[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

TBuzzsaw · Postby **TBuzzsaw** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:19 am

Buy Savage Knuckleblades. Preferably in bulk.

I have a gut feeling on that card too, although I haven't acted on it yet. I missed out on the Rabble-train before so I'm gonna have to stop procrastinating this time.

NerdBoyWonder · Postby **NerdBoyWonder** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:53 am

Buy Savage Knuckleblades. Preferably in bulk.

Got my playset and have been wrecking face with them. Favorite card of the set.

Purp · Postby **Purp** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:02 pm

Knuckleblades wont go beyond $5

Pedros · Postby **Pedros** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:03 pm

Cheapesr Knuckleblades around here costs 4$, so cant get them y bulk price sadly. Will probably settle on this price.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:32 pm

Knuckleblades wont go beyond $5

People told me ashcloud phoenix was garbage as well and mine more then double in price.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:35 pm

So bad I traded a Ghostfire Blade for one the day of release!

Purp · Postby **Purp** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:44 pm

Knuckleblades wont go beyond $5
People told me ashcloud phoenix was garbage as well and mine more then double in price.

I could state financial card gains that people told me wouldn't be too... But comparing Kunckleblade to Ashcloud is just cray.

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:48 pm

Knuckleblade may not have a perfect home right now, but it's an inherently powerful magic card. Cards like that have a higher probability of spiking because they don't see play while they're being drafted but then new sets bring decks that want them so everybody has to buy them from scratch.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:57 pm

Knuckleblades wont go beyond $5
People told me ashcloud phoenix was garbage as well and mine more then double in price.
I could state financial card gains that people told me wouldn't be too... But comparing Kunckleblade to Ashcloud is just cray.

It's really not. Ashcloud was a 3.50 mythic that was(to me) obviously playable, but there was no home for the card so it didn't spike till people started finding decks to play it. Knuckleblade is more of the same, only arguably a better card. It's spike is gonna come either by the end of the year if it starts doing well at more events, or more longterm when better manafixing gets printed.

Dechs Kaison · Postby **Dechs Kaison** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:14 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Shocks are still in rotation and Fetches have been reprinted. What better manafixing can you expect to have?

Dechs Kaison · Postby **Dechs Kaison** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:15 pm

Oh. Right. Theros happened.

BlakLanner · Postby **BlakLanner** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:15 pm

Shocks rotated out with RtR/M14.

Dechs Kaison · Postby **Dechs Kaison** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:17 pm

Yeah, beat you to it, but that shows how much I pay attention to Standard.

Jasper · Postby **Jasper** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:17 pm

Savage Knuckleblade is in the same boat as Mantis Rider. They can both only be played in those exact 3 colors. I don't expect either one to go higher than $5 ever again.

Ashcloud Phoenix on the other hand has just one color requirement, and can therefore be played in multiple different decks. What confuses me about this card is that it has been in many Top 8 decklists, in the main and sideboard, and yet managed to drop $1 in price after the Pro Tour. It only bugs me because I bought/traded for 20 of them, lol.

Tyrael · Postby **Tyrael** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:30 pm

Ah, I wish BUG control were a thing right now

I'm itching to use my Kiora, The Crashing Wave again.... Shaheen Soorani posted this list last week but the mana looks really dodgy

[deck]
Creatures (11)
3 Prognostic Sphinx
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Courser of Kruphix

Planeswalkers (6)
3 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
1 Garruk, Apex Predator
2 Kiora, the Crashing Wave

Lands (25)
3 Forest
2 Island
3 Swamp
4 Opulent Palace
4 Polluted Delta
4 Temple of Malady
4 Temple of Mystery
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

Spells (18)
2 Aetherspouts
3 Dig Through Time
4 Hero's Downfall
1 Silence the Believers
4 Sultai Charm
4 Thoughtseize

Sideboard
3 Nylea's Disciple
3 Bile Blight
2 Dissolve
1 Pharika's Cure
1 Unravel the Aether
1 Liliana Vess
4 Drown in Sorrow[/deck]

What do you guys think?

BlakLanner · Postby **BlakLanner** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:34 pm

The common opinion from the players at the PT was that Ashiok is not well positioned. The times that you get to mill a creature and then do something with it are so infrequent that you are better off playing other cards.

