[Deck] Burn

[Jack]

Or just run more land. I'm balancing 3 Blaze with 19-20 mountains just fine.

[Khaospawn]

No shit lol

[Jack]

Singleton Lavamancer is also fantastic in my build. There's really never a time you don't want to see him (aside from when you need a 4-damage spell instead because you think they'll combo off next turn). There's never trouble finding enough cards to exile, since nothing else competes for graveyard resources.

[Mcdonalds]

Pimped out burn deck

Figured you guys would appreciate it

[BlakLanner]

Shiny

[Khaospawn]

P-Sully's SCG Open winning list.

[magicdownunder]

Thought on Satyr Firedancer and Monastery Swiftspear in Legacy?

[BlakLanner]

Firedancer might work against Elves but that is about it. It would be swiftly removed by any other opposing deck before we could get any use out of it. I looked into Swiftspear in Modern and found it lacking since it requires us to cast spells on our own turn to get its damage up to Goblin Guide levels. I believe that assessment holds true here as well.

[Valdarith]

I would rather play more Searing effects than Firedancer.

[BlakLanner]

I would rather play more Searing effects than Firedancer.

I agree. It is a more consistent plan.

The salty response by Ross Merriam after being beaten by a 13 year old kid with Firedancers in the sideboard was priceless though.

[Valdarith]

Link?

[BlakLanner]

I don't have one off the top of my head. It came from the SCG coverage team.

[Valdarith]

Yeah, I don't think there's a video for it.

[magicdownunder]

I'm not very accustom with legacy, but what decks are Price of Progress and/or Sulfuric Vortex bad against (on M2-M3)?

Its obv. that you don't want Price of Progress vs monocolour decks but do any other legacy deck run enough basic lands to make price a bad keep? Which decks bring in lifegain effect M2-3 which make us want to keep Sulfuric Vortex?

P.S. Learning a format is hard

[Valdarith]

UW Miracles is the tier one deck that comes to mind when I think of decks that PoP is bad against.

You want Vortex for UW Miracles and UWR Delver. It's also not bad against Sneak and Show since it stops lifegain from Griselbrand and can be put into play with Show and Tell, allowing an easier turn three or four kill.

[Jack]

Yeah, even though Miracles is a 3-color deck, it can run off of just 3 basic islands and one Plains, and will do so if it knows the other deck can punish nonbasic lands.

[BlakLanner]

I also advise Vortex against Deathrite Shaman decks. Using it to stop their lifegain was crucial back when I ran Devils.

[magicdownunder]

Because I'm a budget noob and I don't want to buy Mindbreak Trap I'm going to try and run pacoelflaco's list - I'm not going to make any changes beside swapping Red Elemental Blast for Pyroblast (since I don't own any REB) because I don't understand the format well enough to make any well informed decisions.

[deck=pacoelflaco's Burn (7-0 MOCS list)]Creatures 13
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer
1 Vexing Devil

Spells 28
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Fireblast
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Price of Progress
4 Searing Blaze

Lands 19
11 Mountain
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn

Sideboard 15
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Relic of Progenitus
2 Smash to Smithereens
2 Dragon's Claw
2 Ashen Rider
2 Pithing Needle
1 Forked Bolt[/deck]

I'll report back once I find time to play a DE or SE.

[Khaospawn]

Godspeed, MDU.

[Jack]

Pyroblast is a strictly better card anyway.

[Jack]

A dude at my LGS said he liked Reforge the Soul in burn.
Pros:
Wins the damn game
Cons:
We don't get to 5 mana regularly (although this is exactly what we want to see if we ever do)
We don't play top for easy Miracles.

[Jack]

I'm actually looking forward to play testing this. If it turns out to be good, I'd love to take it to a big event, get top 32, and make everyone on the Internet fucking look at it.

[magicdownunder]

Because I'm a budget noob and I don't want to buy Mindbreak Trap I'm going to try and run pacoelflaco's list - I'm not going to make any changes beside swapping Red Elemental Blast for Pyroblast (since I don't own any REB) because I don't understand the format well enough to make any well informed decisions.

