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Postby Valdarith » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:25 pm

It's not a trigger, just an ability. You hold priority after the token is made to Stoke before the declare attackers step.

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Postby Khaospawn » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:30 pm

Look out, we got a badass rules lawyer here! :scrump:
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Postby Valdarith » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:48 pm

It's useful to know these things for competitive REL events where you need to be exact about these things in case you get paired with "that guy."
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Postby Valdarith » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:49 pm

Playing MTGO REALLY helps with this. Your understanding of turn structure increases dramatically once you start playing online.
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Postby Kaitscralt » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:59 pm

to say the least
Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion.

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:46 pm

Second best part of the tournament: LSV playing RDW.
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Postby Valdarith » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:21 pm

I would too.
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Postby BlakLanner » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:25 pm

All that time and effort to say "Cast everything you can and turn your creatures sideways".
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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:08 pm

My favourite list in PT testing was:

[deck]BG Rock[/deck]
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4 Courser of Kruphix
4 Desecration Demon
4 Pack Rat
3 Scavenging Ooze

Non-creature Spells
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Bile Blight
2 Devour Flesh
1 Duress
1 Golgari Charm
4 Hero's Downfall
4 Thoughtseize
1 Ultimate Price
4 Underworld Connections

Lands
4 Forest
1 Golgari Guildgate
4 Llanowar Wastes
3 Mutavault
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Swamp
4 Temple of Malady
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

Sideboard
1 Bile Blight
2 Doom Blade
2 Drown in Sorrow
2 Duress
2 Erebos, God of the Dead
1 Golgari Charm
3 Mistcutter Hydra
1 Silence the Believers
1 Ultimate Price
[/deck]

Beats up on MBC and Esper. Reasonable game against Burn because of the incremental life gain and because you can keep getting back Courser. Ultimately not good enough because you're
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Postby DerWille » Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:30 pm

I saw the Conley Woods vs Ivan Floch match last night. Ivan's expression was great. It's like you could see him thinking, "The fuck is this?" and then chuckling to himself, "The fuck is this FNM deck at the PT?"

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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:39 pm

Two of my friends are 7-3 at the PT, I hope they can both top 25.
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Postby Valdarith » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:16 pm

This just in: Huey Jensen is good at Magic.
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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:50 am

there's no such thing as esper
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:12 am

I need somebody to constructively talk me out of playing this tomorrow at a Modern tournament:

[deck]Four Color Burn[/deck]


The deck looks focused as anything. But dat manabase...

My other option would be this:

[deck=R/g Burn]
Creature 14
4 Goblin Guide
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
2 Grim Lavamancer
4 Vexing Devil


Burn 26
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Searing Blaze
4 Skullcrack
2 Flames of the Blood Hand
4 Molten Rain

Land 20
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding
Tarn
10 Mountain
2 Stomping Ground

Sideboard 15
4 Searing Blood
4 Destructive Revelry
2 Peak Eruption
2 Cryoclasm
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Guerilla Tactics
[/deck]

I like the less painful manabase and the way it can punish other players' manabases. It just doesn't hit as hard as the other deck.
I trust you guys to give me some solid advice.
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Postby DroppinSuga » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:19 am

Don't play that bullshit
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:21 am

Not good enough. Tell me why.
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Postby DroppinSuga » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:38 am

Because the Suga said so.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:45 am

WHAT!?
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Postby BlakLanner » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:29 am

I won't talk you out of it. I play 3 color burn in Modern.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:43 am

I think I would just lose to any Zoo variant or something like Merfolk. I'm not sure about the Game 1 vs Affinity. Technically, I can bring in all 15 cards against Affinity if I felt like it though.
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Postby BlakLanner » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:45 am

I use 3 SFD in my side to help against Zoo and Merfolk. I am not sure you need the Molten Rains.

[deck=]
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4 Boros Charm
4 Bump in the Night
4 Lava Spike
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
2 Magma Jet
4 Rift Bolt
4 Searing Blaze

Creatures
3 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Goblin Guide
4 Vexing Devil

Lands
4 Arid Mesa
2 Blood Crypt
2 Clifftop Retreat
1 Dragonskull Summit
4 Mountain
2 Sacred Foundry
4 Scalding Tarn

Sideboard
3 Rakdos Charm
2 Torpor Orb
1 Grafdigger's Cage
3 Satyr Firedancer
3 Rain of Gore
3 Hide // Seek
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:02 am

I want the Molten Rain for Tron and other slower decks that rely on their complex manabase.
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Postby BlakLanner » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:05 am

Tron is on the "Wurmcoil on T3/4 or die" plan against us. I suppose it could stop Colonnade or a Foundry to shrink Nacatls. I just think it is too slow for what we want to do. We want the game over T4/5. Any 3 mana spell I cast had better say "you win the game" on it.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:06 am

Besides, I want all of my spells to just be able to do damage. Rakdos Charm is the weird exception in that it can deal damage, but it's usually not brought in to do that specifically. Firedancer can be removed very easily.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:07 am

Tron is on the "Wurmcoil on T3/4 or die" plan against us. I suppose it could stop Colonnade or a Foundry to shrink Nacatls. I just think it is too slow for what we want to do. We want the game over T4/5. Any 3 mana spell I cast had better say "you win the game" on it.
Sometimes it does flat out win you the game when you blow up a key land, lol.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:08 am

I think I'm going to cut 1 Foundry for a 3rd Mountain.
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Postby BlakLanner » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:09 am

That I highly approve of. I like having at least enough for me to search for with both my fetches as well as random Path to Exiles and Ghost Quarters.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:35 am

Blaklanner, what did you think of the R/g version I hid in the spoiler tag?
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Postby BlakLanner » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:41 am

It is simple and straightforward. I do think you lose too much not adding either black or white, though. I would say adding white is better because Helix/Charm since you have Revelry to deal with a lot of nonsense. Not sure about Lavamancer, he didn't make the cut in my list. Too slow.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:46 am

Lavamancer is very good in certain matchups, but lately he's been doing nothing but eat removal. I cut down to 2 copies in my Legacy and "non-greedy" Modern Burn deck. The 4 Color Burn just can't run him for the simple rule of the deck - every card must do immediate damage somehow. While still an excellent card (and I mean the same thing for Vexing Devil), he can be situational.
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Postby BlakLanner » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:55 am

Maybe cut them for a pair of Jets just for some fixing?
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Postby Alex » Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:41 am

Played Affinity to a 3-1-1 finish at an IQ today, split in top 4 and mock-lost (scooped to my opponent so he could have the invite but we played anyway for lulz.) in the finals to Birthing Pod. I always forget that Linvala is 4 mana and not 3, so I kind of got shit on while my opponent was at 2. I had the Galvanic Blast in hand but no red source. Feels bad man, but it didn't count for anything anyway so fuck it.

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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:11 am

If Linvala cost 3 then babies would need to be sacrificed nightly to keep her from winning every game ever
Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion.

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:53 am

I won a 1K today with the BG deck.
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Postby Tyrael » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:16 am

There's a burn deck in the pro tour top 8 :)

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/cove ... /top8decks
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:39 pm

I can't wait to sling some Bolts today.
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Postby Valdarith » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:50 pm

I really like that Jund Walkers list. It's that or Burn for me at the IQ. I love me some red but I also love me some Courser...
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Postby Tyrael » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:54 pm

#TeamCox all the way

seeing what is esentially a white weenie list in the pro tour top 8 is amazing

If he has to face up against burn he's toast though :(
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:13 pm

#allnonburndecksmustdie


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