Edit - Quote from Owen Turtenwald

In practice Ashiok failed miserably. In essence it's just a lucky card since if you're not on the play or if you are ever behind on the board it does nothing to help stabilize your situation. Also, it just has a random element right on it, if you aren't milling good creatures that cost five or less it has no effect on the game. It was a serious liability to have a card in your deck that allowed your opponent to make good use of their Hero's Downfalls. At the Pro Tour I had many players leave in Hero's Downfall againast me, sideboard in Despise, or even cast Phyrexian Revoker and name Ashiok. I feel strongly that removing Ashiok from the deck was one of the largest stepping stones to go from an OK list to a Pro-Tour-caliber deck.

Tyrael · Postby **Tyrael** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:43 pm

I've seen it do plenty of good things this game day but if Owen says so then who am I to disagree lol

BlakLanner · Postby **BlakLanner** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:46 pm

I have read the same opinion from several others who played control at the last PT. When it actually works, it is great. The problem is that it rarely has an impact against higher level players.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:39 pm

I have mine in the board for the mirror but it might just be worse than Grindclock. Honestly unsure.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:55 pm

Best card in the mirror is worst fears. You bounce all there lands to there pearl lake ancient and the game is over. OR you discard there entire hand to prognostic sphinx. If you're lucky, you do both.

Whether worst fears is actually playable or not is up for debate, but if it is, it's amazing. My buddy tested it once and it was great. Don't know if he played it at the GP or not, but he finished in the money.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:56 pm

I think all you want to do in the mirror is hit land drops and correctly time a thoughtseize.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:02 pm

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comme ... _standard/

Watch the video. It's pretty clear that he cheated and has been doing so for awhile.

GoblinWarchief · Postby **GoblinWarchief** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:43 am

You should all watch "the cabin in the woods". this is even a better suggestion than when i proposed "a serbian film"

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:06 am

Worst Fears? I'm in.

Christen · Postby **Christen** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:11 am

Been watching LSV pilot UR Delver. Treasure Cruise is disgusting.

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:41 am

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comme ... _standard/

Watch the video. It's pretty clear that he cheated and has been doing so for awhile.

This Humphries guy's at all the big events locally. I'm not at all surprised.

nme · Postby **nme** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:22 am

http://gfycat.com/ParallelShortGemsbuck

I can't believe how nonchalant he was about sliding the cards off the bottom to the top while on camera. What a fuckin balloon head.

Christen · Postby **Christen** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:19 pm

http://youtu.be/0J8VNrzppy4

Magic trick.

Self Medicated · Postby **Self Medicated** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:59 pm

If you have to cheat to win, that's just sad. Plus, who in their right fucking mind thinks they'll get away with it on camera? Fucking douchebags, that's who.

They took Humphries picture holding the trophy down from SCG's home page. lol

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:06 pm

here's hoping he gets a DCI ban.

Dechs Kaison · Postby **Dechs Kaison** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:48 pm

Speaking of sleight of hand:

Do you guys know the difference between a con man and a magician?

RedNihilist · Postby **RedNihilist** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:21 pm

I don't cheat, and I obviously don't condone cheating, but there's something just inherently cool about sleight of hand when compared to, say, playing an extra land on a turn or being an asshole about triggers, that makes me hate this guy less than other cheaters.

It's like, yeah, he cheated, but at least he put some effort into it.

There's a 75% chance this guy would be the protagonist if life was Hollywood.

At the same time, we're talking of an individual that could reach such a level of mastery only via actual training.
He has put effort in being able to cheat.
That's pretty low.

Tyrael · Postby **Tyrael** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:11 pm

I can't believe he still got his hands on the power 9 which are worth more than the 10k prize money anyway

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:47 pm

I can't believe he still got his hands on the power 9 which are worth more than the 10k prize money anyway

Are you thinking of Bertoncini?

Tyrael · Postby **Tyrael** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:05 pm

Ah yes

I'm an idiot

Self Medicated · Postby **Self Medicated** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:19 pm

Speaking of sleight of hand:

Do you guys know the difference between a con man and a magician?

A magician tells you what he's doing is a lie or illusion. A con man wants you to believe it to be real or truthful.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:31 pm

I hate people who practice this shit more cause it means they're actively finding ways to steal from people.

Make no mistake: cheating is stealing in competitive magic.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:52 pm

Strongly agree.

Postby **Stardust** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:00 pm

I hate people who practice this shit more cause it means they're actively finding ways to steal from people.

Some people practice because it's fun.

Though my friends all insist on cutting the deck ever since I showed them my tricks...

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:05 pm

Actually just knowing how to do it is obviously fine cause I could see how it's a fun thing to do.

I was speaking specifically about people that use it to cheat.

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