[deck=pacoelflaco's Burn (7-0 MOCS list)]Creatures 13
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer
1 Vexing Devil

Spells 28
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Fireblast
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Price of Progress
4 Searing Blaze

Lands 19
11 Mountain
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn

Sideboard 15
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Relic of Progenitus
2 Smash to Smithereens
2 Dragon's Claw
2 Ashen Rider
2
Pithing Needle
1 Forked Bolt[/deck]

I'll report back once I find time to play a DE or SE.

Currently 3-0 in my first DE attempt, the videos will be terrible though since I shot myself in the foot a fair few times with some HORRIBLE plays.

Initial comments:

I don't like Pithing Needles (I'll admit half the problem is because I have no idea what to name - the second and more important half of the reason is that it doesn't deal damage which became a problem during my game against Delver).

I love the 4x Grim and 4x Searing Blaze MD (I havn't faced combo yet which maybe the reason why).

I may just man up and buy Blak's list - Blak's comments in this thread and the MOCS report have been so very helpful (on that note what are you on now Blak).

EDIT2: I 4-0'ed ,
really glad Blak helped me get over my Legacy traumas

[BlakLanner]

I haven't made any changes since the list after the MOCS. Right now I have been focusing on Standard and the RWU Burn in Modern.

[deck]Burn[/deck]

I try to keep my lists up to date in my sig. It isn't always 100% but is usually close.
Don't be afraid to deviate from this list. The recent lists with fetch lands and Searing Blazes is also quite solid.

[Valdarith]

Disregard combo.

Acquire more Searing Blaze.

Glad you had success in the DE.

I don't like the Needles either. And I'd swap the one Vexing Devil for the 12th Mountain.

[magicdownunder]

Disregard combo.

In my PoV I believe this is the correct stance because we're most likely going to lose G1 vs Combo anyways.

Comments on [card]Tormod's Crypt[/card] vs Relic of Progenitus? I'm running Relic right now but I think the Crypt is generally better for the decks we bring in yard hate for (unless I'm missing a MU where this isn't the case??).

P.S. I oddly like the 1x VD, its a decent card for feeding GL and it trades with almost everything - I may trade it in for 1x Fork Bolt or even Sudden Shock (because infect is suddenly all the rage).

[BlakLanner]

It is a matter of personal preference. I prefer Crypt because it costs no mana. Relic cycles and is better in the long term against things like Goyf.

[magicdownunder]

It is a matter of personal preference. I prefer Crypt because it costs no mana. Relic cycles and is better in the long term against things like Goyf.

Hmmmm... I would have figured that Crypt would be better in the long term because it isn't difficult to refill the yard. I need to read more

Anyhow I'm currently 3-0 in my second DE attempt, I havn't made any changes yet because when I logged on I notice that I was 1 minute away from an event firing anyhow my current hurdle is deck identification - I'm really
having problems sideboarding because I have no idea what I'm playing against, I still manage to get by via guesses based on the few cards I see and frantically searching MTGOGOLDFISH for a decks playing those cards.

If possible could someone type out a guide identifying when Price of Progress is good or not? I find myself dealing 2 damage most of the time with the silly card since everyone just fetch basics even in 3c decks.

EDIT2: Yay another 4-0 - Pithing Needle did nothing but it didn't seem horrible this event - still want to replace it once I find time to collect my thoughts

[BlakLanner]

Crypt is good if you need a one-shot removal. One of its weaknesses is that the yard can be refilled fairly easily. Relic removes a card every turn to slow down DRS and Goyf but can pop the whole thing if really needed.

Deck identification is something that takes time and practice. I think watching events like the SCG Opens (recordings given your time zone) will help you identify the common openings to each deck type faster than randomly playing.

