store, I don't think it's morally right for Wizards to say that he can't (and they definitely know how pulling their product would ruin him).

He had one before he was convicted which was seized upon conviction, went to prison, got out and opened another one.

Sounds like the guy wants to move on with his life and be a part of society again.

Really, he did everything you want an ex-criminal to do. What's the point of even having a justice system if it's just going to be socially acceptible to cut this guy down regardless of his rehabilitation?

Because you are equating that law/justice stands on its own outside of societies norms and perspective. The courts can say one thing but the lynch mob outside can care less.

[Tyrael]

The lynch mob will only act based on emotions which is why it's a horrible idea to have any kind of involvement of the public when it comes to justice

Justice is supposed to be objective and fair, that angry lynch mob standing outside the court room is anything but that

I don't want anyone to be the victim of the idiocy of the general public, no matter how bad the crimes they have committed

[NerdBoyWonder]

The lynch mob will only act based on emotions which is why it's a horrible idea to have any kind of involvement of the public when it comes to justice

Justice is supposed to be objective and fair, that angry lynch mob standing outside the court room is anything but that

I don't want anyone to be the victim of the idiocy of the general public, no matter how bad the crimes they have committed

Which unfortunately will never happen at least here in the US with society viewing justice and law throughtheir own perspective which depends on race, sex, income, region, etc. The way I view law/justice varies differently from those who live in Texas for example. Part of it comes from the country becoming highly politicized over the last 10 years.

I don't disagree that law and Justice should be objective but I understand people at least here in the states tend to put their own interpretation of law in and outside the Justice system.

In regards to the sex offender losing his shop because of his past activities Wizards action is not surprising and they have a right as a business to have their product distributed by whoever they decide. All buisness do. This is not right or wrong. Societies views shape what is determined right or wrong at any given time.

[zemanjaski]

Yeah being a paedophile is a choice, just like being black. Being gay also involves harming others, right?

We're not discussing people assaulting him in the street; we're talking about a business forgoing a business opportunity because it could lose it revenue.

[zemanjaski]

I certainly don't want to come across at being accepting of the way the us treats it's criminals however, it's not good at all. I just think that looking at private corporations to uphold a moral standard that society won't is very naive; this isn't like child workers in foreign countries.

[zemanjaski]

It's definitely not the view of the law that paedophiles are mentally ill.

[zemanjaski]

What Alex said. I can't believe you compared it to race / gender; all credibility gone.

[zemanjaski]

Wizards didn't shut him down. Sure, skew events for your agenda.

[zemanjaski]

I should clarify; you went beyond a comparison and said that were the same thing.

[zemanjaski]

Then you're misunderstanding me; I agree with you on the other issues and have clearly avoided taking the same position on the broder issue.

[NerdBoyWonder]

Wizards has the right to refuse business to whoever they want. They didn't shut him down, but they certainly weren't going to condone his previous actions (not to mention potentially endanger children in the process) by keeping him afloat either.

You just said what I was trying to convey in the post you quoted me. Private businesses can refuse to do buisness with whoever they want but society will ultimately decide if said buisness' practices are right or wrong. Wizard's didn't shut him down. Society decided his business was not wanted by choosing to no long support that game store.

I'm not saying it is good or bad btw. Just stating how the machine works.

[NerdBoyWonder]

For the record, I don't think he should have been allowed to own a game store given his specific crime. Just, again, like a bank robber shouldn't be allowed to work in a bank.

Maybe if he only stocked adult-rated games or something, but by nature of stocking what I assume are games rated at least teen, it definitely establishes an environment that he shouldn't be allowed to run.

However, if the law says that he can in the first place, then I think the law should protect that right.

The law does protect him but economics decided other wise. Can't force people to shop at places they don't want to.

[rcwraspy]

Maverick I think you're a bit off with the criminal treatment in the US. Thieves don't get put on lists distributed to their entire neighborhood. Sexual predators do. So there already exists a major distinction. Further, WOTC has a commercial interest in protecting their brand, which is marketed to children, and they have a right to refuse business.

Basically the public policy need to protect children far outweigh a potentially rehabilitated convicts privacy.

[NerdBoyWonder]

For the record, I don't think he should have been allowed to own a game store given his specific crime. Just, again, like a bank robber shouldn't be allowed to work in a bank.

Maybe if he only stocked adult-rated games or something, but by nature of stocking what I assume are games rated at least teen, it definitely establishes an environment that he shouldn't be allowed to run.

However, if the law says that he can in the first place, then I think the law should protect that right. If people stopped going to his store and that's why he went out of business, then that's fine. If Wizards of the Coast denied him access to buying their product to sell in his store, then I don't think that's fine.

The law allowed it to happen, which in its own right is protecting him. But the law also can't forbid people from doing business with him either. Free market and all that.

But that's just the thing. Is there an actual law that says you can't refuse to do business with someone based on a protected class? Is there a literal law on the books that says a company can't refuse to sell to a store that's owned by someone solely because they belong to a protected class?

If so, and if the government is moving towards a direction in which "criminal" is a protected class (under the belief that once they have served their time, that they are a free person with no less human rights), then I don't see how my opinion that it's wrong that Wizards refused to do business with him - should that even be the case - is so radical.

Why should there be? Do you know how a free market works?

Why should there be laws protecting classes from discrimination?

What you are suggesting is that there should be laws in place for businesses to not discriminate against those they choose to do business with. That is not how free markets work. Laws do protect those to be EMPLOYED by business but laws are not made to force businesses to do business with those they do not seem fit.

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[Dechs Kaison]

So, as it turns out, sandroplaning is a thing in this country.

[rcwraspy]

So, as it turns out, sandroplaning is a thing in this country.

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