The process to sideboarding out Price is pretty simple. 1) Do you have anything you really want to bring in? 2) Are there cards in your deck that are worse? (Searing vs creatureless is a big one). Blood Moon has been seeing more frequent play and that is driving players to find more basics. Price is at its best against Delver, Jund, 12-Post, Lands, and Esper Stone/Deathblade. It is OK against Elves, most versions of Miracles, Sneak and Show (few lands and a lot of basics,
but other cards are worse), Storm (Same thoughts as Sneak and Show), and Death and Taxes. It is dead against High Tide (not played much online) and other Burn decks. It basically boils down to asking yourself "Will they play 2 or more nonbasic lands this game?" If yes, leave it in. If no, cut them.

[magicdownunder]

Cheers Blak, I dislike SCG videos but I think I might have to watch them

Also damn... I misread Crypt - I thought it worked liked Rest in Peace

I actually made a similar mistake vs Batterskull which costs me because I didn't read the card and completely forgot about the return clause... still 2-1 him in the end but it was nasty.

[BlakLanner]

I am talking the event coverage not the Versus series. Knowing what the cards do will just take practice. I have faith that you will improve.

[magicdownunder]

[deck=MDU's Burn]Lands 19
11 Mountain
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn

Spells 29
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Fireblast
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Price of Progress
4 Searing Blaze
1 Forked Bolt

Creatures 12
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer

Sideboard 15
3 Pyroblast
3 Relic of Progenitus
3 Smash to Smithereens
2 Dragon's Claw
2 Ashen Rider
2 Pyrostatic Pillar[/deck]

Notes:
I'm not running Sulfuric Vortex or Ensnaring Bridge because I don't believe they're needed and I think hitting 3 lands can be challenging (even with 20 lands).
I moved the Fork Bolt into the MD over Vexing Devil because I wanted more outs vs Aggro.
I Tossed in 2x Pyrostatic Pillar so that I'll have Eidolon of the Great Revel 5 and 6 for the annoying Storm decks.
I also decided to run 3x Smash since I removed 2x Pithing Needles.

EDIT: I fixed the typo: Pillar
of Fire was meant to be Pyrostatic Pillar (cheers Lazer)

[LaZerBurn]

Pyrostatic Pillar surely?

[BlakLanner]

You deck looks pretty solid, MDU. I will admit to being amused at your Storm hate after where it touched you when you started this format.

[magicdownunder]

You deck looks pretty solid, MDU. I will admit to being amused at your Storm hate after where it touched you when you started this format.

I still hate Storm

I'm currently 3-0 in this DE, I may play against ANT in the finals (for the love of god I hope not).

EDIT: I ended up pairing with the ANT guy he took the split so its another 4-0 (yay I'm on 9 QP).

I've gotten better at identifying decks - though I still use my cheat notes (aka MTGOGOLDFISH) - I can write up a mini-sideboard plan which I'll LOVE for you guys to shred
apart (since some of my choice feel dubious even for me)

[Khaospawn]

How do you split on MTGO?

[BlakLanner]

One player concedes, then the winner trades the extra packs to the loser. It takes a level of trust to do.

[magicdownunder]

How do you split on MTGO?

During DE's if your 3-0 on the finals you can offer 3 boosters - thus the winner gets 8 boosters (11-3) + 3 QP and the loser gets 9 Boosters (6+3) + 1 QP.

In SE if your 2-0 on the finals you offer 1 booster, so you both get 4 boosters each I think its due to my rank and videos most people will split with me but from what I heard this is a rare split.

EDIT: My brag post was discovered by Kait but yeah you can go 4/4 this also works for 2-1 splits in DE's except its def. not worth splinting the DE at this point unless you KNOW you can't win.

One player concedes, then the winner trades the extra packs to the loser. It takes a level of trust to do.

Yep the MTGO community is usually good though, beside verbal/written abuse (which I find amusing) I've only been cheated twice - 1) via someone taking my boosters and then proceeded to play me anyways and 2) being timeout via spam trade request on the old client.

[Kaitscralt]

I've never been cheated and I don't think splits in 8 mans are rare at all but MDU is free to mention his rank and videos...........................

[Khaospawn]

Thanks for the answers, guys.